Letters to Casey from Cindy and George

[RR0004]

Seems that ICA would have been a little more hesitant to return to the house after CA had left for work ... just on the odd chance that CA would stop by the house at some point during the day while she was out and about on business calls.

You're reading my mind.

 

[RR0004]

According to Cindy's brother, Rick, it was not just a fight. He claims that George threw his own father through a plate-glass window. I have never seen anything proving this, but I believe this is what most are assuming could be the cause of legal trouble for George. If true, it was in Ohio many years ago before the Anthonys moved to Florida and as far as I know George has never had any legal problems in Florida.

...except someone had claimed that there was a specific reason that George left LE...and it wasn't Cindy.

Sorry...just an FYI...and no, they didn't state what the reason was...just that the family had a history.

 

[RR0004]

Hmmm, yes, I recall reading that somewhere as well. I wonder, if he was charged and convicted would that make him have to resign as LE? Would a misdemeanor assault do it, or would it take a felony.

This is very interesting. As I said, I recall reading about throwing his father through a window (at a car dealership the father owned as I recall) but not that there were criminal charges/father pressed charges. GA's reference to a court case while talking to ICA sure is interesting.

...except that all happened AFTER he left LE...and now it leaves me curious and curiouser. : )

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

...except that all happened AFTER he left LE...and now it leaves me curious and curiouser. : )

Oh, you're right. Didn't GA sell cars after leaving LE but before the A's left Ohio? I think that is right.

So, exactly why did GA give up being a Detective, and a Homicide Detective at that? My understanding has always been that a HD is higher level to attain and all.

Curious and curiouser indeed.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

.....and it certainly sounds like he did something that landed him in court when he discusses 'what I did what I did' doesn't exactly sound like he is discussing Lee's DUI or similar does it?

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

So, my fellow sleuthers. What did GA do, and, when (and where) did he do it? That is the question.

 

[gitana1]

There are several penmanship methods which appear "feminine". The method taught in schools in the late 1950s-1960s (Palmer Method) when George learned definitely had a feminine flair. Older styles from earlier centuries are even more feminine in appearance.

Take a look at these penmanship styles:

http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/nichols_business_guide.htm

http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/penmanship2.htm

One can see these writing styles in old documents. It was quite common for men and women to have these "feminine" looking letters in former days.

I agree, though, George's handwriting is more stylistic than that of most men's nowadays.

His handwriting does not look like a feminine "style" to me. It just looks like a young girl's handwriting like many 20 year old girls. I don't think it relates to Catholic school or penmanship from the 50's or anything like that. Usually, the small details do not interest me much and sometimes seem reaching to me. But here, I actually think GA's writing style says something in this case - something about that family and their roles and how they got to where they are today. GA is like a lot of husband's of women with borderline personality disorder and/or Munchausen/Munchausen by Proxy. Weak, very passive, ineffectual as a husband, a protector of his children, or as a man with his own identity/self worth. Cindy tells him to quit his solid LE job, pension, etc., and he does it. She tells him how to talk about casey to the media or LE, and he does it. It's classic and sad because I don't think he's an evil person at all. I feel for him. But he needs to finally stand up for Caylee, himself, Lee, even casey, by stopping the nonsense and busting the myth his family have created that all is well. Of all the Anthonys, I think he is the likeliest to actually do this. Unlikely, yes, but I think he does have it within him somewhere down deep.

Thanks for helping me with the links.

I do not believe that George or Lee molested Casey. I think it is something Casey has seen on an episode of One Tree Hill or video once and she thinks the abuse excuse will garner her sympathy.

The thing is how does Casey think she will get normal hard working taxpaying members of the jury, that are brothers , dads, moms or sisters of little baby girls to imagine that she left her child , daily, with her molester to endanger Caylee being abused? By all accounts mom and pop watched Caylee 98 percent of the time and the would be Zanny only on rare occasions. Ask any sexually abused child how often their children are alone with the abuser. NEVER!!!

News flash love, that topic does not even come up in the guilt or innocence phase of the trial. The fact that you are planting seeds for the inevitable guilty verdict penalty phase is a red flag.

I think George is a lot of sad things that I would not respect, but this one I am not buying. Cindy Anthony had no glue on her shoes, and there is no way in the world he was the breadwinner and she felt trapped. She would have told him to get the hell out and she would have milked that drama for mom , pop, brothers and friends to shower her with support for many years. She would light up like a Christmas tree from all the attention and sympathy. She tossed him out on his butt over a lot less.

