Is Casey the real Zenaida?

[JWG]

Taking Bond's text listing:

6/16/08 MON 12:20:53 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697724
6/16/08 MON 12:40:22 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697720
6/16/08 MON 11:43:12 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697722
6/16/08 MON 11:52:51 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697722
6/16/08 MON 3:23:30 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697724
6/16/08 MON 3:35:05 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697722
6/16/08 MON 3:39:59 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697723

Factoring in the source of the text alerts (last six digits listed):

- Friend Requests 697720
- Blog Comments 697721
- Profile Comments 697722
- Image Comments 697723
- New Messages 697724
- Event Invites 697725

And presto:

6/16/08 MON 12:20:53 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert New Messages
6/16/08 MON 12:40:22 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Friend Requests
6/16/08 MON 11:31:00 AM "zenaida" makes her last profile update
6/16/08 MON 11:43:12 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Profile Comments
6/16/08 MON 11:52:51 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Profile Comments
6/16/08 MON 3:23:30 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert New Messages
6/16/08 MON 3:35:05 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Profile Comments
6/16/08 MON 3:39:59 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Image Comments

Methinks the activity is on KC's myspace, not the "zenaida", but it likely reflects activity between KC and the "zenaida"?

 

[BondJamesBond]

Taking Bond's text listing:

6/16/08 MON 12:20:53 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697724
6/16/08 MON 12:40:22 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697720
6/16/08 MON 11:43:12 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697722
6/16/08 MON 11:52:51 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697722
6/16/08 MON 3:23:30 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697724
6/16/08 MON 3:35:05 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697722
6/16/08 MON 3:39:59 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697723

Factoring in the source of the text alerts (last six digits listed):

- Friend Requests 697720
- Blog Comments 697721
- Profile Comments 697722
- Image Comments 697723
- New Messages 697724
- Event Invites 697725

And presto:

6/16/08 MON 12:20:53 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert New Messages
6/16/08 MON 12:40:22 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Friend Requests
6/16/08 MON 11:31:00 AM "zenaida" makes her last profile update
6/16/08 MON 11:43:12 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Profile Comments
6/16/08 MON 11:52:51 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Profile Comments
6/16/08 MON 3:23:30 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert New Messages
6/16/08 MON 3:35:05 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Profile Comments
6/16/08 MON 3:39:59 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Image Comments

Methinks the activity is on KC's myspace, not the "zenaida", but it likely reflects activity between KC and the "zenaida"?

Hmmmmmm...:waitasec: Soooo, if I follow...you're suggesting

11:30AMish Eastern Casey sets up Zenaida's MS, then, as-Zenaida she makes profile comments on her as-Casey MS resulting in the 11:43AM & perhaps subsequent RSS's to Casey's cell phone?

 

[BondJamesBond]

Here is what you get after adding "zenaida" as a friend:

View attachment 4868

OK...can't resist the opportunity to comment on the "Motive" field having been left blank :doh:

 

[OneLostGrl]

I believe I've established the latest possible time for the creation of the zenaida myspace

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=389838213

Note that the myspace assigned userid number is 389838213. These numbers are assigned sequentially. First point is this establishes without a doubt that the myspace was created on June 16, 2008. So we can set aside that the creation date may be hacked in some manner. The assigned userid number can't be, and that number is deep in the middle of June 16 sign-ups.

So in order to try to determine the earliest possible time I started marching forward in time for myspace members who signed up on June 16 after this page was made (i.e. they have higher userid numbers). And then I looked at whether there was a blog entry on the 16th or a comment by a friend on the 16th. Here is what I have (I won't link the myspace pages because it might be against board rules, I'll just give the userid and let you verify for yourself):

406362084 - signed up on 16th and made a blog entry at 1:31 pm. Member is in Nevada. This would be 4:31 pm in Orlando.

389838234 - signed up on 16th and had a friend comment at 2:16 pm. Member is in Texas. This would be 3:16 pm in Orlando.

389838264 - signed up on 16th and had a friend comment at 4:10 pm. Member is in Poland. This would be 10:10 am in Orlando.

The zenaida myspace was created prior to 10:10 am June 16th. If this is KC (which I can't imagine how it couldn't be), this is premeditation.

I am impressed with the hard work you have put into this. thank you!

 

[Intermezzo]

OK...can't resist the opportunity to comment on the "Motive" field having been left blank :doh:

Oh My.

 

[Valhall]

I saved this Zenaida myspace as a favorite and it shows the profile last updated 6/16/2008 at 11:31:00 AM. Don't know if that's Eastern time or what.

