Judge's Order re: OP's Mental Health Eval

[Trooper]

That's why as he lives alone, Samantha Taylor would probably have the best idea as they went on holidays together in October for a week or two.

Samantha and her mother maybe among the very few who would be absolutely agreeable to being questioned by Professors of Psychology on the matter of Oscar Pistorius.. .


Along with Darrin Fresco and Kevin Larena they would have a quartet of folks who only hinted at the swirling sharkinfested waters that one swam in if connected to Oscar.

 

[soozieqtips]

Samantha and her mother maybe among the very few who would be absolutely agreeable to being questioned by Professors of Psychology on the matter of Oscar Pistorius.. .


Along with Darrin Fresco and Kevin Larena they would have a quartet of folks who only hinted at the swirling sharkinfested waters that one swam in if connected to Oscar.

Didn't Dr. V also say that OP very often had people staying over because he didn't want to be alone? I imagine she meant 'sleeping' over. Anyone get shot... ? They must have been very quiet and gone to bed with a catheter.

 

[Ncl1968]

Adjourned till June 30th?
What will we do? sigh

Wait for Hollywood to get hold of this!!! They probably already know the ending

 

[Duchy]

I think judge Masipa clarified her position about a mental health defense when she said although the defense did not plea an incapacitation defense due to mental illness or defect, the state believes that the defense presented an incapacitation defense due to mental illness or mental defect (due to doc Vorsters testimony) so the court must out of an abundance of caution have an independent evaluation done thus her words “Inquire into whether the accused by reason of mental illness or mental defect was at the time of the commission of the offense criminally responsible for the offenses charged whether he was capable of appreciating the wrongfulness of his act or of acting in accordance with an appreciation of the wrongfulness of his act.”

So the stage is set for an incapacitation defense or mitigating circumstances affirmation due to an extreme situation combining Oscar’s disability and whatever mental defect/illness the panel may find that Oscar may or may not have.

Very interesting.

BBM She didn't mention disability did she?

 

[Suthrnqt]

Didn't Dr. V also say that OP very often had people staying over because he didn't want to be alone? I imagine she meant 'sleeping' over. Anyone get shot... ? They must have been very quiet and gone to bed with a catheter.

:giggle:

 

[Gryffindor]

BBM She didn't mention disability did she?

Dr. Vorster did, yes.

 

[soozieqtips]

Dr. Vorster did, yes.

I doubt his disability will play much of a part, as he's heard numerous noises before, and hasn't shot anyone dead.

 

[TorisMom003]

I'm curious as to when OP's mother's anxiety presented itself. Was it only at night? OP claims she slept with a gun under her pillow, yet during the day she allowed her children to play outside. So is that where OP gets his "anxiety issues" from and why they seem to "present themselves" at night as well? But then why isn't he more concerned with home security? Why "sleep" with balcony doors open, not making sure that the alarm is in proper working order, that his dogs will actually alert him to possible danger, that a broken downstairs window was fixed immediately, that he had bars installed on his windows, that any ladders were securely put up before dark, and that his cars were secured in the garage? His actions seem to be the total opposite of his words.

MOO

 

[soozieqtips]

I'm curious as to when OP's mother's anxiety presented itself. Was it only at night? OP claims she slept with a gun under her pillow, yet during the day she allowed her children to play outside. So is that where OP gets his "anxiety issues" from and why they seem to "present themselves" at night as well? But then why isn't he more concerned with home security? Why "sleep" with balcony doors open, not making sure that the alarm is in proper working order, that his dogs will actually alert him to possible danger, that a broken downstairs window was fixed immediately, that he had bars installed on his windows, that any ladders were securely put up before dark, and that his cars were secured in the garage? His actions seem to be the total opposite of his words.

MOO

He was very lax about home security for someone so petrified of intruders.

And yes, his actions seem to be the total opposite of his words. I'm sure the Judge will consider all his contradictory claims when deciding on a verdict. :jail:

 

[Cherwell]

Thanks Estelle.

From the link:

Given these conditions, a diagnosis of GAD is confirmed if three or more of the following symptoms are present (only one for children) on most days for 6 months:

Being on edge or very restless
Feeling tired
Having difficulty with concentration
Being irritable
Having muscle tension
Experiencing disturbed sleep

My question is how can anyone confirm whether OP had three or more of those symptoms on most days for six months?? Sure, he can say he has - but coming from a pathological liar, it would be hard to know if it was yet another lie.

I should have thought that list would cover most people :scared:

 

[Whole Truth]

...and go home each night to be debriefed and coached? I wonder if he's reading books on how to act like *another* person did.

Genuine question as I know nothing about psychiatric assessments but is it feasible to sustain a pretence for 30 days with trained professionals observing your every move/comment (albeit only 9-5 Mon-Fri)?

