Kyron's doctors appointment

[SurfieTX]

And would a physician send pre-appointment paperwork for a teacher to fill out about seizures?

 

[TxLady2]

No... her emails indicate that the dr. suggested he might be having seizures. She did not say she thought he was.
Quite a difference.

 

[Aedrys]

I think premeditated red herring. I went to WebMd.com to get the symptoms of absence seizures and here's what I found:

Typical absence seizures begin abruptly, last 10 to 30 seconds, and resolve themselves without complication. The person simply stops in his tracks (and/or mid-sentence), and enters a staring, trance-like state during which he is unresponsive and unaware of his surroundings. He may make fumbling movements with his hands, and there may also be eyelid fluttering, lip smacking, or chewing motions during the seizure. When the seizure passes, the person returns to normal, with no memory of the event and no lingering effects. Generally speaking, typical absence seizures have no discernible cause.

Now here's what Terri said about Kyron:

“The past 2 weeks he’s been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can’t remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks he is having mini seizures and I made an appt. on Thursday for the next Friday to have him checked out.”

Wow, those two are an awfully lot alike, except of course, WebMd is way more detailed. She totally looked this up and then described symptoms to the doctor to make the doctor think Kyron was having absence seizures. And of course she didn't say she thought it, what was important is that the doctor thought Kyron was having seizures.

 

[chasing.halos]

IMOO, total and complete red herring. An attempt to cover and allude to the possibility that he would wander off.

The reason I feel this way is because if that behavior were noticed and/or told to other family members, it would have been mentioned at the beginning.

In general, I think it is absolute BS if a parent (or anyone for that matter) notices that a child is having seizure type symptoms and doesn't take that child in RIGHT AWAY. I am talking ER ROOM. And I would question a doctor that was told of symptoms such as this and subsequently told a parent to bring him in a week later. Sorry, I just do not buy it. I've got 2 little ones- if I call about a bad cough my doctor tells me to get in that day. Maybe he is just old school though?

I don't know. I just wish Kyron would come back to us safely.

 

[MBLover]

Yes a teacher would be required to fill out certain paperwork - about how the child was doing in class - any notice of "daydreaming", not being on task, confusion.

My son was put through a battery of test at a young age (learning disabilities and thought it was possible he was having seizure activity) and the teachers he had was in on the process as well.

 

[ami]

And would a physician send pre-appointment paperwork for a teacher to fill out about seizures?

Maybe, to ask if the teacher ever noticed them during the day while Kyron was at school, how many, how often, what duration, etc. Things that Terri would probably have already asked the teacher when she started noticing them at home. Or if she wanted people to think she was noticing them at home. Either way.

 

[Emma Peel]

Terri says she had scheduled an appointment, at Kyron's doctor's recommendation, for Kyron to be checked out for recent odd behavior. She didn't say he'd had mini-seisures so much as odd behavior the doctor agreed should be checked. IMO, mini-seizures, mild epilepsy,etc. would be on the list of things a neuro-specialist could eliminate.

To me it sounds like the beginning of a careful attentive parent working with Kyron's doctor to rule out a major health issue.

If this was a potential health concern, it would be one more thing on the list of concerns surrounding Kyron's disappearance.

As I mentioned in the e-mail thread, a head injury could cause abnormal brain activity. Even an old head injury.

Of course, all of it could be fabricated.

Agree that it will be interesting to see if Terri had discussed her concerns with Kaine/Desiree or even teacher too - the people in Kyron's life that would/should also be in the position to watch for any little "spacey" episodes.

IMO

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Seeing how TH is obviously an attention seeker, maybe she was drugging him and possibly baby? Munchausen (sp) Syndrome??? I wouldn't put it past her. I'd love to hear what Kaine and Desiree know about these "episodes".

 

[SurfieTX]

Maybe, to ask if the teacher ever noticed them during the day while Kyron was at school, how many, how often, what duration, etc. Things that Terri would probably have already asked the teacher when she started noticing them at home. Or if she wanted people to think she was noticing them at home. Either way.