Also, IIRC from setting up my own page many moons ago, until your e-mail address is verified, you are unable to add friends or do much more than the basic set up of your page, and because deleting the account would require a validation e-mail, you can't delete your page without verifying your e-mail address. I was thinking that maybe KC set this page up using a bogus e-mail and her log in on 10/14 was an attempt to delete it.

Son-of-a-*****! I've had the damned thing saved as a favorite for practically 9 months and I never thought to look at this!

Where do you live? I'm going to come kiss you too!

 

[Valhall]

Here is what you get after adding "zenaida" as a friend:

View attachment 4868

OH! Now, I understand. That's why I was wondering why I couldn't see the time. He means saving as a favorite in myspace. I had not ever even known I could save pages as favorites in myspace!

woohoo!

BUSTED!!!!!

 

[AZlawyer]

Taking Bond's text listing:

6/16/08 MON 12:20:53 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697724
6/16/08 MON 12:40:22 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697720
6/16/08 MON 11:43:12 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697722
6/16/08 MON 11:52:51 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697722
6/16/08 MON 3:23:30 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697724
6/16/08 MON 3:35:05 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697722
6/16/08 MON 3:39:59 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697723

Factoring in the source of the text alerts (last six digits listed):

- Friend Requests 697720
- Blog Comments 697721
- Profile Comments 697722
- Image Comments 697723
- New Messages 697724
- Event Invites 697725

And presto:

6/16/08 MON 12:20:53 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert New Messages
6/16/08 MON 12:40:22 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Friend Requests
6/16/08 MON 11:31:00 AM "zenaida" makes her last profile update
6/16/08 MON 11:43:12 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Profile Comments
6/16/08 MON 11:52:51 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Profile Comments
6/16/08 MON 3:23:30 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert New Messages
6/16/08 MON 3:35:05 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Profile Comments
6/16/08 MON 3:39:59 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Image Comments

Methinks the activity is on KC's myspace, not the "zenaida", but it likely reflects activity between KC and the "zenaida"?

But remember BJB figured out that all these times are 3 hours "late."

Unless something changed since then--who can keep track? Bond? Are we still working with time stamps that are 3 hours off?

If the "last update" time is Orlando time, the page was completed 11:30 am. If KC created this page (and I sure hope LE can prove it), this is great evidence of premeditation. Now personally, I think George had 6/16 mixed up with 6/13, 6/9 or some other day, but as the prosecutor, armed with this Myspace info, I would do everything I could to convince the jury George was RIGHT about the morning of 6/16...because that would mean KC created this page an hour and a half before Caylee was last seen alive and happy.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Hmmmmm...:waitasec: Just thinkin' out loud on the first-outta-the-box-Tom friendship.

In a room full of 100 people there are 99 that know more than me 'bout MS, but, I'd ask the other 99 if the sequence goes somethin' like...

1) MS activity involving initial account set-up, followed by
2) email verification acknowledgement validating the account
3) Tom befriending, followed by
d) Ability to refine MS settings that would include things like RSS feeds to one's cell phone

Bringing this up to suggest IF it the above sequence were true...the Tom-friending transaction might've happened before the RSS set-up, hence, no RSS notification for that one IYKWIM.

OK...time for somebody that knows whatthehellthey'retalkin' 'bout to step in here.

You are correct. You can't do anything until you verify.. verifying adds Tom as your friend and allows you to set up how you are notified of new comments/messages.

 

[Valhall]

Guys...with this uber-bombshell toenail just dropped on us...and on the assumption this is KC (which logic flies by laughing in the face of the thought it not being)...

this is premeditation. EVEN IF GEORGE'S STORY IS CORRECT!

There's no getting around a prefacing act to set up a kidnapper before she left that house - whether she left at 12:50 or 5 pm.

 

[Valhall]

Question:

It is showing up 11:31 am for all of us...regardless of our time zones.

So...what's myspace server timezone?

 

[JWG]

Question:

It is showing up 11:31 am for all of us...regardless of our time zones.

So...what's myspace server timezone?

Quite likely this is the time zone for the person who made the update, otherwise it is myspace server time which I believe is PST. In that case the last update would be 2:31 PM EST.

 

[BondJamesBond]

But remember BJB figured out that all these times are 3 hours "late."

Unless something changed since then--who can keep track? Bond? Are we still working with time stamps that are 3 hours off?

If the "last update" time is Orlando time, the page was completed 11:30 am. If KC created this page (and I sure hope LE can prove it), this is great evidence of premeditation. Now personally, I think George had 6/16 mixed up with 6/13, 6/9 or some other day, but as the prosecutor, armed with this Myspace info, I would do everything I could to convince the jury George was RIGHT about the morning of 6/16...because that would mean KC created this page an hour and a half before Caylee was last seen alive and happy.

