Jaycee's Bio dad

[jazerelle]

Yes I saw the other day he was hoping for a card. Said some bs about missing 29 previous cards. DUHHHH it would be 30. He doesn't even know her age although it was in the news. And I am betting he did not send her a birthday card. Easy enough to do by sending in care of her attorney.

 

[Jenni979]

So, old Ken manages to say that YES, he knew that Jaycee's mom was pregnant within a month of their trist... Then he says YES he knew, a year later, that she had given birth... But, somehow he NEVER knew that there was any possible way that he had a daughter until the FBI rolled up to his house??? WHICH IS IT?!?!?

Now, here is my question: If paternity is proven could Jaycee's mother sue Ken for past child support (not that she would even want to)? Perhaps if Ken knew he would be liable to pay tens of thousands in past support he would back off.

...and EVEN IF paternity is proven, what could that possibly change? At 30 years old Jaycee has the choice of who she wants in her life and who she wants nothing to do with. It's not like a judge could order her to have a relationship with him... And I looked up grandparents' rights and, from what I read, they only apply if the child has already had a significant relationship with the grandparent, BEFORE they became seperated.

 

[songline]

So, old Ken manages to say that YES, he knew that Jaycee's mom was pregnant within a month of their trist... Then he says YES he knew, a year later, that she had given birth... But, somehow he NEVER knew that there was any possible way that he had a daughter until the FBI rolled up to his house??? WHICH IS IT?!?!?

Now, here is my question: If paternity is proven could Jaycee's mother sue Ken for past child support (not that she would even want to)? Perhaps if Ken knew he would be liable to pay tens of thousands in past support he would back off.

...and EVEN IF paternity is proven, what could that possibly change? At 30 years old Jaycee has the choice of who she wants in her life and who she wants nothing to do with. It's not like a judge could order her to have a relationship with him... And I looked up grandparents' rights and, from what I read, they only apply if the child has already had a significant relationship with the grandparent, BEFORE they became seperated.

RIGHT...
Enough to make me puke.

 

[Openmind]

This is from the Radar article.

The first time I knew there was a possibility that I had a daughter was when the FBI told me that she had been kidnapped.

Did he do anything when he heard this news? Did he contact Terry? Did he join the search for Jaycee? A lot of people that didn't even know Jaycee did but not the man identified as her father. They spent their time and money trying to find her. But not him -- I guess he put that information where he put the other the "rumors" he had a child. (He was sure not curious enough to look up Terry and find out for sure?) He put it all out of his mind. But now he his incensed his reputation is being sullied by Jaycee's family. Cry me a river. I had hoped he had the good sense and good graces to move back and let events take their natural course. His comments this time around are even more self serving and selfish. I guess Ken feels he is the only one entitled to an opinion on this.

 

[Pondering Mind]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$..imo..:furious:..:sick:..

 

[Pondering Mind]

So, old Ken manages to say that YES, he knew that Jaycee's mom was pregnant within a month of their trist... Then he says YES he knew, a year later, that she had given birth... But, somehow he NEVER knew that there was any possible way that he had a daughter until the FBI rolled up to his house??? WHICH IS IT?!?!?

Now, here is my question: If paternity is proven could Jaycee's mother sue Ken for past child support (not that she would even want to)? Perhaps if Ken knew he would be liable to pay tens of thousands in past support he would back off.

...and EVEN IF paternity is proven, what could that possibly change? At 30 years old Jaycee has the choice of who she wants in her life and who she wants nothing to do with. It's not like a judge could order her to have a relationship with him... And I looked up grandparents' rights and, from what I read, they only apply if the child has already had a significant relationship with the grandparent, BEFORE they became seperated.

bbm~

Yes, he knew..he says so in his own words..so my question is~WHY didn't he look for them if she was SO important to him? I feel sure IF he had, he would have made that clear..being such the concerned father and all.. :furious:

snipped from article from link @ ROL http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...p-survivor-daughter-jaycee-dugard-fathers-day
which btw for anyone that doesn't know PAYS for a story. (no surprise there :furious

Slayton insists that nothing could be further from the truth. He says he and Probyn had a brief affair at a campsite in 1979, and Susan did tell him she was pregnant. But they lost contact immediately after. A year later a mutual friend told Slayton that Probyn had given birth to a daughter but didn't want to see Ken or for him to know where she was. It was only after Jaycee was kidnapped and the FBI came to his door, Slayton says, that he knew about Jaycee and where she lived.