I wasn't sure. It would seem to me that, as someone else pointed out, those symptoms cover a variety of diagnoses - and that a doctor would want to examine the patient first before sending out paperwork to a teacher.

 

[Savmom]

IMO, it is fabricated. If he had been having seizures for 2+ weeks, someone else would have noticed. My dd has Epilepsy and has had several different types of seizures, including "absence" seizures (which is the type she is referring to in her email). By Kyron's age, other people would definitely notice something was wrong. Plus he would have said something because my dd always tells me when they happen & she is only 8.

From the article above:

"The past 2 weeks he's been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can't remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks that he is having mini seizures and I made an appt on Thursday for next Friday to have him checked out."

BBM.

Obviously LE has questioned the "doc" she is referring to & he/she would provide corroboration as to why he/she thought Kyron was having "mini seizures" or whatever IF there was actually a doc involved.

One more thing to add to the premeditated list IMO...

Cindy

 

[Aedrys]

I wasn't sure. It would seem to me that, as someone else pointed out, those symptoms cover a variety of diagnoses - and that a doctor would want to examine the patient first before sending out paperwork to a teacher.

I daydreamed all the time when I was in school. No one ever thought I was having seizures. Maybe I don't understand it, but I am unclear on why the giant leap was made by the doctor that this was seizures and not ADHD. Wouldn't the doctor rule out other diagnoses first before going for a more serious one? Or in this day and age, is it more go for the most expensive diagnosis to make more money?

Of course, she could be totally lying about what the doctor said or even that the conversation took place. I'd love to know what the doctor, KH, and DY have to say about this. I'd be furious if I was all three of them right now.

 

[Calliope]

And would a physician send pre-appointment paperwork for a teacher to fill out about seizures?

If he was suspected of having petit mal seizures, I can see where they'd want the teacher's input.

I asked on the other thread and not sure if it was answered, but if a kid is suspected of having ADD, would the doc rule out organic causes for their behavior before making the diagnosis? (and again ... I hope so)

 

[Calliope]

I think premeditated red herring. I went to WebMd.com to get the symptoms of absence seizures and here's what I found:

Typical absence seizures begin abruptly, last 10 to 30 seconds, and resolve themselves without complication. The person simply stops in his tracks (and/or mid-sentence), and enters a staring, trance-like state during which he is unresponsive and unaware of his surroundings. He may make fumbling movements with his hands, and there may also be eyelid fluttering, lip smacking, or chewing motions during the seizure. When the seizure passes, the person returns to normal, with no memory of the event and no lingering effects. Generally speaking, typical absence seizures have no discernible cause.

Now here's what Terri said about Kyron:

“The past 2 weeks he’s been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can’t remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks he is having mini seizures and I made an appt. on Thursday for the next Friday to have him checked out.”

Wow, those two are an awfully lot alike, except of course, WebMd is way more detailed. She totally looked this up and then described symptoms to the doctor to make the doctor think Kyron was having absence seizures. And of course she didn't say she thought it, what was important is that the doctor thought Kyron was having seizures.

Or... kyron was exhibiting these behaviors and the doc was working him up.

 

[gliving]

Yes a teacher would be required to fill out certain paperwork - about how the child was doing in class - any notice of "daydreaming", not being on task, confusion.

My son was put through a battery of test at a young age (learning disabilities and thought it was possible he was having seizure activity) and the teachers he had was in on the process as well.

Thanks MBLover.

Can you tell us more about the paper work? From what I've seen in assisting with pediatric EEG's, the questions go all the way back to prenatal care, labor and birth history, to the present day including all illness and accidents.

 

[Calliope]

I daydreamed all the time when I was in school. No one ever thought I was having seizures. Maybe I don't understand it, but I am unclear on why the giant leap was made by the doctor that this was seizures and not ADHD. Wouldn't the doctor rule out other diagnoses first before going for a more serious one? Or in this day and age, is it more go for the most expensive diagnosis to make more money?

