Lori's Occupations

[Owutatangledweb]

I posted this in the Letter of Reference thread but am reporting here because I don't remember if this is the thread that talked about her working for an apartment management company, so I wanted to repeat it here since this thread talks about her occupations. In the letter, she is obviously seeking employment AND tenancy.


In one of the other threads, there is some information that she may have worked for an apartment management company early on. Many of these companies hire janitorial staff or apartment managers and part of their compensation is a place to live, one of the apartments. That letter may have been specifically drafted to obtain one of these positions. Duties would most likely be janitorial as well as some repairs and upkeep. If you look at the Lebaron angle, those children were made to work long hours in the Texas area appliance repair businesses. If she was related to those folks, she may have had some of these skills. Even if there is no relation to that angle, she may have had some other skills from elsewhere that allowed her to take such a position. Either way, it makes sense that the letter was drafted for this purpose if she did indeed work for apartment management companies. I would think the focus should be on tracking down the lead about her employment in that capacity. I can't remember which thread I read that in. But the name of the apartment complex began with a "C". Carrabas or something like that.

 

[ALadInsane]

I seriously doubt she had worked in a club. She was trying to hide, therefore stripping was not a good idea.
In her college loan application she uses addresses and phone numbers of a religious community and a trailer park/trailer company. What if she was really living in a community? (she probably would not need any ID to stay there and surely no rental records would exist ). Or maybe she lived in a trailer park ?

Other possibility would be for her to work in any itinerant business - team shooting a movie, theater show, music show.... This would give her mobility to deal with the paperwork in different states and would leave no records of rentals.

As for the car, she did not seem to have one before the Honda. Either she had money for cabs, someone to drive her around or she had access to a car at work ( delivery van ?).

 

[ClaireNC]

^^ Or she was still using a car and driver's license from before she became the FLEK. We have no proof showing that her original identity just vanished in 1988 and she immediately starting using the new ID's in everyday life. She might have been using both ID's for a number of years.

 

[AstroKitty]

Totally TOTALLY no roots in why I'm asking this but; is there any 12 tribes around there? aka yellow deli's? I have a friend who got sucked into that cult, had a kid and they don't believe in any schooling. They specifically state NO GED (which is so freaking weird), so i could see someone leaving on their own volition and getting their GED in spite. Just a random thing.

I agree also about not being able to hide well as a dancer. I don't think people realize how nosy we are. When a new girl comes in, we speculate and "sleuth" everything about her. Obviously you're spending 8 hours a day naked or semi nude with some stranger, you want to know who the hell they are and if you can trust them. Locker rooms are next to prison initiation, even in the most upscale clubs. It's a very mean girls type setting no matter if it's a gown club or a friction dance joint. There is literally no privacy and people DO go through your things. Not every club has enough lockers, so you have to leave your stuff either with a house mom (if you have one) or hope that the strip club gods are watching your stuff while you are out of the room. A lot of what people picture with clubs is fiction and media fairytales.

 

[branwynbreeze]

Totally TOTALLY no roots in why I'm asking this but; is there any 12 tribes around there? aka yellow deli's? I have a friend who got sucked into that cult, had a kid and they don't believe in any schooling. They specifically state NO GED (which is so freaking weird), so i could see someone leaving on their own volition and getting their GED in spite. Just a random thing.

I agree also about not being able to hide well as a dancer. I don't think people realize how nosy we are. When a new girl comes in, we speculate and "sleuth" everything about her. Obviously you're spending 8 hours a day naked or semi nude with some stranger, you want to know who the hell they are and if you can trust them. Locker rooms are next to prison initiation, even in the most upscale clubs. It's a very mean girls type setting no matter if it's a gown club or a friction dance joint. There is literally no privacy and people DO go through your things. Not every club has enough lockers, so you have to leave your stuff either with a house mom (if you have one) or hope that the strip club gods are watching your stuff while you are out of the room. A lot of what people picture with clubs is fiction and media fairytales.

That could have been where she perfected her infamous "none of your business" reply to past history. She seemed very much the loner.

