Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #15

[tedtink]

Is it 'cushion dog' Shark?

I found the pics a few weeks ago, but didn't give it much attention as I thought the dogs muzzle looked different - Just throwing it out there for discussion #cushiondoggate
Pics are dated August 8 2011

 

[Miss_Paula]

it wouldnt surprise me that their plan b is the accumulation of his other crimes, not just as a means to retain him, but to employ should a murder/abduction case be not possible to convict.

absolut d'accord.

 

[peanutJelly]

BKA also have at least 100 pics in which CB features so they have to try to ID each of those victims.

I don’t think any of the cars are likely to press charges, hopefully they are the only victims in those 100 pics

 

[Sharkbite]

Is it 'cushion dog' Shark?

Compared to HW's profile pic and the pic shown on one of the German vidoes it isn't afaik Charlie. MT did mention a brown and white dog though, but again the dog in the photos is brown/black/white and doesn't look like a Rottweiler cross.

ETA

I only briefly checked the cushion dog image on a low res image, I could understand that some people thought that there could be a 'Charlie' type dog on the sofa. I would need to check again to be more certain though.

 

[Pixie Child]

I don’t think any of the cars are likely to press charges, hopefully they are the only victims in those 100 pics

And dogs - that takes a few more pics out of the victim identification process.

 

[tedtink]

Compared to HW's profile pic and the pic shown on one of the German vidoes it isn't afaik Charlie. MT did mention a brown and white dog though, but again the dog in the photos is brown/black/white and doesn't look like a Rottweiler cross.

ETA

I only briefly checked the cushion dog image on a low res image, I could understand that some people thought that there could be a 'Charlie' type dog on the sofa. I would need to check again to be more certain though.

Thanks Shark.
Charlie is not the dog in the pic, but looks as though he missed out on a good party that evening!

 

[enjy15]

I have two guesses:

1) It is obviously necessary for the purely legal aspects of criminal prosecution to assume murder (and to call it that way: "We are investigating Mr. X for murder").
Kidnapping could become time-barred, murder never.

2) Why do they say that the child is dead?
Either because it would logically follow from 1) or they have actually found something in the thousands of pornographic image files that points to MM, but which does not allow evidence about the perpetrator because he is not visible on it.

As well, with your second point, I think they have video or photo evidence but it isn’t 100% clear if it’s MM. They need extra evidence to confirm this, clothing or a body.

 

[enjy15]

And dogs - that takes a few more pics out of the victim identification process.

8000 images, dogs are in a few and CB is in 100. Still 7,800- something images to go through and identify. I’m not sure how good camera quality would be back in 2007 as well if MM is in any. Unless her eye was noticeable it will be hard to identify her. There are a couple of CBs potential victims who look similar.
It’s going to take a long time to get through the images/videos.

 

[Chiatos]

A bit of info:

The "Diakonie is the social welfare organisation of Germany's Protestant churches. Our mission is to practice charity in the model of Jesus Christ."

The Matthäuskirche in Bergtheim (Ivar B.) is Evangelical Lutheran which is also Protestant faith.

CB's adoption could well have been arranged by the protestant church.

The Evangelical Lutherian church stood for many adoptions in Germany with over 60 adoption agencies under their wing. *1992
Adoptions in West Germany: Attitudes of Social Workers on JSTOR

It would be interesting to know if Mr/Mrs B were religious people and if the adoption was done through the church, maybe it was even a requirement that 'adopters' had to be active members of the church to be able to adopt?

It seems that Mrs B might have returned CB to the same 'institution' she originally got him from when he was a baby.

My initial thoughts on Ivar B were actually that he could in some way be related to MrB, a brother or uncle maybe, which somehow led me to this. It could be just a coincidence that Ivar B the priest shares the surname of course.


@BIZCOCHO

Interesting.
Ivar B. is 46 years old. Became Pfarrer of the Matthäuskirche in Bergtheim in 2009.
Should he be related to CB, then he might be a far cousin. (?)
Perhaps Brückner is just a common name in that region, who knows .....
Einführung von Pfarrer Ivar Brückner

 

[tedtink]

8000 images, dogs are in a few and CB is in 100. Still 7,800- something images to go through and identify. I’m not sure how good camera quality would be back in 2007 as well if MM is in any. Unless her eye was noticeable it will be hard to identify her. There are a couple of CBs potential victims who look similar.
It’s going to take a long time to get through the images/videos.

MM had a birthmark on her leg too.
I think IF LE have id'd MM in a pic or video, they haven't id'd CB imo.