Cindy better get wise, get a helmet or both. She is next. Casey has no limits and clearly they do hate one another. Every single thing Cindy said in every letter was a jab, you know the kind of compliment you get from the jealous co worker when you get promoted over her, a thinly veiled snarky remark. Congratulations on your promotion, it must be nice to be the boss's favorite...implying maybe there is a reason for that favoritism. The kind of remark you just wink at, and let their imagination run wild are you denying or admitting. LOL!! That is what Cindy is doing times one hundred, she knows which buttons to push, oh the sun and surf we are enjoying. Everyone loves me, everyone writes to me, me, me, me, enough about me, when are you going to write to ME? One sentence about Casey's only sibling. Lee has a turtle. Now back to me.

The FBI agent nailed it in the first five minutes of talking to her. He explained to George that when Cindy answered his written profile questions about Casey her answers defied reality. She answered that Casey was responsible, honest, trusted, careful, etc. despite the two hours they spent detailing every thing she had told LE had been systematically proven to be false, one hundred percent of it. Scott, ( I believe it was Scott) told George, Cindy has a distinct need to appear that SHE was a good mother, so by extension Casey has to have been a good mother, as it reflects on Cindy's sense of self. Cindy detailed for him how she raised her kids, giving them two baths a day while they were potty training, packing their snacks, cleaning their toys,ever mindful never to raise her voice to them. None of this had anything to do with the price of tea in China, but Cindy was confusing her mothering with Casey's mothering. Much like Cindy calls Caylee Cays ( which makes me sick) and tells how similar she is to Casey that she will have the same teachers and do the same things. She even said something to the effect of it was as if we get a second chance , a second opportunity to raise Casey again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-3ex6v1Fa8 three minute mark is some of it

It is imperative for Cindy to appear to be a good mother. Remember this is the lady that brings a seven month, totally showing , pregnant child to a family wedding and denies she is expecting, oh no not my child, my child is a virgin, Brother, are you gonna believe me or your, mom's , dad's, your lovely bride's and low these two hundred guests' lying eyes?View attachment 9910 ( The photo is soooo representative of Anthyonics, her tummy could not be more protruding if she were kidding around with a beach ball under her dress. What a classic. You can't make this stuff up!)

In spite of the world falling in around her, she still believes she somehow comes off as an elegant, lovely, smart, concerned grandmother when she does these TV appearances. It is all about Cindy, all the time.

She hates Casey for what she did to Caylee, she has called her an unfit mother forever, according to what Casey told Lee. She has resented her for a long while, but now that she took the one thing that Cindy truly felt love from, her relationship with Caylee, now she wants to punish her and will do so every single chance she gets. She may not even realize it , but in my opinion this is what is going on.

Cindy is one of those people that needs pain and drama to feel alive. If she were to move away to somewhere quiet and new, she would make herself notorious in the new town in no time. Casey is just a Cindy Jr. in stripper boots.

She could have remained private as Lee has. She chooses this life she has, make no mistake about it. Once Lee has a baby, Casey will be lucky to get a letter once a year, unless it is on Caylee's anniversary and there are at least two news cameras to memorialize her trip , stroller in tow with the replacement baby for the photo, while she delivers it to the new post office near her, new, much grander home she bought with her media rights. That is the photo she'll want Casey to see on the news accounts. I have got her number, one doesn't need to be a psychologist. You may very easily predict her future behavior by her past behavior, self absorbed narcissism and feeling powerful by being cruel to others. Lee , the best advice I could give you is still what it was two years ago. Son, grab your girl and get the hell out of dodge. Do what mom and pop do. Say you'll write.
MOO

This is a brilliant post. Very insightful, I think. I just had to quote you!

By the way, I thought Mallory was pregnant. Whatever happened with that? Wasn't she showing at the memorial for Caylee or am I just confused?

 

[gitana1]

Nothing would surprise me...

But I do believe something horrible happened to Casey. She does have lots of the issues I would expect from an incest survivor.

I do hope I am wrong and that George & Lee never touched her inappropriately. But I do fear that her father did.