Of course, she could be totally lying about what the doctor said or even that the conversation took place. I'd love to know what the doctor, KH, and DY have to say about this. I'd be furious if I was all three of them right now.

IMO, the docs should rule out the more serious (organic) causes before settling on a diagnosis of ADD/ADHD. I'd question any who didn't.

 

[cypress]

I think the doctor could have thrown out seizures as a possibility if Terri told him Kyron was overly, noticeably forgetful. I think that's where a medical condition might come into play as opposed to a child simply daydreaming.

When I was in elementary school, I had a huge crush on a boy who had "staring" seizures. It's really weird if you've ever been in the presence of someone who has these types of seizures. It also made his learning very difficult, because he'd seize and miss information, and then come back. It was always difficult to gauge how long he'd been gone, and sometimes he didn't know, either. Anyway, these types of seizures do exist, and unless Kyron was presenting with an emergency condition, a week is a reasonable amount of time to wait for a doctor's appointment, IMHO.

Desiree and Kaine said in a statement that Kyron had difficulty following directions. Kaine's first assumption when Kyron wasn't on the school bus was that he may have become confused about where he was supposed to be picked up. I wonder if there is some validity to Terri's assertions about Kyron's behavior, and Kaine was simply unaware Terri had scheduled a doctor's appointment.

 

[Kimster]

I would like to ask DY about this. She said that she and TH would email information about Kyron to each other and if this was a concern, I would think TH emailed DY about it before Kyron went missing.

 

[BringKyronHome]

Do we have anything to suggest that Terri is/was an "attention seeker"?

I could see her bodybuilding as a stretch into an idea like that, but is there anything else that would support that her body building was that versus straightforward bodybuilding? Particularly since it was a short-lived thing???

I haven't read the e-mails, or any other updates for today, so forgive me if this doesn't follow...

In terms of seizures, they are about as unique as are people. The different types can be lumped into some categories, but no two people experience the same things. WebMD and other sites like that can give gerneral information, but a MUCH better understanding could be gleamed from going to an epilepsy or better a child neurology online group...

My son also had some experience with seizures due to a metabolic condition which is now under control. However HIS TEACHERS have raised concerns with ME for which I was required to follow-up on with his neurologist, 2 years in a row.

In my opinion, just from what I've seen here in posts it sounds much more like the type of seizures that my son was experienceing...partial seizures...in our case they were occuring in his temporal lobe which manages speech and sensory integration. The seizures stalled his language development and his social development while they were UNmanaged.

We would see spacing, and a defenite interuption in his 'processing' but he NEVER convulsed or colapsed or anything like that. He also had what many docs thought were night-terrors, which turned out to be noctornal partial seizures.

Just my experience...hope it adds something...now off to read...

 

[SurfieTX]

These emails are from June 5, 2010. I can't believe that if Kyron was being checked out for possible seizure-like activity that NO ONE mentioned it to searchers or the public. I'd think that's pretty relevant information considering Kyron went MISSING from SCHOOL. Jeeze.

 

[Etilema]

And would a physician send pre-appointment paperwork for a teacher to fill out about seizures?

Where does the information about the pre-appointment paperwork come from? Was it from an unnamed friend of TH repeating what TH is supposed to have told her/him? Or was it from the teacher or LE? The existence of such paperwork, and the details on it, would have a lot of relevance.

Did she actually have an appointment arranged?

She states that she made the appointment on Thursday for the Friday of next week. How did she obtain the paperwork already before Friday to be able to give it to the teacher before Kyron's disappearance?

Perhaps she took Kyron to the doctor on Thursday and made a specialist appointment for the next Friday and she was given the paperwork then. Well, if that were the case, was Kyron out of school at any time during Thursday?

Or maybe she had taken Kyron to the doctor at some previous time and was given the paperwork then, and only made the specialist appointment on Thursday?

Either it all fits together logically or someone is getting tied up in their own web.

JMO