Thanks, AZ. Lemme 'splain...for anyone following along @ home 'the Rosetta Stone' so-to-speak

We have Casey's cell records of 7/4. Released docs.
We have a screenshot of Casey's MS messages that include 7/4. Released docs. pg 2679

Casey's cell records show 2 MySpace Alerts on 7/4:

7/4/08 FRI 3:06:21 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697722
7/4/08 FRI 8:26:51 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697722​

Casey's MS messages show 2 MySpace Messages on 7/4:

7/4/08 12:06PM From Mr. & Mrs. Graff, "ya for now"
7/4/08 5:27PM From Marky Mark, "happy 4th of july hope your having fun i am knowing that i can live longer lol" (saving irony of THAT remark for later)​

BTW...screenshots are from an OCSO computer, hence, timezone = Eastern.

So....what you get is a 3 hr difference when you compare the timestamp MS page attributes the comment vs. when Casey's cell log reflects it. That suggests that a cell alert attributed to a MySpace set up @ 11:31AM Eastern would start showing up AFTER 2:31PM Eastern if you are looking @ Casey's cell log for tracks (e.g. activity on Casey's MS resulting from Casey-as-Zenaida). Confused? I hope so :crazy:

 

[Valhall]

Quite likely this is the time zone for the person who made the update, otherwise it is myspace server time which I believe is PST. In that case the last update would be 2:31 PM EST.

We need to answer this.

I'm going to send you a PM with a link to my myspace that I have just updated. Please add me as your favorite and then come back here and post what time my profile was last updated.

 

[BondJamesBond]

*snipped*

[/COLOR]6/16/08 MON 12:20:53 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert New Messages
6/16/08 MON 12:40:22 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Friend Requests
6/16/08 MON 11:31:00 AM "zenaida" makes her last profile update
6/16/08 MON 11:43:12 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Profile Comments
6/16/08 MON 11:52:51 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Profile Comments
6/16/08 MON 3:23:30 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert New Messages
6/16/08 MON 3:35:05 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Profile Comments
6/16/08 MON 3:39:59 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert Image Comments

Methinks the activity is on KC's myspace, not the "zenaida", but it likely reflects activity between KC and the "zenaida"?

B&ColorBM. So...if (big IF) the timeshift holds true for 6/16 the bold & red items would be potential Casey-as-Zenaida-on-MS candidates to consider with the real-time Casey-as-Zenaida activity occurring:

• 12:23PM
• 12:35PM
• 12:39PM

Now...we can go look @ Casey's cell activity to see if anything conflicts w/ her during this timeframe and we find:

...a 61-minute-long period of NO ACTIVITY on her cell. (note...if we keep w/ the 3hr time difference it would just be coincidental that the 11:52 bookend that begins this period is a MS alert that we'd attribute to 8:52AM activity WHICH BTW would have been 6 minutes AFTER Casey's first-text-o-the-day to Tony @ 8:46AM. Plausible methinks. :waitasec:

Bookend cell log activity to consider:

6/16/08 MON 11:52:51 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697722 Casey Anthony
[*]12:23PM
[*]12:35PM
[*]12:39PM
6/16/08 MON 12:53:31 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Anthony Lazzaro​

Last thing to check would be the Encase report to see if it supports activity during these times. This is where the house of cards usually comes'a-tumblin' down for me...

 

[Intermezzo]

Question:

It is showing up 11:31 am for all of us...regardless of our time zones.

So...what's myspace server timezone?

It does for me in Florida.

I just found this website about MSpace Date, Time and Timezone Formats
maybe it will help.

http://wiki.developer.myspace.com/index.php?title=Date,_Time_and_Timezone_Formats

MySpace uses a default value of timeZone=-8. Thus, the currently default time zone is United States Pacific Standard Time. This zone definition is based on the Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) standard (aka Zulu time), where the GMT zone = 0.


UPDATE

I was searching and on some websites where people ask about the MS timezone here are 2 replies

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4107572&posted=1#post4107572

"It uses your time zone. When you sign up the ask you to chose your time zone and they go by that".
"You can also change the timezone whenever you like in Account Settings. Hope this helps."

