Jon Benets Mother

[JMO8778]

yes,and then comes the question,why weren't these ppl afraid?Susan Stine even drove her son and BR to school shortly afterward,unescorted.She had to have know she wasn't in any danger.

 

[Solace]

yes,and then comes the question,why weren't these ppl afraid?Susan Stine even drove her son and BR to school shortly afterward,unescorted.She had to have know she wasn't in any danger.

Good point. Just think about it, a child is murdered and sexually assaulted and her head is practically in half and you believe your friends were not the killers, but you are willing to POSSIBLY put yourself and your child in harm's way by taking the sibling of the murdered child to school UNESCORTED. This after the parents say we know someone is out there and they have a vendetta against us. Right, yes right, no problem, hop in Burke.

 

[RiverRat]

Which spot was that one lying - there are so many - is this the one where she said they had donated 1000 to JonBenet's camp?

So true - but yes - I was referring to that clip. Without missing a beat or batting an eyelash, Patsy jumped right in with that without realizing that FFJ and a reporter were quick on her heels to reveal otherwise!

 

[Solace]

So true - but yes - I was referring to that clip. Without missing a beat or batting an eyelash, Patsy jumped right in with that without realizing that FFJ and a reporter were quick on her heels to reveal otherwise!

With her perennial grin they listened as Tricia asked them why all the discovery was NOT given to Judge Carnes (the question John said he did not hear, and Larry did not repeat for him) and funds have yet to be given. Two weeks later they deposited $1000.

 

[feddup]

Oh dont worry, its ok. I was just surprised it was listed so high. Who would pay that anyway?

Michelle, any book that is our of print you will pay alot for. I dont
want to tell you how mch I had to pay for an out of print, used book
on a rock star who has since died but I really wanted it. I dont know why they quit printing books after awhile but maybe they only decided to print so many?

$9 isnt much.
Out of print books on really popular singers, etc or actresses like Marilyn Monroe, etc can go for quite alot.

 

[Peculiar Petunia]

Michelle, any book that is our of print you will pay alot for. I dont
want to tell you how mch I had to pay for an out of print, used book
on a rock star who has since died but I really wanted it. I dont know why they quit printing books after awhile but maybe they only decided to print so many?

$9 isnt much.
Out of print books on really popular singers, etc or actresses like Marilyn Monroe, etc can go for quite alot.

It's not uncommon for a book to go out of print after only 6 months. Some of Sue Grafton's earliest books went out of print and first editions of "A is for Alibi" were fetching over a grand. (They've been reprinted in paperback since and are readily available in that format now.)

Storage for books is really expensive--Amazon is really pushing Kindle for that reason.

 

[JMO8778]

I thought perhaps there were signed contracts on some of them,with a release of only a certain amount.That makes them more valuable,if supply is limited.

 

[BBB167893]

I will always believe that John Mark Karr was John Ramseys' parting gift to Patsy so that she could die happy thinking that her family would no longer be subjected to the suspicion they cast upon themselves.

Take out John Ramsey and insert Mary Lacy. Leastways, that's how Craig Silverman described it.

 

[angelwngs]

Yesterday, I was online googling to see if there might possibly be any sliver of news about the JonBenet case. I accidently happened upon a cancer fundraising site showing "original artwork" by Patsy Ramsey.

I was astonished to see a supposed "original piece" at this site, said to be completed by Patsy just prior to her death, which was almost IDENTICAL to a print which I have at my home, entitled "Pals by Betty Morris-Hamilton" from Alabama. Patsy is said to have painted BR with his arm around JBR's neck, as they faced the ocean and watched the sunset.

The subjects of both painting are two children sitting on the beach with the older brother's arm around the neck of the younger child, both facing the ocean and watching the sunset. The similarities are beyond obvious.

I felt gut-punched. My love for the original which had reminded me of a vacation photograph I had taken many years prior, of my two sons when they were both young suddenly vanished.

I googled Patsy and my print's artist's name with the title of her painting only to find that others had discovered the "copied work by Patsy". There is even an article written in the Denver Newspaper about the two paintings!

According to the original artist, Betty Morris-Hamilton, she 'did not assist PR nor did she offer permission to have her work copied'. Betty Morris-Hamilton, did respond very graciously upon finding out that PR had apparently copied her work, saying that novice artists often use other artworks to 'go by' when they are learning and that she hoped that PR found some comfort in 'borrowing' her work.

The strong intensity of PR's colors versus Betty Morris-Hamilton's original; PR's timing of completing this work, very close to her death and the older brother's arm around the younger child's neck destroyed all my fondness for Ms Hamilton's much more innocent original.

PR's version appears far less innocent and extremely more telling, IMO!

A 'copied version of a painting by PR just prior to her death' might just be worth a thousand words, IMO.

Please do a google search or a google image search for "Patsy Ramsey Betty Morris-Hamilton Pals" or click on the Denver Post link below and see if Patsy Ramsey's version give you the same sick feeling it gave me...