Count me as one of those who believes this is an outright lie. We don't need to look far to see why casey is the way she is. She doesn't come across as an incest survivor, but rather, as a sociopath and probably other personality disorders as well. She was given such conflicting messages, growing up, IMO. She's the princess and perfect - but at the same time she's always disappointing Mommy and is a "bad" girl. Those messages are typical, in my experience, from borderline mothers. They must convey an image of absolute perfection and harmony to the outside world. They have perfect wonderful kids. They can get almost violent if an outsider criticizes their kids. As an extension of themselves, the kids can do no wrong, when it comes to what anyone else says.
But in the privacy of the home, these kids live a nightmare of constant head games, criticism, punishment and control that completely lacks logic or fairness. Because, also as an extension of herself, the children of the borderline are as rotten as her inner voices tell her she is.
You know, this allegation came around the same time we learned of the extensive work the defense has been doing to find mitigating factors. I'm sure AL impressed upon casey the necessity of finding reasons why if she did indeed hurt her child, she should be excused. Then, voila! Letters pointing to her family as perps. That's probably why the defense did not fight to keep them sealed. The molestation allegations are exactly what they wanted for their case.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I agree, count me in too....the molestation accusation is false, and she has said this to make an excuse for herself and at the same time stick it to George and Lee. I think its despicable. George's letter sounded like an authentic reaction of shock and anger to me. I would also like to see George start to stand up for Caylee instead of this nonsense.

 

[butterfly1978]

How many times have we seen molestation used as an excuse in a murder case, but look at all the people in the world who do not become murderers. Im sorry but having a troubled childhood, being molested, and all that does not make someone murder. It just doesnt. Casey is the way Casey is because she has never been held accountable for anything she is a pathological liar, self absorbed Narcassist who has been having a power struggle with her mom since the day she was born.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

How many times have we seen molestation used as an excuse in a murder case, but look at all the people in the world who do not become murderers. Im sorry but having a troubled childhood, being molested, and all that does not make someone murder. It just doesnt. Casey is the way Casey is because she has never been held accountable for anything she is a pathological liar, self absorbed Narcassist who has been having a power struggle with her mom since the day she was born.

I totally agree...Casey Anthony is doing what every inmate does. She's claiming she was abused as a child, and converting to Christianity.

She has pretty much destroyed her family with her actions, and for whatever reason they still support her (!!) and in my opinion, as long as they continue to support her she will continue to cause them harm.

Lee's got the right idea here....he got away.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEYYH7dex2A&playnext_from=TL&videos=iEg-FeBHWGU&feature=sub[/ame]

Also I noticed something I hadn't before on this today....At the 0:43 mark when Lee gives her a high-five, he doesn't even really look at her, he's already turning away from her as he's doing it.....looks like he can't stand the sight of her even then.

 

[The World According]

Shifting a bit here, but what about the professional background of Cindy A. Is she an RN with a college degree? Anybody know about her education? This family is strikingly uneducated so I wonder about her qualifications.

:Welcome-12-june::Welcome-12-june::Welcome-12-june::Welcome-12-june:

"Stickingly uneducated" and emotionally unintelligent.
Welcome here!!

 

[The World According]

Count me as one of those who believes this is an outright lie. We don't need to look far to see why casey is the way she is. She doesn't come across as an incest survivor, but rather, as a sociopath and probably other personality disorders as well. She was given such conflicting messages, growing up, IMO. She's the princess and perfect - but at the same time she's always disappointing Mommy and is a "bad" girl. Those messages are typical, in my experience, from borderline mothers. They must convey an image of absolute perfection and harmony to the outside world. They have perfect wonderful kids. They can get almost violent if an outsider criticizes their kids. As an extension of themselves, the kids can do no wrong, when it comes to what anyone else says.
But in the privacy of the home, these kids live a nightmare of constant head games, criticism, punishment and control that completely lacks logic or fairness. Because, also as an extension of herself, the children of the borderline are as rotten as her inner voices tell her she is.
You know, this allegation came around the same time we learned of the extensive work the defense has been doing to find mitigating factors. I'm sure AL impressed upon casey the necessity of finding reasons why if she did indeed hurt her child, she should be excused. Then, voila! Letters pointing to her family as perps. That's probably why the defense did not fight to keep them sealed. The molestation allegations are exactly what they wanted for their case.

Gitana, I look at the jail logs and see the long hours upon hours the specialists visit with Casey ,and I
agree , alone in her cell for 23 hours a day, Casey takes that ball and runs with it. Cindy reminds me of Joan Crawford. Oh the beautiful, amazing dresses and cute outfits she would dress Christina and her brother in for the Life magazine spreads. Looking only at the photos, America saw her as a wonderful lady to adopt these two children and imagined how fortunate the children are. Little did anyone know that the poor child was having the crap beat out of her behind closed doors over something as ridiculous as hanging the dress on a wire hanger.

 

[The World According]

I totally agree...Casey Anthony is doing what every inmate does. She's claiming she was abused as a child, and converting to Christianity.

She has pretty much destroyed her family with her actions, and for whatever reason they still support her (!!) and in my opinion, as long as they continue to support her she will continue to cause them harm.