P.J. POLICE FILES: MADELEINE BETH MCCANN

 

[Sharkbite]

Interesting.
Ivar B. is 46 years old. Became Pfarrer of the Matthäuskirche in Bergtheim in 2009.
Should he be related to CB, then he might be a far cousin. (?)
Perhaps Brückner is just a common name in that region, who knows .....
Einführung von Pfarrer Ivar Brückner

There are indeed many Brückners in Bergtheim for a village of 4000. Ivar having the same surname was just the stepping stone to the theory that maybe the church was involved with the adoption as well as the Diakonia home he was sent to by Mrs B

 

[snowpea666]

Hey could you point me towards how to find this? Thanks

Me also, please

 

[Anxala]

I don't disagree with what you say here, but also any prosecutor knows that the Maddie claim they flagpoled would set off a global firestorm.

I agree one can call for witnesses, but to also effectively say, "we know this guy did it AND we know MM is dead" is pretty massive claims when you don't have evidence to charge, and you won't explain.

I find that whole aspect pretty mysterious, and think this may end up biting German LE if they cannot back up the talk.

^ Yes. There's no way in the world the German LE would not have been aware of the likely impact introducing MM into the mix in the way they did would have on the media, the UK media in particular.

 

[Mandalas]

re: Photo of CB in a bar with the Jagermeister girl used widely in media.

Go to CB's FB page (HW) go to one of the pages that he has "liked" which is the Havana Bar in Linden.
Scroll down the photo's - I think this is where the pic of him with Mrs Muller on his lap was taken, (removed now) the decor is the same.

Scroll down towards the bottom of the pics and you will see a dog wandering around the bar, possibly Charlie "Pillow Dog"?
Could it be Charlie?

Not really relevant, but may help to confirm dates he was there.

That's very interesting... Just piping up here in a rare opportunity to do some catching up on sleuthing!

There's also a Flickr account associated with the same bar. Several albums of photos with many of the images showing the promotional girls in attire similar to the girls in the bar pics with CB. Also paintwork and tongue and groove wall panelling colours same to be the same.

Not sure if it is possible to see dates on these images, but I'm just scrolling through to see if there's anything of interest...

I don't think I'm allowed to post the link, but search Google for "Flickr Havana cuba Linden" and it should be the first result.

Edited for typos/accuracy.

 

[Mandalas]

That's very interesting... Just piping up here in a rare opportunity to do some catching up on sleuthing!

There's also a Flickr account associated with the same bar. Several albums of photos with many of the images showing the promotional girls in attire similar to the girls in the bar pics with CB. Also paintwork and tongue and groove wall panelling colours same to be the same.

Not sure if it is possible to see dates on these images, but I'm just scrolling through to see if there's anything of interest...

I don't think I'm allowed to post the link, but search Google for "Flickr Havana cuba Linden" and it should be the first result.

Edited for typos/accuracy.

Sorry for the duplication, I've just realised that @Zolex posted this already in July on thread #11.

 

[Tekno]

BKA also have at least 100 pics in which CB features so they have to try to ID each of those victims.

Do you have a source for this, please.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Do you have a source for this, please.

Maddie McCann: Lösen Mädchen-Badeanzüge im Wohnmobil von Christian B. den Fall?

 

[JugsAndTugs]

That's very interesting... Just piping up here in a rare opportunity to do some catching up on sleuthing!

There's also a Flickr account associated with the same bar. Several albums of photos with many of the images showing the promotional girls in attire similar to the girls in the bar pics with CB. Also paintwork and tongue and groove wall panelling colours same to be the same.

Not sure if it is possible to see dates on these images, but I'm just scrolling through to see if there's anything of interest...

I don't think I'm allowed to post the link, but search Google for "Flickr Havana cuba Linden" and it should be the first result.

Edited for typos/accuracy.

Wheres photographer4 when we need them!!!

NaNaNaNaNaNa Photographer!

 

[Chiatos]

That's very interesting... Just piping up here in a rare opportunity to do some catching up on sleuthing!

There's also a Flickr account associated with the same bar. Several albums of photos with many of the images showing the promotional girls in attire similar to the girls in the bar pics with CB. Also paintwork and tongue and groove wall panelling colours same to be the same.

Not sure if it is possible to see dates on these images, but I'm just scrolling through to see if there's anything of interest...

I don't think I'm allowed to post the link, but search Google for "Flickr Havana cuba Linden" and it should be the first result.

Edited for typos/accuracy.

Those are many albums! Which must I pick?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Wheres photographer4 when we need them!!!

NaNaNaNaNaNa Photographer!

I just checked the whole Flickr profile of the bar and could see nothing of interest. Maybe i'm too dumb....?!

Don't think, they left pics of CB online!

It's pretty quiet at the moment, by the way!

No L.E statements...
No solicitor statements...
No P.J. statements...
No SY statements...
No new press statements...

Just a bit too quiet for a bluff!

Smells productive, cause everybody seems to be working hard!