IMO, this may be an all time low for Ms. Allred..

 

[Jenni979]

The thing is, paternity is not at question - Jaycee's mother has stipulated publicly that he is the father, and there is no legal issue that I am aware of to be settled. I cannot see where any court would even get involved in this - I don't know what cause of action could be asserted, nor what remedy could be asked. Jaycee is an adult, Ken is her father. What's to be settled?

As far as support, my understanding is that in California the action for it has to be brought while the child is still a minor. Since Jaycee's mom never asked for support, and Jaycee is no longer a minor, there is no basis on which to seek support.

Besides, what Ken is doing now is morally wrong, and does not need a money solution. It needs a moral solution - if he truly cares about the well-being of his daughter he should put her feelings ahead of his. It's what I do with my kids (and wife) every day of my life, it's not hard and it's not complicated.

Ken has stated, via his attorney that they are seeking DNA proof that he is the father...

I didn't say that the mother should, or would go after past support from the time that Jaycee was a minor in her care... I was just wondering if, strictly legally, she might have a claim, should she want to take it that far.

It was not that I think that Jaycee's mother needed or wanted the $$$, but it seems to me that Ken is doing what he is doing STRICTLY in the hopes of monetary gain...

Now, if there was ANY possible way that by going through with the DNA tests and his pathetic attempts to barge into her life, it might hit Ken directly in the wallet... Well, I think that he would give up and leave poor Jaycee alone.

I'm not sure if I explained that well... Did it make ANY sense?

I just think that if someone told Kenny-boy "Yes, you can have Jaycee's DNA compelled to prove that you are biologically her father, but if you do you will open yourself up to having to pay for 18 years of back child support..." He would back off with quickness...

Ken, surely, doesn't seem to have the morals needed to realize that what he is doing is just plain WRONG... So, here is to hoping that thre is some way to hit him where it REALLY hurts him, his wallet.

Like, could Jaycee sue him for willful infliction of emotional distress, or the like?

 

[Jenni979]

Does Miss Gloria take a lot of cases on pro bono? I can see her taking a percentage of what she gets (in terms of settlements) from her other clients, like that Tiger mistress... But, what could she be getting from Ken?

Surely there is NO way he has the $$$ it would take to keep her as his attorney...

...and if she is doing it pro bono, I can't imagine why... She has to see the backlash...

 

[songline]

The thing is, paternity is not at question - Jaycee's mother has stipulated publicly that he is the father, and there is no legal issue that I am aware of to be settled. I cannot see where any court would even get involved in this - I don't know what cause of action could be asserted, nor what remedy could be asked. Jaycee is an adult, Ken is her father. What's to be settled?

As far as support, my understanding is that in California the action for it has to be brought while the child is still a minor. Since Jaycee's mom never asked for support, and Jaycee is no longer a minor, there is no basis on which to seek support.

Besides, what Ken is doing now is morally wrong, and does not need a money solution. It needs a moral solution - if he truly cares about the well-being of his daughter he should put her feelings ahead of his. It's what I do with my kids (and wife) every day of my life, it's not hard and it's not complicated.

ITA there is not question that he is the father and that JC is a young woman now who has a right to refuse to see him. And she has
But you are a consciouses good person, You are a father and you love your kids, have bond with them, you caring for strangers kids, sure would definitely do the right thing for your own. HAPPY FATHERS DAY hope you had fun today.

He does not give a chit - he never did give a chit. it is a photo opt. He is using up his 15 minutes because those minutes may be worth more then he is.
It says a lot about a person doesn't it? I find him appalling.

 

[songline]

Does Miss Gloria take a lot of cases on pro bono? I can see her taking a percentage of what she gets (in terms of settlements) from her other clients, like that Tiger mistress... But, what could she be getting from Ken?

Surely there is NO way he has the $$$ it would take to keep her as his attorney...

...and if she is doing it pro bono, I can't imagine why... She has to see the backlash...

