long weekend break: discuss the latest here #101

[MsCharlieChan]

Oh this is new to me! What's bugging me now is the email sent to Lisa (crazy train derailed) why was that not evidence? Also, In Flores' report he notes that there is a record of the tire repairs. Is JM gonna wait until the penalty phase for that?

I read somewhere that neither of these were permitted by the judge. It's because neither were 1) reported to the police, and 2) proven to be initiated by Jodi.

Word is, there was another girlfriend in Travis' life who allegedly might have written Lisa that crazy email. Also, there was another ex-girlfriend with a jealous, estranged husband who allegedly could have slashed the tires.

Neither incident was on file as a police report, so they're considered too loosy-goosy to be used in a DP case, I guess.

 

[legalmania]

Witness testified that he sent her this book from Amazon:

Your Erroneous Zones: Step-by-Step Advice for Escaping the Trap of Negative Thinking and Taking Control of Your Life: Wayne W. Dyer: 9780060919764: Amazon.com: Books

Your Erroneous Zones: Step-by-Step Advice for Escaping the Trap of Negative Thinking and Taking Control of Your Life [Paperback]

I couldn't help but think about the movie What About Bob, I thought that movie was hilarious. What was the book baby steps? Can't remember.

 

[raisincharlie]

Viola! My results:



Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Screening Test


Your Score = 11
You are likely suffering from post traumatic stress; please contact us for more information

My Score = 4

You may have some post traumatic stress issues; please contact us for more information


:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

 

[McNEverest]

My guess is that he used the sink for support.

Yes!
This is gruesome to write but following the blood splatter expert and why I believe Travis was stabbed first in the chest, 62 seconds of life left after that.. Remember JA said Travis couldn't feel his legs and crawling on all fours in the ninja story?
Well lo and behold the ME report states there was blunt force trauma to Travis' knees.. IMO Travis was stabbed in chest once stepping out of the shower then Wham dropped on the floor tile to his knees; she started stabbing him again and he put up his hands, arms to block (hence all the blood splatter by tub and toilet areas with her slewing the knife).. next he pulls hisself up enough to get to the sink, she stabs him in the neck (blew out blood from front) OR slashed his throat at that point would still project blood forward on the sink.. Travis on all fours crawling down the hallway, out of juice now ends up at the carpet area bleeding out, camera shot taken there and then she dragged him back down the hallway and click in mind, have to shoot him to make it look like an intruder... JA flew into banshee mode to clean herself off in case a roommate showed up.. she was doing laundry if Anyone showed up.. and so on.. :twocents:

 

[Pensfan]

My Score = 4

You may be suffering from post traumatic stress; please contact us for more information


:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Let me ask you the questions and fill out the questionnaire for you (what Samuels did). If you want and have $250/hour, I bet you'll score much higher.

 

[legalmania]

Does the jury know the psychologist also sent Jodi cards?





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He did, like playing cards or Hallmark cards?

 

[borndem]

I don't know if this is common knowledge here or not but the DV expert has developed her own abuse continuum, loosely based on prior examples.

It's pretty handy to come up with examples of known or expected behaviors when you're controlling the definitions. JMO

Here it is if anyone's interested:
http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/docs/LaViolette_JCC.pdf


Hi, Pensfan! :seeya: Since you're here can I ask for your professional opinion?

I'm thinking, based on his testimony, there's a pretty decent chance this psychologist is afflicted with NPD. What say you? If you don't mind...lease:[/quote'

bbm
That may have been his "before this trial" dx, but not after... I'm willing to bet that he has not only lost weight during his time on the stand, but also his pumped-up self-esteem.

Please excuse, BritsKate, for my light-heartedness here, but I couldn't resist.

Thanks for the extra info on ALV -- It will be interesting to see/hear how she will present herself and her opinions to the jury... She does deal with very heavy subject matter -- one that is finally getting some heft and legitimacy to it. I hope she doesn't cheapen the subject matter and the long hard fight to have DV recognized as a true and sometimes deadly threat to the health of the true sufferers of DV.

Poor Samuels did, IMO, cheapen the genuine threat of PTSD in his testimony if Jodi is one of his actual examples of PTSD. His entire testimony angered me almost to tears.

