Looking for any LISK (Long Island Serial Killer) updates

[srp1206]

-Where was the belt found? They never said if it had anything to do with Shannon or the other victims
- I read somewhere that she would get her calls from Johns on a burner phone. Was that ever recovered? And if not thats suspect because her purse and other cell phone was found.
- Money wasn't found either and she was with there for three hours, doubt she would be there that long without payment.

 

[eagleyeseymour]

-Where was the belt found? They never said if it had anything to do with Shannon or the other victims
- I read somewhere that she would get her calls from Johns on a burner phone. Was that ever recovered? And if not thats suspect because her purse and other cell phone was found.
- Money wasn't found either and she was with there for three hours, doubt she would be there that long without payment.

I too want to know what kind of forensic examination of the victims phones was done.

In regards to the money she was missing, based on the circumstances of her exit from Brewers house (essentially taking off like a bat out of hell), it is entirely possible that she was never paid.

If you are genuinely in fear for your life, your life becomes more important than ~$900.00

 

[MsTurtleQueen]

Something jumped out at me yesterday- I have read so many articles with the mention of the burlap bags the girls were placed in...I then remember seeing something about a way they were wrapped or what it was exactly- and found this article I had read that in.

Does anyone have ANY indication as to what this could mean?

Life and death in the shadow of fear - Independent.ie

In the fourth paragraph- it says

Each girl had been wrapped in a distinctively woven piece of cloth.

Does this JUST mean burlap? Or does this imply that it has a mark on it, or a name-something distinctive about it?? These words just keep playing in my mind & I don't know if it is inaccurate reporting, mis-information, or something else they are not telling us? I feel like there is something else about the material or maybe how they were wrapped that we're missing here.

Thoughts?

 

[eagleyeseymour]

Something jumped out at me yesterday- I have read so many articles with the mention of the burlap bags the girls were placed in...I then remember seeing something about a way they were wrapped or what it was exactly- and found this article I had read that in.

Does anyone have ANY indication as to what this could mean?

Life and death in the shadow of fear - Independent.ie

In the fourth paragraph- it says

Each girl had been wrapped in a distinctively woven piece of cloth.

Does this JUST mean burlap? Or does this imply that it has a mark on it, or a name-something distinctive about it?? These words just keep playing in my mind & I don't know if it is inaccurate reporting, mis-information, or something else they are not telling us? I feel like there is something else about the material or maybe how they were wrapped that we're missing here.

Thoughts?

Based on the context, my guess would be that the weave pattern is what makes it distinguishable , it could be the color as well...

Then there also exists the possibility that there was a stamp of some kind on the burlap. This case is as frustrating as it is fascinating.

I'd have much more confidence in the FBI to determine the origin of the material than THE SCPD.

 

[deedee21]

Based on the context, my guess would be that the weave pattern is what makes it distinguishable , it could be the color as well...

Then there also exists the possibility that there was a stamp of some kind on the burlap. This case is as frustrating as it is fascinating.

I'd have much more confidence in the FBI to determine the origin of the material than THE SCPD.

The girls were wrapped in burlap.
LE never said they were put in bags.

 

[MsTurtleQueen]

Based on the context, my guess would be that the weave pattern is what makes it distinguishable , it could be the color as well...

Then there also exists the possibility that there was a stamp of some kind on the burlap. This case is as frustrating as it is fascinating.

I'd have much more confidence in the FBI to determine the origin of the material than THE SCPD.

It most certainly is! I wonder why we haven’t heard anything additional, as far as particles or lime or ANYTHING as I’ve learned (recently, from this site lol) that burlap holds onto things like that easily?

Hmmm
I would as well- especially with the corruption within the SCPD

 

[MsTurtleQueen]

The girls were wrapped in burlap.
LE never said they were put in bags.

My apologies for “bag”, I do see now they only say burlap. In the burlap and forensics thread I was just reading, people are mentioning rolls of burlap, or bolts? Does anyone know if those also would have some type of stamp or marking on it?

 

[eagleyeseymour]

The girls were wrapped in burlap.
LE never said they were put in bags.

Seems your response was directed to MsTurtle, I never mentioned bags nor have I read that they stuffed in bags anywhere.

 

[Darketonio]

Burlap is referred to as sackcloth in the Bible. The prophets wore it. It also is a sign of submission .

The killer is duplicating the book of Revelation. The *advertiser censored* of Babylon.

Prostitutes, the baby found, decapitated bodies. All are in the Bible as well as revelation. The crossdresser is considered an abomination in the Bible.

This is why the methods of killing changed. This is taking into consideration it's one person doing all the killing. The odds of 2 or 3 serial killers using the same dump is slim to none.


The killer is;

Now in his forties
Religious or at least knows the Bible very well

He is not married. An if he is, the wife works nights. Too much time is needed to do what he did.

He is a local guy. He knows the terrain. He knows he would never get caught.
He feels secure enough to spend a great amount of time in the gilco dumping area without being seen.

He doesn't hate woman.
A street girl would never leave their phone somewhere and go without it. He may have knew these girls or knew someone who had a working relationship with them. The burke girlfriend theory fits here. She was running a prostitution ring. If it was Burke. I'm not sure yet on that.