Media *advertiser censored*'s dont always get paid by their clients. being visible in media time is worth a lot of money.
Being this case is an international case she gets a lot of Media Time.

I am starting to wonder if her reputation is not going to harm her clients far more then it will
do good for them. Her reputation now has hit the bottom. JMO
I dont know if JC can sue her bio whatever he is other then just a seed.
but I believe she can keep him at bay legaly which would include the court room case. just saying.
it is time for him to go away he was not invited to her life now. .
I hope she does that.

 

[Openmind]

If this has already been mentioned, I'm sorry, but this might be a reason for this new push...

Slayton, a father to four other kids he helped raise, recently filed a court petition to establish paternity. Attorney Gloria Allred said Slayton needs the court determination to ensure a seat at the trial of her captor, Phillip Garrido.

That would certainly put him in a good postiton to do daily reports for some media service(s) and Allred could/would broker all his "deals."

It mentions he has cancer but nothing more than that. I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone, and I am sorry if he truly does, but I suspect it is a sympathy play.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...lationship_with_kidnap_vic.html#ixzz0rVIeruGy

 

[i.b.nora]

Openmind, I think you are right about the idea that it will give him access to the trial. BUT, more importantly, it will give Gloria Allred access to the trial because 'he wouldn't want to attend without his lawyer'.

And, incidentally to all that, I am sure it is about book and movie deals.

Similar to this, I am reminded of Gloria's involvement in the Scott Dyleski trial, where she represented his so called girlfriend, Jenna. As I recall, she was involved in either trying to get some things gagged, or some things ungagged. I don't know that any 'deal' arose from that case for her. I guess you win some, lose some. And, that case was different, in that the girlfriend did dispose of or help dispose of some evidence so she really did need a lawyer.

Nevertheless, in the high profile cases, Gloria is seldom there out of the sheer goodness of her heart. And, maybe thats okay.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

One good thing: Many of Gloria's clients end up doing spreads in Playboy in a pathetic attempt to extend their fifteen minutes of fame. At least we won't see Slayton appearing there. (I hope.) :sick:

 

[jazerelle]

Slayton and his attorney are both dissing Terry in all of this. They are making her out as some sort of villian. It is no wonder Jaycee would not want to give him the time of day. The interviews sort of gloss over the fact that Terry did in fact tell him she was pregnant and that he basically told her to get lost. Inferring that she was some sort of *advertiser censored* (aka not sure the baby was his). I am sure that conversation was far from civil and he probably called her all sorts of name (which was the norm in the 1980's). And now he is acting all wounded. What a scum bag.

 

[Natal]

Well, anyone can sue anyone for anything, how far they can get with it is another matter.

Retaining Gloria is the biggest black mark in my book. People retain attorneys for a variety of reasons, one of which is to force someone else to do something that person does not want to do but is legally obligated to do. I can't think of any other reason for Ken to have Gloria - he's not been accused of any crime or anything. He's got something he wants from Jaycee, he's not saying exactly what it is, and we wants Gloria to find a way to make Jaycee give it to him against her will. It's that simple.

Now we can conjecture that if we were Jaycee we would give it to him. But that's pointless. Just as pointless is to bring up what other people have done in similar situations. All that matters here is what Jaycee's desires are.

Now if Ken really did care about Jaycee, he would want her to be happy and clearly nobody is happy when then have an opponent with a lawyer doing press conferences containing demands and veiled threats. So we can conclude that Jaycee's happiness - in Ken's world - can be sacrificed for Ken's happiness.

That's not love, at least in my world. In my world when I say I love my wife and my kids it means that their happiness is more important to me than my own.

Back to the subject, I am not aware of ANYTHING Ken can force Jaycee to do, but he's got the attorney to try whatever she can to keep herself in front of the cameras.

You are missing the point of why it is so important to him now. He is 64 and according to this report he has cancer. So this is pretty much the last chance he has to meet her, there isn't time to wait around until she is "ready". If he wants it to happen, he has to pursue it because no one else is going to, and he needs to do it now.

As far as Jaycee knows he wasn't "interested" in her. And how would she know this? It wasn't from personal experience, obviously someone must have told her that and it shouldn't be a big surprise who that person would be. If you think there is some other way for her to have reached this conclusion, please enlighten us, otherwise the obvious answer would have to prevail.

