SherlockJr
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Welcome and glad to meet you Annasunc! The majority of us here believe Anna is alive and will be found. Please feel free to post any suggestions or theories you may think of.
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Dr. Doogie, post #788, thread Anna Christian Waters (Missing 1/16/1973 from Half Moon Bay, CA)
Another interesting bit of info from the Box from Hell (BFH): Waters developed a fascination in 1969 with the suicide method of Nazi war criminals - in particular, the exact dosage of cyanide that Rommel and Georring used to off themselves. He even went so far as to write the German Consulate and the widow of Gen. Rommel for the info.
Annasunc said:3) Anna was unconscious at the time of her abduction. While I once would have considered the use of medical means (something inhalable or injectable) to accomplish this as something that would most likely occur in a novel or movie, the insight into GW's personality provided by Annasmom indicates to me that he was a person with the knowledge and means to accomplish that if he so desired, or to provide others with the means. The revelation about his attempts to contact the German Consulate and widow of Gen. Rommel shows a highly functioning professional with clinical detachment, and for that reason I found it extremely chilling to read.
FWIW. :twocents:
SherlockJr said:Welcome and glad to meet you Annasunc! The majority of us here believe Anna is alive and will be found. Please feel free to post any suggestions or theories you may think of.
mysteriew said:That is a great point and one I had not considered. If a stranger were to find Anna near the road, they could possibly inject her with something or use chloroform to quickly induce unconciousness, and that could explain why she didn't raise an outcry and why there wasn't any sign of a struggle. As a doctor, GW did have ready acccess to the drugs.
Annasunc said:I was reluctant to post this speculation because it seemed something more likely to appear as a convenient plot twist in a Lifetime made-for-TV movie than in real life. I decided it might be a bigger mistake to underestimate a capabilities of a delusional paranoid-schizophrenic who had earned degrees at two different Ivy League universities.
mysteriew said:... all theories and suggestions get posted- from the mundane to the very out there ones. We look at any and all possibilities ....
Annasmom has not submitted a sample yet, because there never has been a specific unidentified that they thought was Anna. If there is a mechanism to automatically check against all UID's, then definitely we should explore that. It is also possible that Anna's DNA could turn up in a criminal case where a match could be made.mysteriew said:The FBI has a DNA database for missing persons. And if a direct DNA sample is not available, they will take DNA from relatives. That database is what is used in making matches to unidentifieds. I don't know if it crosses over to any other database, but I know they use it on unidentifieds. If Annasmom hasn't submitted a sample, she should get in touch with NCMEC and ask how to go about submitting one.
Annasmom is unavailable for about one more week, but I believe that the cast was made in kindergarten as an art project in 1972.mysteriew said:Annasmom, how did they make the plaster cast of Annashand?
Dr. Doogie said:Annasmom has not submitted a sample yet, because there never has been a specific unidentified that they thought was Anna. If there is a mechanism to automatically check against all UID's, then definitely we should explore that. It is also possible that Anna's DNA could turn up in a criminal case where a match could be made.
Annasmom is unavailable for about one more week, but I believe that the cast was made in kindergarten as an art project in 1972.
I am glad that you made this point, Annasunc. As "stupid" as the relationship between Waters and Brody appears to outsiders, it is easy to assume that Waters was not intelligent. This would be a horrible mistake - he was most likely a genius who was vulnerable due to his illness. His psychosis advanced quickly after he met Brody, but just a few short years earlier, he was earning advanced degrees from the best universities on the planet. No, he was one smart cookie and capable of some extremely clever manuevers.Annasunc said:...I decided it might be a bigger mistake to underestimate the capabilities of a delusional paranoid-schizophrenic who had earned degrees at two different Ivy League universities.
Dr. Doogie said:I believe that what we have is just the imprint of her hand in plaster or clay. Annasmom can clarify this when she returns.
As far as I can tell, the kindergarten teacher just put plaster of Paris in a small piepan and the children put their hands directly into the plaster when it was beginning to harden. I also have an ash tray Anna made from clay which has little fingerprints all over it. The top is glazed, but the bottom is not. I think someone who knew what he was doing could probably get something from this, though of course most of the fingerprints are smeared.mysteriew said:The FBI has a DNA database for missing persons. And if a direct DNA sample is not available, they will take DNA from relatives. That database is what is used in making matches to unidentifieds. I don't know if it crosses over to any other database, but I know they use it on unidentifieds. If Annasmom hasn't submitted a sample, she should get in touch with NCMEC and ask how to go about submitting one.
Annasmom, how did they make the plaster cast of Annashand?
Hi! We got back late yesterday, and trying to catch up on the forum reminded me of the ash tray (I just mentioned it in another post) which probably has better partial fingerprints than the plaster cast. It made me feel good that all of you have still been sleuthing while I was gone.Dr. Doogie said:I believe that what we have is just the imprint of her hand in plaster or clay. Annasmom can clarify this when she returns.
What a lovely surprise, trying to catch up on everything written since June 14, to read these posts from my little brother. Isn't this forum amazing?Annasunc said:I am Annasmom's youngest brother, Dan. I was a college senior at the time of Anna's disappearance, living in married students' housing with my son and then wife about two thousand miles away (my son is three years younger than his cousin Anna). Because of the distance involved, the great amount of uncertainty surrounding the case and my reluctance to intrude on my sister's grief, there is a lot I am finding out here for the first time. I want to thank the members of this forum for the interest and involvement they've shown to the case and the comfort and love they've shown my sister.
I'll go take a closer look. I have the handprint all wrapped up in bubble wrap.hoping4truth said:I don't post much here but I read every day. You guys are awesome!
I wanted to tell you all I made a handprint when I was in Kindergarten.
We used a type of dough, similar to what you would use to make playdough, and we put our hands directly on it. We put a hole in the top with a pencil, and put string through the hole. It dried over the weekend, I think. Anyway, I remember every ridge coming out. I remember asking my teacher why we had fingerprints. It wasn't really a cast, persay (that would be expensive, I would think) but a handprint in salted dough.
Maybe a similar type of material was used for Anna's handprint - it's very cost effective.
Good Luck!
The article says that they plan to start using it this fall, but I am pretty sure that they have been using it on a limited basis before now. And in the article it does talk about the fact that they have made a "handful" of matches so far. But they have now developed a new type of DNA computer search plan which is supposed to make it better."We need to broaden our capability," said Thomas Callaghan, director of the FBI's national DNA database program. He said the FBI is in "a very good position" to identify remains through family members because of the agency's small but growing database of missing persons and unidentified remains, plus its experience in using computers to match DNA.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-05-30-dna-database_x.htm