 

[AstroKitty]

yeah but here's the thing; unless she danced very infrequently or at a huge club where there aren't many 'house' dancers - she would have been ran out of there very quickly. if you don't buddy up with a group or as i refer to them 'squads" - good luck in making substantial money! Ain't happening and the managers do not like drama. "loners" and the term dancer doesn't go together at all. Now, escort and loner do but stripper and loner? YOU WORK IN A BAR TALKING TO PEOPLE FOR MONEY. Sorry, doesn't pan out. So something in this story is BS

 

[branwynbreeze]

yeah but here's the thing; unless she danced very infrequently or at a huge club where there aren't many 'house' dancers - she would have been ran out of there very quickly. if you don't buddy up with a group or as i refer to them 'squads" - good luck in making substantial money! Ain't happening and the managers do not like drama. "loners" and the term dancer doesn't go together at all. Now, escort and loner do but stripper and loner? YOU WORK IN A BAR TALKING TO PEOPLE FOR MONEY. Sorry, doesn't pan out. So something in this story is BS

I don't believe she danced regularly. As far as loner, I think she let people just so close to her, enough to have the contact (not physical contact, work contact), but not enough to hang out with or call a lot.

 

[AstroKitty]

Im really curious if she did actually dance. I hate not knowing what she did / didn't do, and having to believe what an ex from 20 years ago has to say. For all we know she did an amateur night to make an extra 200 bucks OR she go-go danced (far different) OR she worked for an agency as a bachelor party dancer OR she worked 1 day / 1 week / 1 month or 5 years. A lot could be "assumed" about her if we knew her work ethics while she was a stripper. And what I mean by that:
Did she work 5 days a week or just Saturday night?
Was she night shift or day shift?
Did she call off often or was she there on schedule?
Was she a house dancer (meaning she was on schedule and received taxed wages *which is always servers pay and that could be the 1.58 that is mentioned)
Or was she a touring dancer?
Did she stick to lapdances or did she only try to do champagne/VIP rooms?
Was she a sit and talk sorta person or "do you want a dance" kind of person?
Did she do drugs / what type of drugs?

I have been a dancer since 1994 ish. I wasn't even 18 when I started. I have only recently quit being a house dancer and stick to just touring and doing other sex work primarily. I can tell a lot about a person by how they are in the club. I have literally seen it all and worked with people who began in the 70's *Obv this is when I first started* and their personalities are so vastly different than the dancers of now. Of course every veteran dancer says that about the class of girls before them. There's just a really big difference in behavior and tact about every 5 years in this industry. I won't bore you all to death but the stuff dancers and escorts did in the 90's - or (let me rephrase this) stuff they did as NORMAL would be considered prudish now, thanks to the "hobbyist" forums where men get to grade us, talk about is and review us. It sucks. It sucks bad.

If she was a dancer after 95 - it's highly possible there's a review of her on a certain website. If she was ever an escort then there will be at least a couple reviews out there. Whether we like them or not, it's freaking required if you want to earn more than 100 bucks or terrible/creepy dates. The providers have no say so about the reviews, and often they are malicious or false, but they do exist and websites make $ off subscriptions to view the details of it all. It's highly profitable. And there is seriously a remark about everything down to toenail polish color when you get to "reviews". <MODSNIP>

 

[fred&edna]

She could buddy-up and have all kinds of friends as a dancer... she probably told boatloads of BS. She could be LEK from anywhere with no family. She could pack on lies to those people without fear because they wouldn't be running home (or to the library) to do genealogy research. It wasn't so easy to track someone back then. Google wasn't around until the late '90s. Facebook, mylife, etc didn't exist until much later.

I doubt she took her highly secretive lock box with her to the clubs. So what if they went through her purse??

Once she married it was a different story. Times had changed. She now had friends and in-laws. She actually had real family and they would/could do research... it was with these people that she was a loner.

 

[Bsublime]

I have always wondered why members of WS didn't utilize memberships to these sites when missing persons were known sex workers?

God I love your posts! I feel like I learn something from every one. I don't know why I am surprised that there are detailed reviews like that (and yes, I am now picturing a Yelp app to help me find the best dancers and the best Thai restaurant when I travel). People review everything now don't they? I can't even begin to imagine what it must do to a girl's self-esteem to be reviewed like that. It would crush me and send me off in fits of self-obsession and paranoia.

And yesterday you had me researching the Twelve Tribes. I had never heard of them either.

Thanks and keep posting!!!

 

[ClaireNC]

Astrokitty, I also love most of your posts, but don't you think to assume that she was escorting, or more, is pushing it a bit far?. In the 1980's and early 1990's there were strip clubs or topless bars where dancers could earn a decent income just from dancing on the stage. No lap-dancing, required. Nothing beyond just being up on stage as somewhat-erotic entertainment. I don't know about the laws in Texas at the time, but other states had strict "do not touch" policies.

Her years of dancing were probably pretty much over once the internet became accessible to the general public. I don't think she was worried about online reviews and it is certainly not necessary for any WS'ers to have membership to those sites to see if something might be there that connects to her.