I don't think Ken has some hidden sinister agenda, he is just out of time and he knows that all the information Jaycee is getting about him is going to be distorted. If he wants her to know that he cares the only way to do that is to be very public about it and hope that someday she discovers that herself, because her maternal family certainly isnt going to tell her. If he just keeps his peace and quietly dies like you all want him to she will never know how he feels. This way there is no doubt.

You are right, he can't force Jaycee to do anything. But on the other hand she is never going to be able to say she didn't know either because it is all out in public.

 

[Grumpy]

"As far as Jaycee knows he wasn't "interested" in her. And how would she know this? It wasn't from personal experience, obviously someone must have told her that and it shouldn't be a big surprise who that person would be. If you think there is some other way for her to have reached this conclusion, please enlighten us, otherwise the obvious answer would have to prevail."


Jaycee could watch Slayton's 2 press conferences. They're both available on youtube.com. He was a 35 year old man with 2 children who had a brief affair with a 21 year old girl. She told him she was pregnant. It is not hard to guess how that conversation went. I'm guessing he told her to get an abortion which is why he says he didn't know she actually had Jaycee until some friend told him. He "says" Terry didn't want him in her life. I don't blame her, he's a loser. Maybe it only took her a month to figure that out, but he had an obligation to Jaycee and he should have pressed for paternity THEN not now.

 

[kbl8201]

Slayton and his attorney are both dissing Terry in all of this. They are making her out as some sort of villian. It is no wonder Jaycee would not want to give him the time of day. The interviews sort of gloss over the fact that Terry did in fact tell him she was pregnant and that he basically told her to get lost. Inferring that she was some sort of *advertiser censored* (aka not sure the baby was his). I am sure that conversation was far from civil and he probably called her all sorts of name (which was the norm in the 1980's). And now he is acting all wounded. What a scum bag.

forgive first off, cause this is going to be a very long post.

forgive me secondly, cause i pretty much covered most of this over the first 15 or so pages of this thread, 9 months ago.

i really dont care who's telling the truth, sleyton, terry or whether its somewhere in the middle. its my opinion its terry, though, cause her story stays consistant while sleyton keeps changing his.

the point is, this isnt about terry or sleyton. its about jaycee. its not about what happened in 1979. its about what happened in 1991-2010. keny sleyton can sit there with his rottweiller attorney and preach 'i want to be a dad to her, i want whats best for her, blah blah blah' all he wants. draggin her into court and forcing a DNA test, to a 30 year old woman (how can that even be granted in the first place) who has spent 2/thirds of her life in great torture and pain, is not the act of a loving father.

i think the diffrence between him and carl is clear. carl waited. carl was patient. carl said he would let things go slolwly cause that was what was most important for jaycee and the girls. sleyton, still, 10 months later, is trying to enforce his will on a daughter who doesnt know him, and spent 18 years under the boot and control of an animal who controlled everything she did. Carl IS jaycee's dad. yeah i know, 'he was only her dad for 3 years, and they only bonded after they moved to tahoe'. but he was her dad. he took her fishing for cryin out loud. that one simple act, a bonding experience, is something he did to improve there growing bound. and it was him who suffered for 18 years knowing he couldnt save her, knowing he would always be looked at as guilty by close minded fools. it was he who lost his marriage and his good name. it was he who got the phone call from terry that day last august and he who cried with her.

why wasnt it sleyton that did any of these things? simple. he made his choice. he knew terry was pregenent, and then he knew that they said the baby looked just like him. but he CHOSE to do NOTHING about it. for 12 years. 11 birhdays, 11 christmases gone. no card, no call, no visit. and yet sleyton actually had the gall this week to tell jaycee to 'call me on fathers day.

right. im sure that was first on her list, ken.

and then he has the utter gall, to annouce that 'im a victim of garriddo too, he stole my daughter from me'. oh really? so your lack of caring about jaycee for the last 30 years is garridos fault now? i think you pretty much did that to yourself ken.

see, none of this is kens fault. its terrys fault. its garrido's fault, maybe its carl and shaynas fault too. nothing that tranpired (or didnt transpire) from 1979 to 1991 in regard to his daughter is his responsibilty.