 

[Valhall]

*snipped*


B&ColorBM. So...if (big IF) the timeshift holds true for 6/16 the bold & blue items would be potential Casey-as-Zenaida-on-MS candidates to consider with the real-time Casey-as-Zenaida activity occurring:

12:23PM
12:35PM
12:39PM

Now...we can go look @ Casey's cell activity to see if anything conflicts w/ her during this timeframe and we find:

...a 61-minute-long period of NO ACTIVITY on her cell. (note...if we keep w/ the 3hr time difference it would just be coincidental that the 11:52 bookend that begins this period is a MS alert that we'd attribute to 8:52AM activity WHICH BTW would have been 6 minutes AFTER Casey's first-text-o-the-day to Tony @ 8:46AM. Plausible methinks. :waitasec:

6/16/08 MON 11:52:51 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Alert 1697722 Casey Anthony
6/16/08 MON 12:53:31 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Anthony Lazzaro

Last thing to check would be the Encase report to see if it supports activity during these times. This is where the house of cards usually comes'a-tumblin' down for me...

Encase activity times on desktop for 06/16 are:

7-9 am
10-noon
1-3 pm

 

[Intermezzo]

Not sure if this helps, I may be waaaayyy off.


http://wiki.developer.myspace.com/index.php?title=Date,_Time_and_Timezone_Formats

MySpace API Call with dateTime Format - Example

In this example, the call specifies dateTime and timeZone formats that follow the ISO 8601 spec and sets the timezone to 7. In the response, the exact date and time of a mood update made anywhere in the world is expressed in a format that allows accurate comparisons, is human readable, and provides a timeZone location reference.

dateFormat=iso8601&timeZone=7

http://api.myspace.com/v1/users/205...tamp=1242094798&oauth_version=1.0&status=This is a test post from my MySpaceID Sample App

{
"mood" : "(none)",
"moodId" : 0,
"moodImageUrl" : null,
"moodLastUpdated" : "2009-05-12T09:27:45",
"status" : "Off to two private parties now. Tummy feeling a little better",
"user" : {
"image" : "http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/8/s_25584f6c3a1955df11b24bf146ea2dff.jpg",
"largeImage" : "http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/8/l_25584f6c3a1955df11b24bf146ea2dff.jpg",
"name" : "Donny Mack (DM)",
"uri" : "http://api.myspace.com/v1/users/20599042",
"userId" : 20599042,
"userType" : "RegularUser",
"webUri" : "http://www.myspace.com/dotnetdon"
}

 

[Valhall]

It does for me in Florida.

I just found this website about MSpace Date, Time and Timezone Formats
maybe it will help.

http://wiki.developer.myspace.com/index.php?title=Date,_Time_and_Timezone_Formats

MySpace uses a default value of timeZone=-8. Thus, the currently default time zone is United States Pacific Standard Time. This zone definition is based on the Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) standard (aka Zulu time), where the GMT zone = 0.


UPDATE

I was searching and on some websites where people ask about the MS timezone here are 2 replies

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4107572&posted=1#post4107572

"It uses your time zone. When you sign up the ask you to chose your time zone and they go by that".
"You can also change the timezone whenever you like in Account Settings. Hope this helps."

Thank you very much! Since it is showing the same for us even though we are in different timezones, it must be going to the default of GMT-8. That would shift the last update to 2:31 pm Orlando time. Now we know the page had to be created before then because of the Nevada myspace member who created his page after the Zenaida page and then entered a blog entry at 2:31 pm Orlando time. If this 2:31 pm "last update" time does apply, it could be when she uploaded the Dora picture, entered a blog, or changed the profile....maybe even created a blog. Because remember, a blog entry could have been deleted on 10/14/08 and it would not have updated the "last update" field.

 

[JWG]

Hmmmmmm...:waitasec: Soooo, if I follow...you're suggesting

11:30AMish Eastern Casey sets up Zenaida's MS, then, as-Zenaida she makes profile comments on her as-Casey MS resulting in the 11:43AM & perhaps subsequent RSS's to Casey's cell phone?

OK...some things getting a little strange. :nerves:

First, to answer Bond: I hold the possibility that the 12:42 AM friend request is coming from "zenaida".

However, given that the "zenaida" page friend ID is almost half way between what I found as the new members of June 16, 2008 (range 389715668 to 389972021), this seems unlikely. After all, I doubt 125,000 members signed up in the wee hours of the morning before KC created "zenaida". :waitasec:

Well, I suppose Europe and Asia members could be responsible for those 125,000 sign-ups, right? Testing that hypothesis, I looked at the first ID from June 18, 2008. Damn...Illinois!!!! :doh:

I decided to add the lucky user to my favorites. I see the profile was last updated 6/15/2008 9:30:00 PM. 6/15!!!??? WTF!!!??? :waitasec:

Oh wait...that is PST, right? That would be...11:30 PM 6/15 in Illinois. Still not working for me. :bang:

I think we still have a slight problem with the whole myspace time stamp issue. Regardless, we are talking a few hours here, a few hours there. She is still nailed. :thumb: