Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #1

[slowpoke]

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Have there been any sightings?

An eyewitness recounts seeing a white woman swimming ‘in a river not far away’ on the Sunday following her disappearance (The Sun, 6 Aug 2019).**

**The police are unsure if this account is accurate and in my opinion – and jmo! – from the description we now have of Nora’s disabilities, I don’t think she would be able to swim without someone there to aid her.

Wonderful work, AnnesCuthberts!
Just wanted to add another discrepancy in reporting, as a different article (Sky News) describes the sighting as a white woman “bathing” in the river, which might give us a different image of the activity the person was doing in the river.

The Sky News quote:
A State deputy police chief told Sky News his teams were searching along the river bank but had no evidence to suggest any criminal activity. He said: "We have information from one of the villagers that they saw a white woman bathing in the river at about 7pm on Sunday. He was riding a motorcycle [when he saw this]. He did not take a photo as he was passing by but we are checking."
Nora Quoirin: Family of London teen 'believe she has been abducted'

 

[therion20]

Mother joins jungle search team and makes plea for missing girl


Mother joins jungle search team and makes plea for missing girl
THE parents of a teenager missing in Malaysia have used a loudspeaker to call out her name as they joined search teams in a dense jungle.

Nora Quoirin, 15, disappeared from a forest resort in Seremban last Sunday while on a family holiday. The youngster, who has a rare brain defect which affects her mental and physical abilities, vanished from The Dusun hotel, located next to the 4,000-acre Berembun rainforest. Rescue teams have searched round-the-clock amid fears she has been abducted or wandered off and got lost. In the past few days Nora’s parents Meabh and Sebastien have used a police loudspeaker to call out to Nora in an attempt to locate her. This came after searchers found footprints thought to be Nora’s in the jungle near the resort.
The family has said they remain hopeful, while police leading the investigation have refused to rule out a “criminal element”. Mrs Quoirin also paid tribute to search teams yesterday as the hunt continued.

She said: “We want to say thank you to each and every one of you. We know you’re searching night and day for Nora.

“We see you working so hard, and also praying with us and being with us. You have given up your time.” Mrs Quoirin praised the dedication and expertise shown by police and other searchers looking for Nora.

She added: “To be with us here, it means the world to us. We are so grateful for everything that you are doing for us, everyone who is helping here and not from here.


“We are extremely impressed by the effort, your expertise, your dedication and we hope you find Nora. And thank you so much.”

Meabh and Sebastien, an Irish-French couple who live in Balham, south London, arrived at The Dusun forest resort with their three children eight days ago.

They woke up the morning after arriving to find Nora gone and a downstairs window of their lodge open.

Nora, who has an Irish passport, was born with the brain defect holoprosencephaly and needs help with many aspects of everyday life.

The Quoirins said Nora’s condition means she is not independent and has difficulty walking.

In a statement released by the Lucie Blackman Trust, which supports Britons overseas, her family said: “All her life, she has spent a lot of time in hospital.

“When she was born, she needed operations to help her breathe. She has specialists that monitor her growth, her physical abilities and her strength, and especially her mental capacity.

“She is not like other teenagers. She is not independent and does not go anywhere alone. Nora likes to walk with her family but her balance is limited and she struggles with co-ordination.

“She has been to Asia and many European countries before and has never wandered off or got lost.”

Meanwhile Irish band Westlife, who performed in Malaysia last week, have asked their fans to help look for the missing teenager.

Posters of Nora flashed on giant screens before and during the concert in Kuala Lumpur, before band member Nicky Byrne pleaded with the 7,000-strong crowd to help find her. He said: “If you know anything about Nora’s disappearance, come forward.”

 

[MsBetsy]

RSBM

What if there were two burglars? Does this make "exiting through the window" make any more sense? Or at least having evidence of that on the window? Did she encounter a burglar or two and attempt to escape through the window and was carried through the door?