and what happened after she was kidnapped? lets say for, a half second, we believe he didnt really know she was his till the fbi showed up on his doorstep. what did he do? did he hand out fliers? did he call carl and terry and offer support? did he fly to tahoe and go on americas most wanted and say 'i was a lousy dad and i want the chance to be her dad now, please bring her back home to us'. no. what he did was nothing. like hed' done for the previous 12 years. as he would do for the next 18.

how did he handle the jaycee situation with his other kids who suddenly want in jaycee's life too? according to them, they either didnt know she was related, didnt know who she was, or thought she was dead. that's ken keeping hope alive my friends! the truth of the matter is, when jaycee was gone, while terry and carl and shayna cried themselves to sleep every night, kenny was RELIEVED. relieved he had no more responsibility to her. not that he ever had, mind you.

now jaycee is found. reporters stick cameras in his face. now all of a sudden he wants to 'kill garrido.' ok. now all of a sudden he hires that barracuda to serve HIS needs. not jaycee. now he wants in her life, doesnt matter him if SHE doesnt want him there.

now he is trying to what garrido did. get her to dance to his tune. and no, i dont buythis ridiculous 'i need the dna to sit in on the trial.' hey ken? heres a hint? the trial is open to the public. get there early, it works wonders for dr doogie and andoid.

but lets, just say, for a second, this IS true. what does he think is gonna happen? that jaycee is gonna be ecstatic that he's there? that carl and terry and shayna are gonna let him sit next to them? this is utter stupidity.

sleyton should heed jaycee's journal entries from years ago.

'isnt this my life to do as i choose?" yes, yes it is.

'free to say i have a family?" yes, your real family.

dna is not family by itself, plain and simple. dna without love and caring is just saliva on a cotton swab. that's what sleyton wants to be. a guy with a paper saying 'im your daddy!". what does he really want? i dont know. maybe its money, maybe it really is trying to alliviete the guilt of what a lousy guy he was to jaycee, but i really dont care. he made his bed, now he's gotta lie in it.

and he doesnt get to demand anything of jaycee. she's an adult, she is not, by any account, unstable or unable to make such a simple decision as who to allow herself around. so sleyton, to my knowledge, cannot enforce in court that he has any right to demand jaycee do ANYTHING. not a meeting, CERTINALY not a dna test.

Jaycee has responsibilities. she knows she has those. they are to herself, to her girls, to her family. her biggest responsbility is to heal. to have her girls heal, and her family as a whole heal. to do it together. no intruders from outside.....

jaycee does not owe ken sleyton, his daughters, or his lawyer one iota.

she doesnt owe garrido, his wife, or they're lawyers anything.

she certianly doesnt owe the media anything.

and she doesnt owe us an explanation for feeling about sleyton the way she does. that is her right. and to rip her for it shows insensitivity and clearly never understood what it means to be abandoned by a parent or so called parent.

i had a similar situation with my own father, and yes, before someone says anything, i know overall my situation is no comparison to jaycee's. but in regards to a deadbeat dad who couldnt be bothered with me, i know EXACTLY what that feels like. and if my 'dad' showed up 30 years later and started 'demanding' i do things his way, he would get hit with a restraning order (and jazz, i had that idea first lol)

ok im done. sorry i took up so much space

 

[Jenni979]

Not to be a horrid troll, but WHO CARES if he has cancer? I mean, I would never wisg cancer on anyone, but that does not give him any more of a right to stalk Jaycee than if he were healthy.

Even if it's not a fame & money thing... Let's just give him the benefit of the doubt and say it's a "OMG, I am at death's door and now I see what a HUGE jerk I have been for 30 years!!!" kind of revelation... So, what? That is STILL him being totally selfish. It's still all about what HE needs, what HE feels and what HE wants.

PS --- If he does get paternity proven, could Jaycee still have him barred from the trial? I think it should be up to her, JMO...

 

[kbl8201]

the cancer card was a cry for sympathy from the public. like its jaycees fault or concern that he has it.

i would hope jaycee's real family would move to have him banned dna or not. dna does not mean family when you arent there for 30 years.

 

[kbl8201]

You must be used to some really ugly rotweillers to make that comparison.

ROFLmao