Kyron's Fate ***POLL***

[eponabri]

Hello, I'm new here, but I have been following this story. It's all too sad and my heart goes out to the family.

I also believe that Kyron is dead, but I think it was an accident, and Terry
panicked and made up the story of that led everyone to believe Kyron had been abducted. I think her friend Deedee helped her bury him, and I also believe that he is in an abandoned cemetery, and very likely in Washington state. There are so many old graveyards that you wouldn't be able to find unless you knew it was there. It might take some time and effort, but another body could easily be buried in the site of another burial, especially if the search was taking place in Oregon and no one thinking about looking further out for several days.

I do believe that eventually, he will be found, and Terry will be sentenced for his death.

I have a feeling that if Kyron is dead, he is niot within the five mile radius of Skyline School that was intensively searched.

I'm intrigued by someone's suggestion (can't remember who, I'm sorry!) that he may have been placed in an abandoned cemetary.

My only hope if he has been buried is the knowledge that digging a standard six foot deep grave is an amazingly difficult task to do without heavy machinery.

 

[mmmagique]

Welcome, Eponabri!

I don't think it was an accident. If she had told people she was leaving with Kyron, then maybe. Why would she have to sneak him out, and create the confusion over the doctor's appointment if it was an accident?

Unless it was an "accident" she knew she was gonna have...

 

[eponabri]

Welcome, Eponabri!

I don't think it was an accident. If she had told people she was leaving with Kyron, then maybe. Why would she have to sneak him out, and create the confusion over the doctor's appointment if it was an accident?

Unless it was an "accident" she knew she was gonna have...

Thank you for the welcome.

You could be right. I guess I just so want to give her the benefit of doubt.
I hate the idea that a mother could kill a child, even though it does happen way too often.

I wasn't sure how much was pre-planned or just fell into place for her.

 

[Skully]

I have such a hard time believing that TH killed this boy in cold blood murder. Things leading up to him being killed would make it premeditated and planned, if you think about the confusion of dr. apts. and taking photos, and taking the truck and not the car. I know lots of step mom don't get along with the kids, but murder? So the only thing I can come up with, is she sold him or gave him away. Maybe I need that to just wrap my mind around the fact he still isn't home after all this time and he hasn't been found. I keep going back to DeDe remark that anyone who knows anything about him, should stay quiet. I think she told DE that Kyron was being abused and they arranged or TH arranged to have him shipped off or given to somebody for his own good. But then now that the whole story is out, why wouldn't they come forward or drop him off some where? Maybe fear of getting arrested? It doesn't sound like an accident, unless you it was and she just happened to mention the dr apt, but that doesn't make sense either. :waitasec: I hope he is alive and with good people, but after all this time, why no sighting of him?

 

[mmmagique]

But if she thought he was being abused, who would be the one doing the abusing, or at least putting him in harms way?
KH, right?
Soooo....then the question arises, why in the heck wouldn't she fight like a wildcat to keep that baby from being left alone with him?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

But if she thought he was being abused, who would be the one doing the abusing, or at least putting him in harms way?
KH, right?
Soooo....then the question arises, why in the heck wouldn't she fight like a wildcat to keep that baby from being left alone with him?

What about Kaine's brother who is now incarcerated on SO charges? Was it just a coincidence that the brother was taken into custody just about the same time that Kyron went missing? jmo

 

[STEADFAST]

What about Kaine's brother who is now incarcerated on SO charges? Was it just a coincidence that the brother was taken into custody just about the same time that Kyron went missing? jmo

It is a coincidence, since the uncle was taken into custody immediately following his trial, conviction and sentencing on June 16 (arrest in 2008) -- which were not related to Kyron's disappearance and there is no evidence at all that Kaine's brother ever molested a young boy in his life. However, he was free on bail at the time Kyron went missing. So, I'd say something or other concerning him would be one of the many possibilities of things that could be in the mix here or might not be.
http://heraldnet.com/article/20100619/NEWS01/706199973/-1/news01

 

[Skully]

But if she thought he was being abused, who would be the one doing the abusing, or at least putting him in harms way?
KH, right?
Soooo....then the question arises, why in the heck wouldn't she fight like a wildcat to keep that baby from being left alone with him?