At this link, below the picture of the painting is a "1" and a "2" to click on in order to view both 'paintings'.

http://www.denverpost.com/jonbenet/ci_4064157

 

[RiverRat]

You really really enjoy reading these threads from FFJ!

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7063&highlight=paintings

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7462&highlight=paintings

There are a few others - let me know if anyone is interested!

 

[angelwngs]

You really really enjoy reading these threads from FFJ!

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7063&highlight=paintings

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7462&highlight=paintings

There are a few others - let me know if anyone is interested!

I didn't know it was at FFJ. I did go to FFJ yesterday, when looking for any news on JR and Natalie Holloway's mom to see if they were still seeing eachother, but I didn't know FFJ had already posted about it there.

When I googled Pals/Betty Morris-Hamilton Patsy Ramsey, after discovering the PR painting on the cancer fundraising site, which is almost exactly like the summer print Pals that I have hanging, right now, in my garage at our entrance door, along with a seashell wreath to welcome Summer to our home, I also found the subject of the two paintings mentioned at this cyber sleuths site: http://www.cybersleuths.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=next_topic&f=1&t=002509&go=older

as well as the Denver Post article.

Thanks so much, RR, for posting the FFJ link to the paintings! I'm glad that it is discussed! I can't wait to read about it at FFJ!

 

[RiverRat]

I'm very happy to be of assistance - especially on this subject. There are also examples of Patsy's signature from the paintings that, for some funny reason, are almost identical the thr word "Ramsey" from the Ransom Note!

 

[angelwngs]

Oh My Goodness, RR!!! Post 41 on page 4 of your second link is amazing! The signature in the painting comparison to "Ramsey" in the ransom note is all but IDENTICAL! OMG!!!!!!!

I noticed loops in her capital R's in several of her painting signatures. This is what Kathleen M Dickenson says about the loop in the capital R:

snip~quote "All of these traits are seen in the handwriting. Worrying is shown in the vertical loop in mostly 'm' and 'n' formations, although it can be seen in other letters such as capital 'R's. This indicates a lack of realism, an indefinite dread or anxiety, or even anguish played upon by the imagination. It uses up a lot of energy." end quote ~snip

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...is+loop+in+capital+r&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

 

[DeeDee249]

I've seen that famous beach painting reproduced many times, as someone who has a home at the beach. The gift shops are full of them.
The artist was being too kind when she said that maybe PR used her painting as a "guide". PR's is much more amateurish, and it is very like PR's personality to copy someone's work and take credit for it and think she'd get away with it. After all, the Rs can get away with anything, right?

 

[JMO8778]

I've seen that famous beach painting reproduced many times, as someone who has a home at the beach. The gift shops are full of them.
The artist was being too kind when she said that maybe PR used her painting as a "guide". PR's is much more amateurish, and it is very like PR's personality to copy someone's work and take credit for it and think she'd get away with it. After all, the Rs can get away with anything, right?

exactly! IMO getting away with murder gave her the confidence that she could get away with anything she wanted to.

 

[BBB167893]

It's been two years already.

Think she's ready to confess yet? I would be.

 

[BBB167893]

I seem to be especially mean-spirited lately. Must be that Dark Quickening I absorbed...

Anyhoo, I came upon this, in case anyone wanted a laugh:

http://www.johnmonty.com/cotw/cw000902.htm

Some of my favorite parts:

This week's session did not demonstrate any change in John and Patsy's cavalier attitude towards the investigation. Their lawyer, L. Lin Wood, described the questioning as a “fishing expedition” and called prosecutor Michael Kane an “overzealous, obsessive special prosecutor ... who long ago lost his objectivity."
The Ramseys refused to answer certain questions they "thought were not helpful." Does that sound like people who want to advance a stalled investigation? Or does it fill the room with the oppressive, fart-like fragrance of shameless guilt?

Afterwards, Patsy tried to play therapist to the hapless investigators: "Whatever obstacles are in your way that make you think I killed my child, I want to help you get over that." Thanks for your concern, Patsy. Now we'll need some air freshener in here.

Where does that leave the investigation? Stinking.

Elsewhere, he adds:

Their MAIN ACHIEVEMENT FOR 2002 was: Faking yet another home intrusion. This time, in February 2001, John seems to have concocted up a wild story about a well-dressed, light-skinned, soft-spoken African-American man (who has come to be known as "Hyphen Man") who broke into the Ramseys' Atlanta home in broad daylight.
The elaborate security system was set to "Off" -- again! (DOH!) The "intruder" wandered around in the home aimlessly for a while, encountered John returning from a world record 10-minute round trip to Home Depot, and John shadow-boxed with the guy for a while. Somehow poor John ended up being tossed in a bathroom by the "intruder" who TIED THE DOOR SHUT WITH A JACKET (OR WAS IT A ROPE?). John -- momentarily forgetting that bathroom doors open INWARD -- stayed in the bathroom for a while, presumably reading a copy of "Intruders Monthly", and then realized he could just walk out of said bathroom.