I think they said they were certain someone only exited through the window.
I wonder how they know? Maybe the door can only be locked from the inside and it was still locked when the parents got up?

 

[TTF14]

I think they said they were certain someone only exited thought the window.
I wonder how they know? Maybe the door can only be locked from the inside and it was still locked when the parents got up?

There have been so many conflicting reports, and reporting about the window is among them. Some say the window was open and that it IS possible to open it from the outside. I've also heard there were no locks at all in the house.

 

[claudianunes]

Both scenarios raise questions for me.
How could she go down the stairs and get out off the house exiting by a window if she has balance and movement difficulties without her siblings noticing her leaving the room first, and then the parents not hearing a sound, as they were staying in the downstairs bedroom? I find it really hard to believe that Nóra would be capable of being quiet doing all of that if she has that type of difficulties, that had to be some noise.
But then, how could someone get into the home, go upstairs with the parents staying in the downstairs bedroom, take Nóra from the bedroom that she was sharing with not one, but two siblings, carry her down the stairs and exit the house without Nóra being frightened and screaming/making loud noises, especially if she was clingy to her mother, shy and not a very trusting child torwards strangers?
None of the options makes sense, I just can't believe it. If it was indeed an abudction, why not take the easiest child of the three? Meaning, the youngest, who would be easier to carry and to contain.

 

[jenn83]

Someone in a different thread said this and I agree in this case: Sitting on my hands is a good idea when I have an opinion that can't be backed up by facts.

*Thank you WS member, sorry I can't remember your name*

 

[momrids6]

They are investigating sex offenders in the area and looking to see who was in the area at the time of her disappearance in order to find evidence that she may have been kidnapped.
This takes time and they would only confirm if they found evidence pointing to that direction. Imo

I haven't seen any msm that mentions sex offenders, just one that mentioned questioning anyone with a criminal record. Of course, I could have missed this link.


Her mobility simply has to be better than it sounds, or they wouldn't have picked this resort.

 

[Stanly]

What if forensically she did go through the window, but not when we think. She could have been playing around with the siblings upon arrival going through it.

I wonder if, really, the parents made a bed for her in the living area because of access to the bathroom in the night but we just haven't been told.

Just throwing it out there.

 

[Skigh]

Both scenarios raise questions for me.
How could she go down the stairs and get out off the house exiting by a window if she has balance and movement difficulties without her siblings noticing her leaving the room first, and then the parents not hearing a sound, as they were staying in the downstairs bedroom? I find it really hard to believe that Nóra would be capable of being quiet doing all of that if she has that type of difficulties, that had to be some noise.
But then, how could someone get into the home, go upstairs with the parents staying in the downstairs bedroom, take Nóra from the bedroom that she was sharing with not one, but two siblings, carry her down the stairs and exit the house without Nóra being frightened and screaming/making loud noises, especially if she was clingy to her mother, shy and not a very trusting child torwards strangers?
None of the options makes sense, I just can't believe it. If it was indeed an abudction, why not take the easiest child of the three? Meaning, the youngest, who would be easier to carry and to contain.

I have thought exactly the same.
I can not work out how someone could have taken Nora from the house or Nora climb through the window with out help.
I cannot work out what might have happened.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Who is Nora?

Nora Anne Quoirin is 15-years-old, 5ft 1” tall, of slight build, with shoulder-length wavy dark blonde hair and blue eyes. She is of Irish-French descent and was travelling on an Irish passport. Nora was born with holoprosencephaly and has limited balance and co-ordination. She enjoys walks with her family though has difficulty doing so. She is not independent in that she cannot manage buttons and struggles to wash her hair. At her school, she is in the process of learning to ride a bicycle (Lucie Blackman Trust, 9 Aug 2019).

What is The Dusun?

The Dusun is described as being a small nature resort with several houses located throughout their land (The Dusun). Nora and her family were residing at Sora House (Malay Mail, 10 Aug 2019). Sora House contains 1 bedroom with a double bed, 1 loft with a double and a single bed and 2 toilets.

What happened prior to her disappearance?

Nora was on holiday with her family at The Dusun resort in Malaysia, 39 miles south of Kuala Lumpur. The family travelled to Kuala Lumpur airport on 3rd August 2019. Nora, Sister (aged 12) and Brother (aged 8) travelled from London with their father Sebastian meanwhile Meabh travelled in from Singapore after visiting Sydney. (The Mirror, 9 Aug 2019). They arrived within 30 minutes of each other. It is unknown what time they arrived and/or not been reported in the media. They took a taxi from the airport to the resort (The Times, 10 Aug 2019). According to a Dutch tourist, C, the family arrived later in the evening. They played outside for a while before retiring to bed early, at 10 pm. C. also reports hearing rustling noises on the evening of Nora’s disappearance at the pool close to Sora House (AD Netherlands News, 9 Aug 2019).The family report going to bed on Saturday night just a few hours after checking in (The Mirror, 7 Aug 2019).

Children's age source: (The Daily Mail, 9 Aug 2019) (I am referring to them as Sister and Brother for their privacy as they are minors).

Who slept where on the night of 3 August 2019?

There has been confusion with regards to the sleeping arrangements at Sora House. The Mirror, 7 Aug 2019 report that Nora stayed in the upstairs [loft] bedroom next to her sister and brother. The parents, then, would have slept in the downstairs bedroom. The confusion seems to have arisen after communications from deputy police chief Che Zakaria Othman reporting that it was the window in the living hall downstairs that was left open, and not the one in the bedroom upstairs where the girl was. It was then stated her siblings were sleeping in ‘another room’ upstairs (The Sun, 7 Aug 2019).

What entrances/exits are there to the house?

There was an open window in the living room/kitchen area of the Sora apartment (The Daily Mail, 9 Aug 2019). Police officers, according to The Daily Mail, are certain “only the glass window exit was used.” Fingerprints were discovered and have been sent for examination (ITV News, 7 Aug 2019). Pictures of Sora House can be seen on the Dusuns website, throughout this thread or in some of the links throughout this to get a clearer idea of what entrances/exits there are other than the window. Police are trying to ascertain whether the window was closed/locked from inside the night of Nora’s disappearance, as the window could be opened from the outside if it were unlocked (Malay Mail, 11 Aug 2019).

What happened the morning Nora was discovered to have disappeared?

Sebastian states that he discovered Nora was missing on Sunday, 4 August at around 8am (The Guardian, 9 Aug 2019). Additionally, the Dutch tourist C claims that the next morning panic hit the resort. An old lady asked to look in C’s apartment to check whether Nora could be in the home. C alleges that 3 hours later the authorities still hadn’t arrived, causing Sebastian to be angry. The owner of the resort told him to go to the police station, otherwise, they wouldn’t come. C also states they [the tourists] searched for a while. (AD Netherlands News, 9 Aug 2019). It is believed Nora may be wearing her undergarments as that is what she fell asleep in (The Sun, 6 Aug 2019).

Where has been searched?

Over the course of the search for Nora, approximately 261 SAR personnel have been involved in the search. Tools used have included tracker dogs, drones equipped with thermal imaging camera and a voice recording of Nora’s mother asking her to come out towards the search party in case she is hiding from fear (Malay Mail, 11 Aug 2019). Locations search have included the resort area, the river and a 6km radius of the hotel into the jungle (The Independent, 9 Aug 2019). As the search has progressed, over 300+ personnel have been involved in the search and the area reduced to a 4km radius (The Irish Times, 11 Aug 2019).


Are the police investigating a potential abduction?

Yes, although it is not their primary focus, however, they are accepting information from all angles while continuing their search. They say there is no evidence to indicate Nora has been abducted (Sky News, 11 Aug 2019). Bukit Aman – the county’s equivalent to the FBI – have run background checks on all known paedophiles and criminals in the area. Additionally, police have searched the homes of staff working at The Dusun and questioned the taxi driver who dropped them off at the resort (The Daily Mail, 11 Aug 2019).


Is there any evidence?

Police Deputy Commissioner Datuk Mohamad Mat Yusop has said as of 11 August that they have “no credible leads on where she is but we will continue the search” (Sky News, 11 Aug 2019). As stated above, they say there is no evidence that points to Nora having been abducted. Fingerprints were discovered on a window that was open in the downstairs living room however there has been no announcement so far on the results (The Irish Times, 11 Aug 2019). Sniffer dogs tracking Nora picked up her scent within 4,000ft of the resort however there is no trace of her beyond that range (The Sun, 6 Aug 2019). Footprints were discovered by the Fire and Rescue Department’s sniffer dogs that are believed to belong to Nora (The Independent, 9 Aug 2019).

Have there been any sightings?

An eyewitness recounts seeing a white woman swimming ‘in a river not far away’ on the Sunday following her disappearance (The Sun, 6 Aug 2019).**

Misc helpful links:
Map of the Dusun from their website

Thanks to @Lyndaloo for noticing errors the first time round


**The police are unsure if this account is accurate and in my opinion – and jmo! – from the description we now have of Nora’s disabilities, I don’t think she would be able to swim without someone there to aid her.

Spectacular efforts. Thank you so much. Your post may spark new interest specifically to members just recently hearing of Nora and her parents.

I did read an article earlier stating a different range of scent detection by tracker dogs. The conversion of meters to feet may be throwing me off so I wanted to run it by you for clarification.

Your source stated sniffer dogs tracking Nora picked up her scent within 4,000ft of the resort however there is no trace of her beyond that range

Snip: Negeri Sembilan police chief Mohamad Mat Yusop said the girl's disappearance was still being treated as a missing person case because there was no evidence to indicate she was abducted. He said sniffer dogs picked up the girl's scent within 100 meters from her resort bedroom but the trail stopped there.
https://www.fresnobee.com/news/nation-world/world/article233564662.html

 

[MsBetsy]

There have been so many conflicting reports, and reporting about the window is among them. Some say the window was open and that it IS possible to open it from the outside. I've also heard there were no locks at all in the house.

Yes, I wondered if someone had slipped through the window and then unlocked the door if it was locked, and they exited through the door.

That her scent was picked up within 4000 feet of the resort but that's all that was detected seems odd. I wonder if it was lost anywhere near a road. That might indicate that she entered a vehicle.

It was reported that there is not much security at the resort. That seems like it would be a concern, too. Imo

 

[Skigh]

What if forensically she did go through the window, but not when we think. She could have been playing around with the siblings upon arrival going through it.

I wonder if, really, the parents made a bed for her in the living area because of access to the bathroom in the night but we just haven't been told.

Just throwing it out there.

I did wonder exactly the same.It would make much more sense for Nora to be downstairs.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

I haven't seen any msm that mentions sex offenders, just one that mentioned questioning anyone with a criminal record. Of course, I could have missed this link.

Her mobility simply has to be better than it sounds, or they wouldn't have picked this resort.

Bukit Aman – the country's equivalent to the FBI - have also run a background check on all known paedophiles and criminals in the area, a standard procedure performed in any missing person case.

Police searching for missing Nora Quoirin check on local paedophiles | Daily Mail Online

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Malaysia scrambles search for Irish teen

 

[Liming]

That window could easily mistaken for a door, just the drop outside is quite big and would be alarming if not expecting it in the dark.

 

[Sera]

That window could easily mistaken for a door, just the drop outside is quite big and would be alarming if not expecting it in the dark.

I can't remember where I read it now (I'll try to find the article and edit this post to include it) but apparently that window is quite difficult to open and N wouldn't have been able to open it by herself. I remember wondering whether it's possible that N and one or both of her siblings had opened it together.

Edited to include article and quote:
"Speaking on behalf of the family, Matthew Searle of the Lucie Blackman Trust (LBT), told The Sun Online: “She would not have been able to open the window on her own and it was found propped open."
Cops release pics of window mysteriously propped open after Nora, 15, vanished

 

[beatrixpotter]

I think we could say that Nora's parents are using Occam's Razor in their deductions as well. The simplest and most logical explanation for THEM involves Nora not making some strange, extraordinary and out of character behavior like sneaking out of a window and running off into a jungle.

That might seem more likely and plausible to the police. But in her parents world view it is a more likely scenario that based on their intimate knowledge of Nora and her behavior from infancy it's more likely that someone else did something to her for her to simply disappear. The world is arguing that the child they know must have done something incredibly out of character.

Let's not forget that Alesha Macphail was removed from a building at night that would be even more complicated to remove a child from. There were even more adults in that building and I think in closer proximity and no one heard a thing.

I certainly block out noises in my home at night all the time. If someone is walking down the hall (if I even hear them) I assume it's someone going to the bathroom and not an intruder. I don't think the most logical explanation is that of course anyone would hear and recognize an intruder at night barring they are the only ones in that home and so no noise should be expected from anyone but them. My husband gets out of bed next to me and might deal with something in the middle of the night that I completely sleep through. I think that might be less likely in a strange place but it's not remotely unheard of. I think it's pretty normal to sleep through noise if you are used to other people in your home when you have multiple family members.

 

[MsBetsy]

I haven't seen any msm that mentions sex offenders, just one that mentioned questioning anyone with a criminal record. Of course, I could have missed this link.


Her mobility simply has to be better than it sounds, or they wouldn't have picked this resort.

Well, they actually used the word pedophile, but that doesn't really make sense since she is well beyond pre-pubescence.
And yes, she is probably capable of using stairs and climbing through windows as long as there is something to hold onto to help her maintain her balance.
She apparently has trouble with coordination and balance, so having something to hold onto would help.
Even kids who can't walk can "scoot" down stairs, by sitting on one step at a time. Imo

 

[Liming]

Well, they actually used the word pedophile, but that doesn't really make sense since she is well beyond pre-pubescence.
And yes, she is probably capable of using stairs and climbing through windows as long as there is something to hold onto to help her maintain her balance.
She apparently has trouble with coordination and balance, so having something to hold onto would help.
Even kids who can't walk can "scoot" down stairs, by sitting on one step at a time. Imo

She is only 15 and with learning disabilities re your pedophile comment

 

[beatrixpotter]

Spectacular efforts. Thank you so much. Your post may spark new interest specifically to members just recently hearing of Nora and her parents.

I did read an article earlier stating a different range of scent detection by tracker dogs. The conversion of meters to feet may be throwing me off so I wanted to run it by you for clarification.

Your source stated sniffer dogs tracking Nora picked up her scent within 4,000ft of the resort however there is no trace of her beyond that range

Snip: Negeri Sembilan police chief Mohamad Mat Yusop said the girl's disappearance was still being treated as a missing person case because there was no evidence to indicate she was abducted. He said sniffer dogs picked up the girl's scent within 100 meters from her resort bedroom but the trail stopped there.
https://www.fresnobee.com/news/nation-world/world/article233564662.html

And 100 meters seems to be 328 feet.

I've never understood the "no evidence to indicate abduction". What evidence do you need in an unlocked home with a large window found left open and a child that's disappeared without a trace? Strange muddy footprints that can't be traced to anyone else there? It all seems to be hinged on the idea that since the child can walk they will assume that she left on her own of her own volition.

What kind of child would wander off in pitch black as some have suggested? Even suggesting her siblings left with her but returned. Most kids are scared to death of the dark. They want light and security. If she left on her own I'd think it had to be during daylight which would really narrow the window between her leaving and when people started searching for her. But I really don't think she left on her own.