I was thinking she JUST TOLD DEDE that because she needed help getting rid of him. It may have been a way to solicit help from her in some way.

 

[mmmagique]

What about Kaine's brother who is now incarcerated on SO charges? Was it just a coincidence that the brother was taken into custody just about the same time that Kyron went missing? jmo

But it leaves the question and answer the same: who is responsible for the abuse, OR for putting him in harm's way?

KH, as the brother, would be the connection.

So again, why in the heck would she not fight like crazy to make sure HE can't bring HER daughter around such dangerous, smarmy people?

 

[debs]

But it leaves the question and answer the same: who is responsible for the abuse, OR for putting him in harm's way?

KH, as the brother, would be the connection.

So again, why in the heck would she not fight like crazy to make sure HE can't bring HER daughter around such dangerous, smarmy people?

I've said this several times.....Kaine took their daughter and left and she was slapped with a botched sting and an RO. She didn't have any time to do Mich more than get an attorney. Now she is following his advice. IF this supposition is based anywhere near the truth, I can only imagine what having her child not in her arms is doing to her.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I had to honestly mark "other" because I am not convinced that I know what really happened to Kyron.

I could see it if in the past it was known Terri resented Kyron from the very beginning but it seems she willingly wanted to be Kyron's step mom after caring for him years before then. So those things just don't add up to murder imo.

Now she may have been a little anal about Kyron's schoolwork but there again I just don't see what motive she would have to harm Kyron. And some school teachers can really be tough with their own children when it comes to doing well in school.

The only thing that makes half way sense to me is she became very hurt and angry with Kaine about something she felt was very important in her life. Maybe there is more to the story.. that is unknown now.... about the true situation between Terri, Kaine and J than Kaine has led us to believe.

But then if she reacted because of this I don't think she would physically harm Kyron but may have wanted to crush Kaine by seeing that Kyron wasnt in his daily life anymore just like she no longer had J in hers and she has given him to someone else to raise.

We all would like to think if Kyron was out there alive somewhere he would immediately be found, imo, but tragically that is just not the case. With 300 million people in this country a vast amount of them don't even know Kyron is a missing child and Kyron looks so similar to a lot of 8 year old boys out there. For all I know he may be in Canada and has been for months.

IMO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Just want to thank everyone for participating in the poll and for your cordial, intelligent discussion.
BDE

 

[liz b.]

I have such a hard time believing that TH killed this boy in cold blood murder. Things leading up to him being killed would make it premeditated and planned, if you think about the confusion of dr. apts. and taking photos, and taking the truck and not the car. I know lots of step mom don't get along with the kids, but murder? So the only thing I can come up with, is she sold him or gave him away. Maybe I need that to just wrap my mind around the fact he still isn't home after all this time and he hasn't been found. I keep going back to DeDe remark that anyone who knows anything about him, should stay quiet. I think she told DE that Kyron was being abused and they arranged or TH arranged to have him shipped off or given to somebody for his own good. But then now that the whole story is out, why wouldn't they come forward or drop him off some where? Maybe fear of getting arrested? It doesn't sound like an accident, unless you it was and she just happened to mention the dr apt, but that doesn't make sense either. :waitasec: I hope he is alive and with good people, but after all this time, why no sighting of him?

" I keep going back to DeDe's remark that anyone who knows anything about him should stay quiet "

Do you have a link for this statement ? Thanks...

All

 

[cluciano63]

" I keep going back to DeDe's remark that anyone who knows anything about him should stay quiet "

Do you have a link for this statement ? Thanks...

All

Wasn't this something Desiree said? Not sure where she got that...

 

[liz b.]

After 3 months... I just don't know...

However, given that the following federal agencies have been involved :

Department of Defense Investigative Services

DEA

ICE

Secret Service

I will venture to say that there is NOTHING, not one thing, about the principals in this case that is not known to LE.And has probably been known for a while...