Our war heroes -- anyone who went "over there" to do their duty, our dedicated safety officers, firemen, EMTs, armed service people here at home and the like do not deserve the treatment Samuels put on PTSD. Oh, so wrong, wrong, wrong. (I'm not saying that every one of the roles I just listed are PTSD sufferers, but they are all potential sufferers, along with quite a longer list of those who also have the potential to suffer it one day.) I guess I should have added, now after all we've seen lately, schoolteachers as well. <smh>

end of mini-rant...

 

[katydid23]

It's not me as much as my American bull dog and her friends. They say they don't think it's right that they are always being portrayed as aggressive, violent, and have no control over their anger. Athena and her friends are all loving and non aggressive. They just feel they are getting a bad rap. I will try to explain it to them but they are not a happy group right now and feel they are being discriminated against.

I understand. But Juan is not violent and does not lose control. He is fighting for Travis's reputation and protecting his friends and family from further damage. He is a skilled specimen, who instills confidence in us all. I love Juan so I would never compare him to something in a negative light. But I will say German Shepherd now instead of Pit Bull, out of respect for your Athena. My Shepherd knows I mean it as a compliment. LOL

 

[manzana]

I wouldn't necessarily call it easy...I never have an easy time getting out of it. Not all judges make it easy to get out of it during the actual trial either.

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Voir Dire This was a DP case, simple if you want out you do not believe in the DP. Really with all the questions, it is almost like you have to try to get selected and then chances are you may not. Just saying if I had a home to loose vs getting out of jury duty, my family would come first and that was the context of the post I responded to.

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Mea Culpa!

I previously thought a small chef's knife could have made all the wounds described in the autopsy report. Until I was watching HLN After Dark tonight and noticed the autopsy report indicated a wound 1 3/4" wide by 5 3/4" deep (to the abdomen).

I had failed to take into account the 1 3/4" notation and now realize it would have taken a bigger knife--a wider blade--to inflict that wound.

It comes as no surprise Jodi would want to use the most lethal knife she could, to finish him off relatively quickly, in the shower (as she originally intended).

Note the large chef's knife in the attached photo has a blade 1 3/4" wide when it is at a depth of 5 3/4", and 1 1/2" wide at a depth of 3 1/2"--both wounds [1 3/4" x 5 3/4" (abdomen) and 1 1/2" x 3 1/2" (heart)] detailed in the autopsy report. The autopsy report describes the neck incised wound as 6" by 1 1/2".

The knife also can make cuts of 3/4" and 1" and 1 1/4" when the knife goes in less deep. Note the autopsy report said the knife hit bone at certain places in the back, which would explain why the knife didn't go very far in those particular places. The photo below shows at which points the knife goes in at 3/4", 1", 1 1/4", 1 1/2" and 1 3/4".

OMG I can't imagine the terror Travis felt when he saw that lethal weapon. She used a knife that cut bone, cut six or more muscles, tendons, the heart artery, lung cavity, came close to decapitating him. This knife explains the wide incised (more wide than deep) wounds on his scalp and base of his thumb. Not saying this is the exact type of knife she used--the blade wouldn't have to be 10" long--but imo it's close. MOO

 

[Deleted member 95475]

Hmmm lets see, the Travis supporters had to remove their ribbons in the courtroom, his sisters and brother refused to, two woman got thrown out because one said (while sitting on the Jodi side) that she wished Jodi was dead.
Then the doc answered the jury's questions with the same lies and never got the clue that jury was crossing him off their list as a fraud and a quack. Then JW went over every that had been asked and finally sat down after he admitted to falsify Jodi's test scores, and that he is a compassionate fellow, and he's not biased at all.

Then all of a sudden JW is done and sits down almost in tears, and there is a stir in the courtroom and across the world as Juan Martinez stands up and bam it's on. It seems like he doesn't like Juan and got snippy and Juan backs him right down and then another sidebar and court is over..way to soon, but there is Monday court.

OH one juror asked if PTSD could be caused by a bad haircut and Jodi shot the doc the finger on national TV.

:cheers: :rocker::clap:

Thank you ILikeToBendPages that was the BEST trial summary I've read! I still have to find a link so I can enjoy Juan putting a fork into Dr. S - please tell me that we don't have to see Dr. S again.

 

[Pensfan]

Does the jury know the psychologist also sent Jodi cards?





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Yes. It was brought out that he had sent her a "get well" card.

 

[fred_]

I'm nervous about her too. But when I think about some of the jury questions today, it gives me some comfort. Those jurors are starting to get pizzed off with it all if you ask me. They are NOT buying this fairy tale, and their frustration with the DT is starting to show. And for some reason Nurmi and Wilmott seem oblivious to that. Note to self - if ever caught for any kind of crime in the state of Arizona do NOT hire Jennifer Wilmott or Kirk Nurmi to defend me. I mean seriously, could the juror questions have been any more pointed? They DON'T BUY IT.

I don't think this DV expert is going to come in now and convince them that she's in any way telling the truth. She'll do her thing and put TA and his family through more disgusting carp, but I don't think the ultimate outcome here will be swayed by whatever she says. Bye, bye Jodi :furious:

Do you think that the DV expert is going to testify just generally about battered women's syndrome and all of the different theories and patterns and explain the process or do you think she actually evaluated jodi & will testify that she was a battered woman. I just cant see why anyone who is respected in their field would want to risk their reputation basically vouchering for a sociopath & make it appear like she duped them too. Im curious to see how much this woman is willing to compromise what is clearly an established career in this field to defend someone who is obviously not a battered woman.

 

[raisincharlie]

Yeah, I'm not believing the rope scenario. Aside from that though, and something that doesn't get mentioned a lot, is how well this crime scene was really cleaned for a presumably first time murderer.

Think about it. All they had from 29 stab wounds, a shot to the head, and a near decapitation (God, I'm so sorry, Travis.) was one partial left palm print with comingled blood, hair, a casing, and of course the photos she believed she'd deleted on the camera she washed presumably to destroy evidence.

There was almost no evidence at all of her even being there. Despite a 13 hour stay in his home if we're to believe what time she arrived by her own statement. That truly boggles my mind after seeing many crime scenes, not nearly as brutal, produce a lot more evidence.

But apparently I'm wrong and it was frenzied so it means she never meant to kill him.

My logic dictates though if the clean up were as frenzied and foggy as the defense expert wishes us to believe there would be a lot more evidence. I'm goofy like that.

Jodi did tell Detective Flores that she would have worn gloves...

 

[McNEverest]

The quote I was responding to was that Travis was stabbed in the chest first. The poster said it would have been almost fatal and he would have been losing so much blood,he would have been coughing it out his lungs would have been filling up with blood, so wouldn't most of the blood been in the bathroom instead of the hallway? I don't think he was stabbed in the front first I think he was stabbed in the back first that's all.

Didn't the ME state that the chest wound would have bled internally? which could give Travis some time to move around, not good mind you but possibly still alert enough to move around for a few minutes? less than 2 min would make sense.. I just cant figure out where the throat slash happened at the sink or down the hallway when pic was taken, blood was already flowing in pic right?

 

[raisincharlie]

Let me ask you the questions and fill out the questionnaire for you (what Samuels did). If you want and have $250/hour, I bet you'll score much higher.

If you do that for me, that means I can straight face lie to people, comb through the trash, sing songs, and do headstands right ?:floorlaugh:

 

[looneymama]

It's not me as much as my American bull dog and her friends. They say they don't think it's right that they are always being portrayed as aggressive, violent, and have no control over their anger. Athena and her friends are all loving and non aggressive. They just feel they are getting a bad rap. I will try to explain it to them but they are not a happy group right now and feel they are being discriminated against.

Agreed My pretty little baby girl pit bull in my avatar just likes to snuggle :heartluv:

 

[Karmady]

Great find Tater! Elder Jensen did not have the gift of disernment when he taught the Plan of Salvation to JA! What went wrong?!!

Great insightful link!

 

[Hatfield]

ain't that hard to get out of jury duty, rather easy actually, those there want to be there just like the ones that go there for free.

I had always heard it was hard to get out of jury duty. Is it really kind of easy to say no when called?

 

[MandyLeigh]

If this has been posted already I apologize but maybe it's not too much.
:furious: :furious: :furious:
From the Facebook page...

Friends, today Arias' def. requested that family and supporters of Travis remove their blue ribbons whist in court. The family refused and were eventually allowed to keep their ribbons on. The supporters were asked by the judge to remove them.

Let's create a sea of blue for Travis and his family.

Please visit the page to see the ribbon they have posted. They want a sea of blue ribbons and they have made one for you, here is the link.

https:
//www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis?ref=stream



Also I would like the judge to give a reason why she sided on the defense concerning people in the gallery wearing ribbons. Basically she should have to answer for this decision.

I want an answer!