Letters to Casey from Cindy and George

[RR0004]

Could Cindy be so forgiving because she believes whatever happened was an accident? The more I read about the dynamics of this mother/daughter relationship the more I wonder if this was an accident gone very, very bad. Not to say that drugging your child isn't a crime, but maybe in Cindy's mind it wasn't meant to kill.

 

[RR0004]

You are probably right.
But what about the position of the Prosecution in this matter?
All letters/communications to and from Inmates is supposed to go through the jail first and be read, and made sure that there is nothing illegal in the seams of the envelopes or cards or imprinted into the paper or the stamp.
This is still an open investigation.
What if the accused is writing things that are important to the case, which nobody has access to?

At this point, I do believe a formal reprimand is in order. Sadly, we'll never know about the secret communication(s).

 

[LambChop]

KC only has contact with JB so if she wrote a letter that had important information in it....JB would be doing the "flushy, flushy" thing. He would not have delivered the letter to anyone. jmo

 

[strawberry]

I just went back and read Cindy's depo with M and M...she states she is a nurse manager...and when questioned whether she's a home health nurse...she states again..."I'm a nurse manager". Now the interesting thing that I found (and kinda remember) is that the Custodian of Records for Gentiva was on the State's witness list back in 1/09. Now I'll have to take a look and see if the Custodian is still on the current one. But, why Cindy's work records? Is the State just trying to protect Cindy in case the defense claims she could have been somewhere other than where she was supposed to be? Is it something more obvious? Maybe it's not only George who should be worried. Just how angry is Casey?

Depo: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5345644/Casey-Anthony-Cindy-Anthony-deposition-in-the-ZFG-civil-case

pgs. 10-11

I think it has to do with establishing that she was at work when certain things happened such as computer searches.

 

[gitana1]

Could Cindy be so forgiving because she believes whatever happened was an accident? The more I read about the dynamics of this mother/daughter relationship the more I wonder if this was an accident gone very, very bad. Not to say that drugging your child isn't a crime, but maybe in Cindy's mind it wasn't meant to kill.

What about the computer searches for missing children and chloroform and ways to kill people, shovels, etc., months before Caylee went missing. IMO this was no accident. casey was looking for a way out for a long time and her jealousy and anger towards her mom and Caylee simmered during that time. Something finally made her so desperate and angry that she decided that was the time and she did it.

 

[ThinkTank]

I worry about anything JB did/does that will "toss" him off the case and HHJP will not be a happy camper if this happens. So far it appears JB has skirted the jail rules. If he got/gets a "back room" reprimand and we don't hear about, that's ok. If HHJP is racking up the points against JB, that's ok too.

Eventually that ol' thing called Karma will catch up to JB and bite him where the sun don't shine and JB won't know what it was.

I agree. Judge Perry would be VERY unhappy with the attorney who caused the delay, by his inappropriate behavior. I believe Judge Perry will run a tight ship and make sure that everything is done ethically and above board, and there are NO grounds for any reversal of anything done while Judge Perry is in charge.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

If the jail considered passing letters to inmates via their attorneys an acceptable common practice they would not have posted extra signs warning not to do that.

If Casey is convicted and chooses to charge her attorney with incompetence, the fact that he assisted her in this illegal activity would strengthen the argument for incompetence.

Everything in this case is important. As is repeated so often, it is a death penalty case. MOO

 

[5stars]

My response on #540 was to #464 The World According.What a post ,nailed so many layers to this family.

 

[LambChop]

Has anyone seen this letter yet? From Cindy... stating she received bad news from Jose/Mason??

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/0625/24039254.pdf

ETA: Page 329 (sorry about that...)

Cindy did not write this, it was George. He mentions Why destroy your mother.

 

[CuriousTwo]

If the jail considered passing letters to inmates via their attorneys an acceptable common practice they would not have posted extra signs warning not to do that.

If Casey is convicted and chooses to charge her attorney with incompetence, the fact that he assisted her in this illegal activity would strengthen the argument for incompetence.

Everything in this case is important. As is repeated so often, it is a death penalty case. MOO

Hope I'm not OT, but ... can a convicted felon charge one member of her defense legal team with incompetence? If attorneys are working as a team, wouldn't she have to claim that the entire team was incompetent?