He calls 911, and within two minutes 20-25 police cars arrive, but yet another Ramsey intruder vanishes into thin air, and promptly retires from the home intrusion business after making their last stop at a Ramsey mansion which has an unused security system.

Meanwhile, Patsy arrives on the scene after-the-fact, does her best Blanche DuBois/Scarlett O'Hara imitation (this after all is Atlanta), fans herself, announces to the assembled media "Oh Lad, I shore do feel faint" and demands a mint julep from the police officers.

Next day, John goes down to the cop station to -- get this -- COOPERATE WITH THE AUTHORITIES! DOH! What a concept, but 5 years too late! They humor him, a sketch artist comes up with a funny cartoon which becomes known as SketchMan #2 and apparently is created for the sole purpose of keeping the original Ramsey psychic-drawn SketchMan #1 company, and the case promptly goes into yet another "unsolved Ramsey home intrusion" file.

I think the reason why no one seems to remember the "Second Intruder" incident is because they know how bad it looks. If your kid was killed right under your nose, a death you could have prevented by using your own damn security system, would YOU ever leave your house unlocked again? Hell, no! Especially after you've told the cops how, if you had it to do over again, you'd use everything from alarms to guard dogs to Spetznaz troops!

What Mary Lacy has done is many times worse than what Nifong was punished for doing. Yet I don't see her being dragged before the Ethics Committee. Hell, she wouldn't know ethics if they bit her in the *advertiser censored**!

 

[JMO8778]

ROFL!! While we're at it,this one reminds me of Patsy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=v5mYiP2vAr8

Snow White,15 yrs later...

 

[coloradokares]

I seem to be especially mean-spirited lately. Must be that Dark Quickening I absorbed...

Anyhoo, I came upon this, in case anyone wanted a laugh:

http://www.johnmonty.com/cotw/cw000902.htm

Some of my favorite parts:

This week's session did not demonstrate any change in John and Patsy's cavalier attitude towards the investigation. Their lawyer, L. Lin Wood, described the questioning as a “fishing expedition” and called prosecutor Michael Kane an “overzealous, obsessive special prosecutor ... who long ago lost his objectivity."
The Ramseys refused to answer certain questions they "thought were not helpful." Does that sound like people who want to advance a stalled investigation? Or does it fill the room with the oppressive, fart-like fragrance of shameless guilt?

Afterwards, Patsy tried to play therapist to the hapless investigators: "Whatever obstacles are in your way that make you think I killed my child, I want to help you get over that." Thanks for your concern, Patsy. Now we'll need some air freshener in here.

Where does that leave the investigation? Stinking.

Elsewhere, he adds:

Their MAIN ACHIEVEMENT FOR 2002 was: Faking yet another home intrusion. This time, in February 2001, John seems to have concocted up a wild story about a well-dressed, light-skinned, soft-spoken African-American man (who has come to be known as "Hyphen Man") who broke into the Ramseys' Atlanta home in broad daylight.
The elaborate security system was set to "Off" -- again! (DOH!) The "intruder" wandered around in the home aimlessly for a while, encountered John returning from a world record 10-minute round trip to Home Depot, and John shadow-boxed with the guy for a while. Somehow poor John ended up being tossed in a bathroom by the "intruder" who TIED THE DOOR SHUT WITH A JACKET (OR WAS IT A ROPE?). John -- momentarily forgetting that bathroom doors open INWARD -- stayed in the bathroom for a while, presumably reading a copy of "Intruders Monthly", and then realized he could just walk out of said bathroom.

He calls 911, and within two minutes 20-25 police cars arrive, but yet another Ramsey intruder vanishes into thin air, and promptly retires from the home intrusion business after making their last stop at a Ramsey mansion which has an unused security system.

Meanwhile, Patsy arrives on the scene after-the-fact, does her best Blanche DuBois/Scarlett O'Hara imitation (this after all is Atlanta), fans herself, announces to the assembled media "Oh Lad, I shore do feel faint" and demands a mint julep from the police officers.

Next day, John goes down to the cop station to -- get this -- COOPERATE WITH THE AUTHORITIES! DOH! What a concept, but 5 years too late! They humor him, a sketch artist comes up with a funny cartoon which becomes known as SketchMan #2 and apparently is created for the sole purpose of keeping the original Ramsey psychic-drawn SketchMan #1 company, and the case promptly goes into yet another "unsolved Ramsey home intrusion" file.

I think the reason why no one seems to remember the "Second Intruder" incident is because they know how bad it looks. If your kid was killed right under your nose, a death you could have prevented by using your own damn security system, would YOU ever leave your house unlocked again? Hell, no! Especially after you've told the cops how, if you had it to do over again, you'd use everything from alarms to guard dogs to Spetznaz troops!

What Mary Lacy has done is many times worse than what Nifong was punished for doing. Yet I don't see her being dragged before the Ethics Committee. Hell, she wouldn't know ethics if they bit her in the *advertiser censored**!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[DeeDee249]

I don't know how she sleeps at night. LW either. I guess if you tell yourself enough times that what you're doing is right, even when you KNOW it's wrong, you come to believe it.