Lee's got the right idea here....he got away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEYYH7dex2A&playnext_from=TL&videos=iEg-FeBHWGU&feature=sub

Also I noticed something I hadn't before on this today....At the 0:43 mark when Lee gives her a high-five, he doesn't even really look at her, he's already turning away from her as he's doing it.....looks like he can't stand the sight of her even then.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb6wPSfCTrk[/ame]

Local defense expert Richard Hornsby
"That is going to be the most damaging thing to Casey's defense.
Her own family is essentially going to be called upon to systematically assassinate her character.
They are boxed in. If the answer doesn't come out. The prosecutor is going to say turn to page ten, look at line twelve. Didn't I ask you this question in the deposition? Didn't you give this answer? It is the defense attorney's worst nightmare!"

 

[pcrum12]

Good for Lee that he did not indulge in this PR stunt of writing letters. Mallory's high hopes and romanticized image of a endearing brother sister relationship aside, Lee's absence in the courtroom, each and every time, without exception, is in my opinion, public ,overt and it says loud and clear...I am not with you, you are on your own sis. He knows Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. If you don't believe me, review Mark Furhman's account of his lengthy talks with Lee.IIRC He pretty much empties the bucket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyMjA2XVRH4

Wish I could open these attachments --- do you have a direct link to the furman file? TIA

 

[strawberry]

Shifting a bit here, but what about the professional background of Cindy A. Is she an RN with a college degree? Anybody know about her education? This family is strikingly uneducated so I wonder about her qualifications.

IIRC, she went to a three year nursing school, but George did get a BS. I think this is in their state depositions. I always thought the same, that they didn't seem very educated and wondered why they didn't encourage Lee and KC to go to college (hard to do if you don't graduate HS, I know). But hey, CA is making up for that by sending KC to law school!!

 

[nachomama]

IIRC, she went to a three year nursing school, but George did get a BS. I think this is in their state depositions. I always thought the same, that they didn't seem very educated and wondered why they didn't encourage Lee and KC to go to college (hard to do if you don't graduate HS, I know). But hey, CA is making up for that by sending KC to law school!!

BBM

I have to say that I chuckled when I read your post cause GEORGE and BS
just to go together soooooo well

 

[TallyHo]

His handwriting does not look like a feminine "style" to me. It just looks like a young girl's handwriting like many 20 year old girls. I don't think it relates to Catholic school or penmanship from the 50's or anything like that. Usually, the small details do not interest me much and sometimes seem reaching to me. But here, I actually think GA's writing style says something in this case - something about that family and their roles and how they got to where they are today. GA is like a lot of husband's of women with borderline personality disorder and/or Munchausen/Munchausen by Proxy. Weak, very passive, ineffectual as a husband, a protector of his children, or as a man with his own identity/self worth. Cindy tells him to quit his solid LE job, pension, etc., and he does it. She tells him how to talk about casey to the media or LE, and he does it. It's classic and sad because I don't think he's an evil person at all. I feel for him. But he needs to finally stand up for Caylee, himself, Lee, even casey, by stopping the nonsense and busting the myth his family have created that all is well. Of all the Anthonys, I think he is the likeliest to actually do this. Unlikely, yes, but I think he does have it within him somewhere down deep.



This is a brilliant post. Very insightful, I think. I just had to quote you!

By the way, I thought Mallory was pregnant. Whatever happened with that? Wasn't she showing at the memorial for Caylee or am I just confused?

BBM - the first thing I noticed about George's handwriting was that it looks very much like Casey's. And I thought it was a little creepy when he wrote "I need us" to his daughter. I really do not think he ever molested her, but there is something a little creepy going on here. I've never seen that phrase used other than in a romantic context.

 

[strawberry]

BBM

I have to say that I chuckled when I read your post cause GEORGE and BS
just to go together soooooo well

HAHA the irony IS rich. That's funny cuz now I'm thinking it may have been a BA.

 

[LambChop]

Does it appear obvious that the only person holding this family together has been KC? KC had Caylee and there now became a reason to keep her from leaving home. No one contacted the bio dad to see if he was even interested in this child which was not in the best interest of the child. GA clearly sees that if CA does not get what she wants, which apparently is her daughter back in the household, then his days are numbered. All CA wants is to get KC out, move away to a smaller town and seclude themselves from the outside world. GA is "working" KC to get her to give CA what she wants....visitation. GA is about what CA wants. I doubt if he would ever do anything to upset CA's apple cart, including being inappropriate with his daughter. jmo