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[Indigo]

I've been thinking about the duct tape too. A frequent way a parent kills a child (premeditated) is to smother them. So what if the duct tape were wrapped around the head twice, so as to make sure the mouth and the nose were covered? It would mean she didn't have to stop and tear or cut the tape so much.

So chloroform could have been applied to put Caylee out, then duct tape to cover her mouth and nose. She would have died within minutes, no blood or muss to explain.

I keep thinking of the description LE gave of the tape. They said it was keeping the mouth taped shut. To me, it sounds like the tape was wound around the entire circumference of the head, but covering only the mouth area. A small child wouldn't be able to remove tape that had been applied in such a manner.

The tape (if mouth covered only) makes sense to me if Caylee was still alive and Casey was afraid she'd scream. Taking this a step further, Casey could easily have prevented this by using her own hand to cover Caylee's mouth. That's why I believe she probably chloroformed Caylee first, applied the duct tape, then left Caylee alone, perhaps to drown in the water.

 

[BlOnDe_GuRrL]

Orange County Sheriff's investigators thought yesterday that they would be clearing the scene that day but more evidence was found Wednesday evening.

When the sheriff's office is ready to announce the identity of the body, they will so at their office and not at the crime scene.

wow... so they know... but aren't announcing it yet.. ???

 

[mysteriew]

I keep thinking of the description LE gave of the tape. They said it was keeping the mouth taped shut. To me, it sounds like the tape was wound around the entire circumference of the head, but covering only the mouth area. A small child wouldn't be able to remove tape that had been applied in such a manner.

The tape (if mouth covered only) makes sense to me if Caylee was still alive and Casey was afraid she'd scream. Taking this a step further, Casey could easily have prevented this by using her own hand to cover Caylee's mouth. That's why I believe she probably chloroformed Caylee first, applied the duct tape, then left Caylee alone, perhaps to drown in the water.

For some reason I just feel she was more "hands on". I thinl she made sure Caylee died at her hands.

 

[Lexington]

Didn't George tell LE (maybe the FBI?) that he wrote down everything so that he could keep his story straight...or something to that effect? Maybe they took George's "how to keep my story straight" notebook.

Yes, I remember GA talking about the notebook he kept. I thought it very telling at the time. Pretty sure it was the FBI he told.

 

[Indigo]

For some reason I just feel she was more "hands on". I thinl she made sure Caylee died at her hands.

The tape is an important clue that will help LE determine the scenario one way or another and your theory is entirely possible. Casey is made of ice. But I see her as more of a "avoid all of the unpleasantries--don't get too messy" kind of a girl. Along these lines, Casey's computer searches for "death" might show that she wasn't sure how to determine when death actually occurred or the signs to look for. Leaving an unconscious person in the water for a really long time would be a no-brainer--Casey's style, JMO.

 

[BonKai]

Authorities also said the body was dumped shortly after the slaying.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18306094/detail.html



Does this mean the body wasn't moved ?

Bolded by me.

I have the same question. There were theories on JVM or NG last night about the body being moved there. I sure hope LE can prove it one way or the other.

 

[BonKai]

I should go back and find it for myself, but I'm at work right now.

I'm wondering if they recovered duct tape from KC's car once it was taken by LE. Does anyone know off hand? TIA!

Also, I wonder if they have gone back to KC's friends' places for duct tape and trash bags? (TonE, Ricardo, etc)

 

[Silly Me]

I would like to know why the duct tape was wrapped all around the head? This makes no sense to me. If you want to shut a child up wouldn't you just put the duct tape around the mouth. I have watched countless of movies where duct tape is used and I have never seen the tape wrapped around the entire head. This baffles me.

Don't know if anyone has answered this yet, but I took it to meant around the mouth area, but the whole way around the back if the head/neck. I don't think that they meant to imply "mummy style"

 

[karen7868]

I find the sprayers interesting, as if they suspect possibly bleach, or another cleaning agent was used in them in an attempt to destroy or hide evidence. I cannot fathom what else they might be used for. I almost wonder if they were not taken to build a case against CA and GA? Any one else have that thought?