 

[fred&edna]

Astrokitty, I also love most of your posts, but don't you think to assume that she was escorting, or more, is pushing it a bit far?. In the 1980's and early 1990's there were strip clubs or topless bars where dancers could earn a decent income just from dancing on the stage. No lap-dancing, required. Nothing beyond just being up on stage as somewhat-erotic entertainment. I don't know about the laws in Texas at the time, but other states had strict "do not touch" policies.

Her years of dancing were probably pretty much over once the internet became accessible to the general public. I don't think she was worried about online reviews and it is certainly not necessary for any WS'ers to log into those sites to see if something might be there that connects to her.

I've followed the LISK case for well over a year... and there are MANY WS members who have followed the posts on SEVERAL exotic review sites. There are pages and pages and pages of information regarding prostitution, pimps, human trafficking, BDSM, and more on that thread. So, don't think all avenues haven't been utilized on that case

But, I agree... in this instance... the info regarding LEK on those sites would be little to none.

 

[AstroKitty]

God I love your posts! I feel like I learn something from every one. I don't know why I am surprised that there are detailed reviews like that (and yes, I am now picturing a Yelp app to help me find the best dancers and the best Thai restaurant when I travel). People review everything now don't they? I can't even begin to imagine what it must do to a girl's self-esteem to be reviewed like that. It would crush me and send me off in fits of self-obsession and paranoia.

And yesterday you had me researching the Twelve Tribes. I had never heard of them either.

Thanks and keep posting!!!

You could be the ONE person not being irritated by me lol. The review boards have been in operation since 98. They are huge and well known within the industry. Some girls offer discounted services for reviews and clubs offer discounts and drinks for reviews. The dancer review boards have been around since telenet!

I've had some fake reviews posted of me (way way back in the day), I threw a fit and tried to get them pulled. Not only because they were lies but because it's incriminating! LE would be all over this. The website blacklisted me, banned me and took the reviews down, but not before they threatened me. The owner of said site ended up getting into deep stuff with the FBI and went to prison. The site is still in operation and one of the largest in the world, it's just owned by a different company. I see them advertise in Hustler and Playboy now. The stripclub websites are free (I think). And a lot worse because the viciousness between dancers is out of control.

 

[AstroKitty]

Astrokitty, I also love most of your posts, but don't you think to assume that she was escorting, or more, is pushing it a bit far?. In the 1980's and early 1990's there were strip clubs or topless bars where dancers could earn a decent income just from dancing on the stage. No lap-dancing, required. Nothing beyond just being up on stage as somewhat-erotic entertainment. I don't know about the laws in Texas at the time, but other states had strict "do not touch" policies.

Her years of dancing were probably pretty much over once the internet became accessible to the general public. I don't think she was worried about online reviews and it is certainly not necessary for any WS'ers to have membership to those sites to see if something might be there that connects to her.

Oh lord honey. I don't think she was escorting. I was rambling. I don't even think she was a dancer.

 

[AstroKitty]

I REALLY enjoy this thread, and I just toss out tidbits of information that really aren't that much of theories. I have no theory - I don't. But there is no reason to jump my throat about what I have to say or that I'm essentially stupid because I shouldn't assume WSers haven't had memberships to various websites and what not. If you read between the lines - I do not find it possible for her to have been a dancer because of all the other details leaking out. It doesn't fit. I choose not to believe SO much that has been said by her in-laws and ex because there's no proof. I do NOT think it's harmful that I share insights to the industry because the media protrays it totally opposite of true. And I too have participated in the LISK threads, and bowed out because apparently non sex workers know more than someone with almost 20 years of experience.

So to just bring it back around:
- I do not think she was a dancer, and if she was - I don't think it was for long.
- I definitely don't think she was a hooker

What is interesting is that I can point out these things and say my bit and I'm called out for it over and over and over. However, someone can say she was part of some crazy thailand sex trade CIA transexual - and "Oh that's possible". C'mon guys.

 

[masootz]

astro - i enjoy your insights. i think someone with direct knowledge of the industry is extremely useful in thinking through possibilities.

i agree with you that the only indication we have that she danced, escorted, stripped, whatever is from someone who claims to have had a short relationship with her years ago. she's not here to defend herself or say whether the guy is full of it or not, and we have no way to independently verify what he said.

it's certainly worth looking into, but before the entire ws group starts with the "sex trafficking" theories (side note - i think every missing person on ws at some point is theorized to be part of this mysterious underground sex trafficking ring) let's try to find some independent verification that what the reported ex boyfriend said is actually true, otherwise we're just barking up empty trees. my 2 cents.