I have more.

 

[Darketonio]

It's not bithroff .
The real killer did not want to have sex with these girls
I'm beginning to believe bithroff was set up, maybe

 

[eagleyeseymour]

It's not bithroff .
The real killer did not want to have sex with these girls
I'm beginning to believe bithroff was set up, maybe

Yes SCPD is corrupt but Bittrolf was convicted on DNA, the way they got him was coincidental. Bittrolf is not a fall guy, he's an evil guy.

The Feds should have all eyes on him, a lot of times these guys can't keep their mouth shut in prison. Not only should they be shaking down any known associates in prison for information but they should also be interviewing him.

I find it nearly impossible to believe that he was only guilty of the 3 bodies (I know he was convicted on 2) ... they should determine who else he killed so they can allocate their resources accordingly. If they could positively link some of the bodies on LI to Bittrolf, they can narrow their focus on the others.

 

[Darketonio]

Yes SCPD is corrupt but Bittrolf was convicted on DNA, the way they got him was coincidental. Bittrolf is not a fall guy, he's an evil guy.

The Feds should have all eyes on him, a lot of times these guys can't keep their mouth shut in prison. Not only should they be shaking down any known associates in prison for information but they should also be interviewing him.

I find it nearly impossible to believe that he was only guilty of the 3 bodies (I know he was convicted on 2) ... they should determine who else he killed so they can allocate their resources accordingly. If they could positively link some of the bodies on LI to Bittrolf, they can narrow their focus on the others.

I agree he may be an evil guy. But why leave his semen in only two bodies? The guy that killed those girls on gilco is smarter than that.

I don't think he is talking in prison. They probably have him separated by now.

 

[eagleyeseymour]

I agree he may be an evil guy. But why leave his semen in only two bodies? The guy that killed those girls on gilco is smarter than that.

I don't think he is talking in prison. They probably have him separated by now.

This is news to me... have the press or law enforcement ever given any indication that the GB4 were killed on Gilgo? Everything points to it being a dump site not the kill site.

As far as Bittrolf, he could be in PC, he's in Clinton ...

 

[Darketonio]

This is news to me... have the press or law enforcement ever given any indication that the GB4 were killed on Gilgo? Everything points to it being a dump site not the kill site.

As far as Bittrolf, he could be in PC, he's in Clinton ...

It's probably where he dumped them. I meant as far as this guy leaving a calling card to identify himself. He is not leaving his semen in them. The say that's where he dumped them I don't if they know for sure.

 

[MsTurtleQueen]

Burlap is referred to as sackcloth in the Bible. The prophets wore it. It also is a sign of submission .

The killer is duplicating the book of Revelation. The *advertiser censored* of Babylon.

Prostitutes, the baby found, decapitated bodies. All are in the Bible as well as revelation. The crossdresser is considered an abomination in the Bible.

This is why the methods of killing changed. This is taking into consideration it's one person doing all the killing. The odds of 2 or 3 serial killers using the same dump is slim to none.


The killer is;

Now in his forties
Religious or at least knows the Bible very well

He is not married. An if he is, the wife works nights. Too much time is needed to do what he did.

He is a local guy. He knows the terrain. He knows he would never get caught.
He feels secure enough to spend a great amount of time in the gilco dumping area without being seen.

He doesn't hate woman.
A street girl would never leave their phone somewhere and go without it. He may have knew these girls or knew someone who had a working relationship with them. The burke girlfriend theory fits here. She was running a prostitution ring. If it was Burke. I'm not sure yet on that.

I have more.

I was thinking, maybe this is a repeat John- why else would they leave their phone at the request of a John? Maybe they felt comfortable enough with him?

 

[MsTurtleQueen]

The girls were wrapped in burlap.
LE never said they were put in bags.

Many articles I read yesterday, mostly from this site (I can’t post the link to the times article- I guess it’s too old) they do mention bags- and when they started profiling him said he must have a job or something with access to burlap SACKS- maybe it was wrong but I went back last night and found a lot about the “bags” so I didn’t make that up

 

[MsTurtleQueen]

I agree he may be an evil guy. But why leave his semen in only two bodies? The guy that killed those girls on gilco is smarter than that.

I don't think he is talking in prison. They probably have him separated by now.

I haven’t read anything anywhere about semen- do you have a link for that story?

 

[MsTurtleQueen]

M . Waterman.

There’s no H though

 

[orlaith]

Hi all,

I am wondering if anyone knows of any recent (last year or so) updates on the LISK case. Feel free to post any and all info you have - just wanted to reboot the conversation.

Thanks everyone and happy sleuthing,
IM

Yes, Police indicated in January 2020 they found a belt they think is related to the killer and that they are no longer certain that Shannon Gilbert was not a victim of homicide. Long Island Serial Killer : New Evidence Gilgo Beach Murders Update. - Market News

 

[SQ2]

I refuse to believe that the cops don't know who killed Shannon Gilbert, they just don't have the evidence or are corrupt. I hope it's not corruption.