The pesticide sprayers are very interesting. IIRC, didn't Geoge spray a chemical (lye/caustic) on the lawn to keep protesters off the property (by burning their feet)?

I do remember hearing he used to work for a pesticide company but had quit due to a workers' comp. injury.

Did KC spray the caustic (bleach) on the body to kill maggots and speed up the decomposition?

Did they also find a pink ponytail holder in the bag, which was how they so quickly identified the body to be a female?

 

[JADEPRINCESS]

A copy of the 30 day script was in the bag? Like many of you, nothing would surprise me at this point.

I remember, George took extensive notes on a yellow legal pad during his interragations, thats probably the notebooks/notes.

 

[njustice]

I'm disturbed at the recent reports that they've found teeth scattered throughout the woods and I'm trying to understand what that may mean. Shouldn't the teeth still be intact? And what does this say about the reports about the duct tape around the mouth? Scratching my head on this one.

 

[Susanlee]

LOL. I never had one until this case and I have been a member here for a couple of days or so. Sometimes it's hard to check ones words.

So true! And wanted to tell you I love your posts..you have such great insight into so many things. I am more of a lurker, but your wise words never go unnoticed.

 

[thelmadawg]

I'm pretty sure I heard this. If so, it's a great piece of additional evidence. Say, the first bag leaked in the trunk. KC pulls into garage on or about the 18th (shovel incident). KC sprays pesticide on, perhaps in and around the bag, then puts another bag around the first, more duct tape. Some pesticide residue might have thusly been preserved because of the double bagging, and a reason LE took the sprayers. Definite link to KC and A home, if so.

 

[zoey]

IIRC, the script also was to direct kc what to say to LE when she talked to them.....she never talked to them during that time frame.....

 

[MiraclesHappen]

I'm disturbed at the recent reports that they've found teeth scattered throughout the woods and I'm trying to understand what that may mean. Shouldn't the teeth still be intact? And what does this say about the reports about the duct tape around the mouth? Scratching my head on this one.

It could be Mother Nature's work. The individual teeth might be intact, even if not found together. Some may be in fragments. We have to wait and see.:blowkiss:

 

[mysteriew]

Don't know if anyone has answered this yet, but I took it to meant around the mouth area, but the whole way around the back if the head/neck. I don't think that they meant to imply "mummy style"

I don't know about gaffer's tape, but duct tape is 3-4 inches wide. So I guess it might be possible that one strip of tape would be enough.

 

[indicat]

In the movies, usually a strip is placed over the mouth. In actual crime scenes, the tape is often wrapped tightly around the head/over the hair-- that's how it's most effectively done. IMO, the wrapping means it was done with specific purpose. Or, if it was staging, it was smart staging.-- ie not following the Hollywood-style kidnapping template.

That brings to mind, is KC smart that way? I say NO. If she was staging she would have done it the way she has seen it done in movies...her motives are much more sinister as sad as that is.

 

[Shar824]

This thought has me completely baffled. Would there not have been a strong decomp smell coming from the woods as well if she was placed there within a few days from actual death?

I believe one of the TV stations spoke with the residents along that area and they said that they did smell something dead, but thought it was an animal, and therefore really didn't pay attention to it.

 

[impatientredhead]

I'm disturbed at the recent reports that they've found teeth scattered throughout the woods and I'm trying to understand what that may mean. Shouldn't the teeth still be intact? And what does this say about the reports about the duct tape around the mouth? Scratching my head on this one.

Baby teeth do not have the same root structure as adult teeth, I don't think them being loose and scattered is surprising. The tape would not hold them in place as it would only block the exit one direction, sorry to be graphic, but they wouldn't have to come out what use to be her mouth.

 

[impatientredhead]

I believe one of the TV stations spoke with the residents along that area and they said that they did smell something dead, but thought it was an animal, and therefore really didn't pay attention to it.

That is what I saw as well, and that this is a frequent burial spot for pets (probably some of the bones they are finding), that combined with there not being a missing child during that time window it was noticed but dismissed. Had someone known there was a missing toddler in the neighborhood they probably would have been more curious about the source.