 

[Magnum P.E.]

You could be the ONE person not being irritated by me lol. [/QUOTE
Hi Astrokitty,
I am not irritated by your posts. You bring a different perspective to the board, which is important. We each have something to contribute here.
As for FLEK being a dancer, I dunno. We only have a second hand account from a former boyfriend. I think he cited some issues she had, I would like to know what those were but I would imagine that information is not forthcoming. I don't think she looks like a dancer but I am not really sure what a dancer should look like. She looks so different in each picture. The tea part pic looks pretty matronly, the tanned and smiling one positively pretty.
Dancing on a stage would seem to not be in keeping with what we know ( or think we know) about FLEK's character. How can we reconcile being on a stage in front of many people with being a loner? In that sense, I wonder about her flying the Buckeye trike as well. I am a pilot, and I can appreciate the solitude when I fly alone. She did solo but we have no evidence that she went any further than that. Was being alone up in the sky one time enough for her?
We need to get her image out there further.

 

[fred&edna]

I REALLY enjoy this thread, and I just toss out tidbits of information that really aren't that much of theories. I have no theory - I don't. But there is no reason to jump my throat about what I have to say or that I'm essentially stupid because I shouldn't assume WSers haven't had memberships to various websites and what not. If you read between the lines - I do not find it possible for her to have been a dancer because of all the other details leaking out. It doesn't fit. I choose not to believe SO much that has been said by her in-laws and ex because there's no proof. I do NOT think it's harmful that I share insights to the industry because the media protrays it totally opposite of true. And I too have participated in the LISK threads, and bowed out because apparently non sex workers know more than someone with almost 20 years of experience.

So to just bring it back around:
- I do not think she was a dancer, and if she was - I don't think it was for long.
- I definitely don't think she was a hooker

What is interesting is that I can point out these things and say my bit and I'm called out for it over and over and over. However, someone can say she was part of some crazy thailand sex trade CIA transexual - and "Oh that's possible". C'mon guys.

There are a couple (if not more) WS members with years of experience in the sex industry as escorts/exotic dancers who post regularly on the LISK threads. They've been quite forthcoming, answered many questions, offered their opinion, and been very helpful AND they continue to participate on the forum. I'm not trying to "call you out" but on the thread you said you were giving up about understanding the real facts and didn't think it was beneficial to read the threads as it would confuse you more. Please understand... some may disagree with your opinion but it is not because they discount your background and experience.

ETA: I also see what I believe is your most recent post on the LISK thread... which was thanked by several people and generated further discussion. All that seems positive to me!

 

[neesaki]

Hi all,

I had a look online (google/waybackbachine) and found an email address with the domain aneyefordetailconsulting.com that I read she had used. I had just been scanning through topics, so I can not recall if this was a company she owned or simply was affiliated with. Anyway, It lead me to a mystery shopping blog from a Texas woman who looks a little like her I think. Perhaps she knows here? I am probably way off base as like I say, I can not recall the significance of this email domain. But I thought I would post just in case!
http://allysgoodies.blogspot.co.uk/

FWIW, and please don't take it personally, but that woman bears no resemblance whatsoever to our LEK. jmo

 

[neesaki]

Astrokitty, I also love most of your posts, but don't you think to assume that she was escorting, or more, is pushing it a bit far?. In the 1980's and early 1990's there were strip clubs or topless bars where dancers could earn a decent income just from dancing on the stage. No lap-dancing, required. Nothing beyond just being up on stage as somewhat-erotic entertainment. I don't know about the laws in Texas at the time, but other states had strict "do not touch" policies.

Her years of dancing were probably pretty much over once the internet became accessible to the general public. I don't think she was worried about online reviews and it is certainly not necessary for any WS'ers to have membership to those sites to see if something might be there that connects to her.

Do we know when these "do not touch" policies came into effect. The reason I ask, is that from my own perspective back in 1981 - 82, I was going through a divorce, when I experienced the first and only freedom in my entire life. I was already 24 - 25 y/o at that time. So we went, some friends and I, to La Bare, a couple different times. This was a ladies club, with male dancers. And it was before the aids epidemic apparently, because back then, these guys would engage in very serious on the mouth french kissing, and I mean no holding back at all, with those of us who were likely to tuck dollar bills into their g-strings, lol.

It was for me, tons of fun but very short lived. Hey, I had to grow up sooner or later, right? Obviously with the aids epidemic, those days are, at least I'm assuming, long gone. So when did all that change? I'm just not sure about the year.