As a retired federal employee, I was given a rigorous background check prior to being hired, and a security review was conducted every few years. I didn't have anywhere near a high security clearance either. These agencies are very,very thorough...

I have thought many different things about Kyron's fate, and I have tried to carefully follow his disappearance since the first day. And yet, I am honestly baffled.

 

[cluciano63]

I was thinking (again) about this as I was dozing...if Terri is guilty, I don't think there is any way she would remain quiet if Kyron is alive. She'd have to worry about whether he would stay alive/safe in order to clear her of this mess. And she'd have brought him back, with some made-up story about someone being abusive, etc.

If she is innocent, she might stay silent if she has told LE all she knows about Kyron yet has some culpability in the LS/MFH business.

But Terri quiet/guilty=Kyron not alive, I fear. She would know there is nothing she can do to save him, so she may as well try to save herself.

 

[Skully]

Just what I have observed from other cases, I think if he was put in water, he would have been found by now. If he was tossed off the side of a road once again, I think he would have been found or some part of him or clothing, would have been discovered. I say this because if it was an accident, she didn't have a lot of time to think about what to do with him.... If planned they had a good idea of the pings and debits and all the searches, I really think he would be found by now. I could be very wrong, but something in the back of my head is nagging to me that she may have handed him off. But wouldn't that leave behind some sort of trail? You have to have contact with a person if you are handing off a child. Do you make a call? Do you email? Do you simply talk to a friend who knows about these things and they do the dirty work? Is it possible that DeDe knew someone, who could get Kyron taken off her hands? These woman don't seem like murderers but if DeDe thought she was helping Kyron, not hurting him, would she be the person to make the contact? I am just throwing it out there, cause it is 3 months, and no one is talking and he hasn't surfaced, not even his cloths, a shoe, a bone, nothing. So I have to wonder if my first thoughts about this case was right and he was kidnapped by a person in the school or they made arrangements for him.... I check back every couple of days to see if there is anything new and he still is missing without a trace.

Just a note: A woman found her kids on Facebook. Her husband took them like 15 years ago, and they are trying to reunite. The mom lived in CA and the dad took them to FL. I live in FL, they were one county over from me. So you never know. The dad told the kids that mom died, then told them she left them for another man. They never looked for her, because they hated her for leaving. The were small and believed their dad. I don't think this is anyway similar to this case, but if he was passed off, he could be anywhere.

 

[cluciano63]

But there' s been no sign of Haleigh either...in 18+ months...so I am not sure that the fact that no sign of Kyron has surfaced is a good sign...

 

[Skully]

But there' s been no sign of Haleigh either...in 18+ months...so I am not sure that the fact that no sign of Kyron has surfaced is a good sign...

I know but Haleigh was throw into a river that is infested with crabs, and fish that would make a body disappear in a shot time. We also have the gators, even though it was February they could have still done some damage. The St. John River flows fast and even if a small body was weighted down, the crabs destroy most of it. I don't know much about the water ways in OR, or the surrounding area, but here is FL it is easy to dig because the soil is mostly sand. I don't know if it is a good sign or a bad sign, I just hope he is alive and someone has him under the understanding they are giving him a proper home. I don't think KH ever hurt his kids, but TH may have used that as a rouse to get someone to take him. I still can't for the life of me think of why she would do that, but you never know.

 

[just]

DeDe isn't a landscaper.

"Investigators looking into the disappearance of Kyron Horman have searched Spicher's Tualatin condo, the garden property where she was working June 4, and her aunt's address as they seek to determine Spicher's movements the day Kyron disappeared. Kyron was last seen at Skyline School the morning of June 4.

Spicher most recently had obtained a gardening internship. Wishert also said Spicher on the side started her own house-sitting and pet-sitting service. "

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/articl...-stepmom-friend-in-kyron-horman-case/19589284

Landscapers and gardeners have access to shovels, tools, chemicals and know the area. You're not splitting hairs over if she was a gardener or landscaper, are you?