 

[Amil]

What about the computer searches for missing children and chloroform and ways to kill people, shovels, etc., months before Caylee went missing. IMO this was no accident. casey was looking for a way out for a long time and her jealousy and anger towards her mom and Caylee simmered during that time. Something finally made her so desperate and angry that she decided that was the time and she did it.

I thought the computer sleuths determined that it was George who did those searches.

 

[TinaD]

I thought the computer sleuths determined that it was George who did those searches.

I don't recall anything to that effect (may be just a senior's moment!). Can you point me to where that has been established please?

 

[RR0004]

What about the computer searches for missing children and chloroform and ways to kill people, shovels, etc., months before Caylee went missing. IMO this was no accident. casey was looking for a way out for a long time and her jealousy and anger towards her mom and Caylee simmered during that time. Something finally made her so desperate and angry that she decided that was the time and she did it.

Computer searches about missing children were after Caylee went "missing"...chloroform for knocking out Caylee...household weapons...ya got me there. But, Cindy probably has a very good explanation.

 

[RR0004]

I thought the computer sleuths determined that it was George who did those searches.

Shine the bat light and maybe BJB can chime in.

 

[Intermezzo]

I thought the computer sleuths determined that it was George who did those searches.

perhaps you're thinking of the the searches for Escort Services

 

[magic-cat]

I dont think it ever was determined whom had maede the chloroform searches...but Cindy lied in an interview and claimed it was her. George probably did the escort searches. KC likely did ALL the others...Bond?

 

[Chiquita71]

Really? I always thought it sounded rather weird and bizarre in the beginning during the family visits that she kept coming up with various reasons why those "personal letters" to each family member hadn't been finished yet, but she was working on them when she had time (what the heck did she have keeping her so busy??)

That is why I always made the assumption that she just plain doesn't want to contact them......in person or on paper.

It is so interesting hearing different opinions and ideas about this.

Quote Respect Luv4kids

I am with ya...I am confused. From Casey's letters to Robyn(in the beginning)she is says she misses her "momma, mommy" and speaks like she is right on top of what is going on with the family. Of course that could be just jose giving her info and she was never writing back. If she never wrote back, all the "i love my mamma" stuff could have been for Robyn's sake, Casey's ability to take on other people's ideas, and if Robyn was speaking of love and contact between her and her family Casey might have just been fitting in.

But, other letters Casey is done with her family. She feels they have betrayed her, especially Cindy. ???

From George and Cindy's letters it seems that Casey did not write to them. I agree with WSers who say the letters seem one sided, like they were not responding to actual letters sent by Casey. And, from what I have read, I think George shows the most that they were not getting the contact from Casey they wanted.

We know Casey canceled a meeting with George. I don't think she wanted to speak to her parents. Some have said it was JB that wanted her not to contact her parents, but some say that AL would want it to look like her family supported her...or some say it is better if it looks like they are bad parents so that AL can use that to save Casey from the DP.

I know if I read more, I will understand what is going on more...but from my reading of as late...I am confused. We have a thread called "the rift between the family" where WS was discussing whether or not the whole "letter" passing between Cindy and George to Casey was/is all a part of the plan of the defense. Who knows? No really, I am asking...does anyone understand this: cause I don't.

TIA.

...js...

 

[LinasK]

Quote Respect Luv4kids

I am with ya...I am confused. From Casey's letters to Robyn(in the beginning)she is says she misses her "momma, mommy" and speaks like she is right on top of what is going on with the family. Of course that could be just jose giving her info and she was never writing back. If she never wrote back, all the "i love my mamma" stuff could have been for Robyn's sake, Casey's ability to take on other people's ideas, and if Robyn was speaking of love and contact between her and her family Casey might have just been fitting in.

But, other letters Casey is done with her family. She feels they have betrayed her, especially Cindy. ???

From George and Cindy's letters it seems that Casey did not write to them. I agree with WSers who say the letters seem one sided, like they were not responding to actual letters sent by Casey. And, from what I have read, I think George shows the most that they were not getting the contact from Casey they wanted.

We know Casey canceled a meeting with George. I don't think she wanted to speak to her parents. Some have said it was JB that wanted her not to contact her parents, but some say that AL would want it to look like her family supported her...or some say it is better if it looks like they are bad parents so that AL can use that to save Casey from the DP.