I can't help feeling an inpatient stay would have given a fuller picture, but even so thats a lot of hours in which to make a slip-up! :moo:

 

[Trooper]

I am convinced that Roux himself would have tried to get Oscar to agree to undertaking some sort of psychiatric assessment. .. something that would be fully under Oscars control to cover the basis for Roux under Oscar's instruction, going the route of his hypervigilantic method of assessing security.. If it turned out a bit dodgy, the report would have been still totally under Oscars control.


My conviction is based on Roux being a very experienced attorney. It is not something he forgot, or dismissed. He has a huge staff that covers all these elements.. the timing of his consultation with Vorster exposes the sudden relenting of Oscar to this kind of examination. Right after his testimony.

But as it stands.. while I an unhappy with the outpatient situation, now its a court ordered event, everything everything is tabled in evidence.. people can be examined on it and their conclusions, and their reccomendations, if any. (I doubt there will be any. )

What Oscar could have had complete dominion over, he no longer has. He really is at the beck and call of 3 professors of psychology ,psychiatry and miscellaneous other disciplines, and they have no dog in this fight whatsoever..

 

[MsMarple]

I'm curious as to when OP's mother's anxiety presented itself. Was it only at night? OP claims she slept with a gun under her pillow, yet during the day she allowed her children to play outside. So is that where OP gets his "anxiety issues" from and why they seem to "present themselves" at night as well? But then why isn't he more concerned with home security? Why "sleep" with balcony doors open, not making sure that the alarm is in proper working order, that his dogs will actually alert him to possible danger, that a broken downstairs window was fixed immediately, that he had bars installed on his windows, that any ladders were securely put up before dark, and that his cars were secured in the garage? His actions seem to be the total opposite of his words.

MOO

IIRC burglar bars weren't allowed in the compound. Which leaves me scratching my head over why he didn't bother to lock the friikkin' windows. Hyper-vigilant, really? More like hyper-Pinocchioism... :liar:

 

[Trooper]

IIRC burglar bars weren't allowed in the compound. Which leaves me scratching my head over why he didn't bother to lock the friikkin' windows. Hyper-vigilant, really? More like hyper-Pinocchioism... :liar:

why the heck would he buy a house which doesn't allow burglar bars??

:dunno:hoh:

 

[MsMarple]

why the heck would he buy a house which doesn't allow burglar bars??

:dunno:hoh:

Yep, it kind of makes one think that OP liked the house well enough w/o burglar bars to go ahead and purchase it. How exactly does that fit with his high anxiety over safety?:scared:

Standar testified burglar bars were permitted only if they were part of the original construction and cannot be added afterwards.

http://cnnworldlive.cnn.com/Event/Oscar_Pistorius_trial_4?Page=114

 

[soozieqtips]

why the heck would he buy a house which doesn't allow burglar bars??

:dunno:hoh:

Because he wasn't bothered about intruders as he had his beloved guns to shoot anyone dead.

And you know what they say. Murder is better than prevention.

 

[soozieqtips]

I should have thought that list would cover most people :scared:

It certainly covers me... and since my cat gets tired, irritable and restless on at least 3 days of the week, perhaps I should get him evaluated too.

 

[Zinn]

Genuine question as I know nothing about psychiatric assessments but is it feasible to sustain a pretence for 30 days with trained professionals observing your every move/comment (albeit only 9-5 Mon-Fri)?

I can't help feeling an inpatient stay would have given a fuller picture, but even so thats a lot of hours in which to make a slip-up! :moo:

I agree that an inpatient stay might reveal more than an outpatient arrangement, but I'm not convinced OP has a good understanding of how he is perceived, so I don't know how effective an act would be anyway.

Even if someone coaches him...imagine that coaching session..."Oscar, you might not want to mention shooting a stranger's dog in the head." "But that was an act of mercy!" OMG.

IMO, it will only take a few instances of OP referring to Reeva's death as "the accident" to give them a sense of what they're dealing with here.

And who knows...maybe he does have a mental illness. If so, I would love for him to get a diagnosis and treatment. As far as I can tell, he's a danger to himself and others on the road, on the river, in restaurants and in his own home. If he has a condition that can be treated, or if it's determined that he needs long-term treatment to protect himself and others, I'm all for it.

As always, all of the above is just my opinion.

 

[soozieqtips]

IMO, it will only take a few instances of OP referring to Reeva's death as "the accident" to give them a sense of what they're dealing with here.

~snipped~

BBM - Or the 'mistake'.

 

[jay-jay]

Yep, it kind of makes one think that OP liked the house well enough w/o burglar bars to go ahead and purchase it. How exactly does that fit with his high anxiety over safety?:scared:

Standar testified burglar bars were permitted only if they were part of the original construction and cannot be added afterwards.

http://cnnworldlive.cnn.com/Event/Oscar_Pistorius_trial_4?Page=114

There's no reason why he couldn't have had something like this installed on the inside though .. many big, expensive homes in London have them ..

ETA: .. and yes, you're right, why even buy the house in the first place if he's supposed to be that obsessed with security. Clearly he isn't that bothered.