I know if I read more, I will understand what is going on more...but from my reading of as late...I am confused. We have a thread called "the rift between the family" where WS was discussing whether or not the whole "letter" passing between Cindy and George to Casey was/is all a part of the plan of the defense. Who knows? No really, I am asking...does anyone understand this: cause I don't.

TIA.

...js...

I honestly don't believe any of the letters were written with the intention of the general public and WS in particular to be read (i.e. I don't believe this was a defense plan. If it was, it was a very stupid one: 1) it shows that the real reason George & Cindy don't visit Casey is NOT because of the big, bad meany Jose Baez, but in reality that Casey doesn't want to see them. 2) it exposes that Casey can write prolifically to her buddies, but does not write to her family, 3) it exposes the contraband letter passing and other items, that we long suspected. None of the above humanizes Casey, only when she is forced by AL to look at her parents in court...
I don't think any of the Anthony family thought about Florida's Sunshine Laws when they wrote their letters because there are letters about how the guards aren't allowed to read their mail, and real emotions are expressed.

 

[Luv4kids]

Quote Respect Luv4kids

I am with ya...I am confused. From Casey's letters to Robyn(in the beginning)she is says she misses her "momma, mommy" and speaks like she is right on top of what is going on with the family. Of course that could be just jose giving her info and she was never writing back. If she never wrote back, all the "i love my mamma" stuff could have been for Robyn's sake, Casey's ability to take on other people's ideas, and if Robyn was speaking of love and contact between her and her family Casey might have just been fitting in.

But, other letters Casey is done with her family. She feels they have betrayed her, especially Cindy. ???

From George and Cindy's letters it seems that Casey did not write to them. I agree with WSers who say the letters seem one sided, like they were not responding to actual letters sent by Casey. And, from what I have read, I think George shows the most that they were not getting the contact from Casey they wanted.

We know Casey canceled a meeting with George. I don't think she wanted to speak to her parents. Some have said it was JB that wanted her not to contact her parents, but some say that AL would want it to look like her family supported her...or some say it is better if it looks like they are bad parents so that AL can use that to save Casey from the DP.

I know if I read more, I will understand what is going on more...but from my reading of as late...I am confused. We have a thread called "the rift between the family" where WS was discussing whether or not the whole "letter" passing between Cindy and George to Casey was/is all a part of the plan of the defense. Who knows? No really, I am asking...does anyone understand this: cause I don't.

TIA.

...js...

Chiquita, I don't understand any better than you do!

I have my own theory that Jose was passing letters from Cindy, George, and Lee (maybe others) to Casey, but that she was not really in the mood to respond. I think she has put them aside and would rather not bother with them.

I am sure Jose and his crew keeps Casey "up-to-date" on what is happening with the family, whether thru letters or whatever.

It seems like (from this last doc dump) Casey has never responded to her family in any way, shape, or form. I almost (and I said "almost") feel sorry for the way the family begs Casey for some sign of recognition. Like "please give me 2 seconds of eye contact."

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

This thread brings up an interesting question for me.

All indications point to the fact that JB was passing all (?) communication between Casey and her family for quite a period of time. If that is a true fact then isn't that conferring too much responsibility on him? He could have the opportunity to pick and choose which letters he approved or disapproved of to be passed. He would be in the position of limiting Casey's flow of information and knowledge base, wouldn't he? Wouldn't this be overstepping his boundaries?

I believe the circus atmosphere exists because the entire family is out of control and the legal team should guide them. Lord knows they need help in that area. But I'm not convinced that JB's end goal is really vested in Casey's (or the Anthonys') best interest. I don't think he should have ever been given the opportunity to oversee the passing of any kind of communications. It gives him too much control and the ability to twist and limit facts and emotions.

It's my belief that George and Cindy knew that these letters would eventually be made public. They exhausted all other means of communication before resorting solely to using the mail system. But I don't think everything they wrote was written specifically in an effort to impress the public. I think they tried to filter their words with that fact in mind but I believe they let a lot of their ugly and shallow motives slip through in spite of knowing it would probably go public.

In any case, the picture just becomes uglier and uglier, doesn't it?