I don't think so. That was in 1997- 12 years ago. Ron and Crystal didn't meet until 2000 I believe.
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I don't think so. That was in 1997- 12 years ago. Ron and Crystal didn't meet until 2000 I believe.
I wasn't paying attention to dates.... :bang: Thought of it more as a joke I guess ...
Well isn't that fine and dandy?! Yet she continues to throw RC under the bus, owns a home and still fails to pay child support and provide for her babies. Lovely. I really don't mean to come off as snotty but she and her family have been slinging mudd at RC left and right. Have the looked at themselves????!!!
Exactly! Hypocrites, and viscious one at that. It really irks, appalls and annoys me at the same time. RC hasn't been anything about any of this, he has continually kept quiet and focused on finding his baby girl. I am not by any means saying he's a saint. Just saying he works hard and does the best he knows how for his babies.
I am wondering the very same. Also wondering why GR failed to mention or expunge any of these circumstances, only focused on RC?
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This is the other thread I found for Marie Griffis.....hope it is the right one. I wanted to post the information about the Voice Stress Analysis here, in Marie's latest interview she states that she did not take a polygraph she took a VSA which is this....
From Wikipedia:
Voice Stress Analysis (VSA) is a controversial lie detection technology.[1] It has been described as pseudoscientific[2], and there is no known scientific basis for the underlying theory of "microtremors". Federally funded research showed "little validity" in the technique.[3]. A study by Virginia State in 2003, at which time the technique was in widespread use, concluded that "Because there have been no independent scientific studies conducted on the reliability of the computer voice analyzer to detect deception, the Board recommends to the Director of the Department of Professional and Occupational Regulation that computer voice analyzer equipment should not be approved in Virginia at this time."[4], though a number of academic studies are available which call into question the validity of the technique[5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]
There is tension between the voice stress analysis community and the polygraph community, due in the main to the fact that the polygraph is heavily regulated and has been subject to numerous detailed scientific studies, while voice stress analysis is largely unregulated and there are few studies (other than by manufacturers and proponents) which show results better than chance.
VSA technology is said to record psychophysiological stress responses that are present in human voice, when a person suffers psychological stress in response to a stimulus (question) and where the consequences of lying may be dire for the subject being 'tested'.[13]
In the Detection Of Deception (DOD) scenario, the voice-stress produced in response to a Relevant Question ("did you do it?") is referred to as psychological stress or 'deceptive stress'. No DOD technology can detect a lie or truth unequivocally. It is the fear of being exposed as lying to the question being posed that produces the 'high stress' voice signature, aka voice graph or voice tracing.
The technique's accuracy remains debated. There are independent research studies that support the use of VSA as a reliable lie detection technology, whilst there are other studies that dispute its reliability.[14][15]
VSA is distinctly different from Layered Voice Analysis (LVA). LVA is used to measure many different components of the voice, but is not reliable in the detection of 'deceptive stress'. LVA measures a wide range of emotions, including excitement, confusion, attention and more. LVA is available in many different forms of products, ranging from server based intelligence use systems, to hand-held devices and standard PC software. The Sense Technology [16], the consumer version of the LVA technology, is available in different products and produces non-useful readings such as 'love' and 'Embarrassment' (not relevant in DOD applications).[17]
The main difference in the method of operation between LVA and VSA is based on the analyzed frequencies ranges: while VSA focuses on the 8–14 Hz range (which is picked up by specialised microphones), LVA uses a wider spectrum range to extract information that is amusing but not particularly relevant to DOD. [18].
From Wikipedia:
Voice Stress Analysis (VSA) is a controversial lie detection technology.[1] It has been described as pseudoscientific[2], and there is no known scientific basis for the underlying theory of "microtremors". Federally funded research showed "little validity" in the technique.[3]. A study by Virginia State in 2003, at which time the technique was in widespread use, concluded that "Because there have been no independent scientific studies conducted on the reliability of the computer voice analyzer to detect deception, the Board recommends to the Director of the Department of Professional and Occupational Regulation that computer voice analyzer equipment should not be approved in Virginia at this time."[4], though a number of academic studies are available which call into question the validity of the technique[5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]
There is tension between the voice stress analysis community and the polygraph community, due in the main to the fact that the polygraph is heavily regulated and has been subject to numerous detailed scientific studies, while voice stress analysis is largely unregulated and there are few studies (other than by manufacturers and proponents) which show results better than chance.
VSA technology is said to record psychophysiological stress responses that are present in human voice, when a person suffers psychological stress in response to a stimulus (question) and where the consequences of lying may be dire for the subject being 'tested'.[13]
In the Detection Of Deception (DOD) scenario, the voice-stress produced in response to a Relevant Question ("did you do it?") is referred to as psychological stress or 'deceptive stress'. No DOD technology can detect a lie or truth unequivocally. It is the fear of being exposed as lying to the question being posed that produces the 'high stress' voice signature, aka voice graph or voice tracing.
The technique's accuracy remains debated. There are independent research studies that support the use of VSA as a reliable lie detection technology, whilst there are other studies that dispute its reliability.[14][15]
VSA is distinctly different from Layered Voice Analysis (LVA). LVA is used to measure many different components of the voice, but is not reliable in the detection of 'deceptive stress'. LVA measures a wide range of emotions, including excitement, confusion, attention and more. LVA is available in many different forms of products, ranging from server based intelligence use systems, to hand-held devices and standard PC software. The Sense Technology [16], the consumer version of the LVA technology, is available in different products and produces non-useful readings such as 'love' and 'Embarrassment' (not relevant in DOD applications).[17]
The main difference in the method of operation between LVA and VSA is based on the analyzed frequencies ranges: while VSA focuses on the 8–14 Hz range (which is picked up by specialised microphones), LVA uses a wider spectrum range to extract information that is amusing but not particularly relevant to DOD. [18].
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How do we know Marie didn't take a Lie test? Asking here as it was stated on Misty thread.
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From the article at this link:http://www.jacksonville.com/news/me...aleighs_family_remains_divided_6_months_later
About midway down under the Theories Abound section.
"Pressures have come from all sides and been kept alive on the Web where bloggers argue and speculate, said family members and others in the case.
Griffis said she has become accustomed to accusations.
“If there is inconsistencies that the police know about on our side of the family, they need to come question us,” she said. “I want them to question us.”
Mainstream media attention has waned, she said.
“All the interest is just that, it is in the blogs,” she said.
She has been accused of masterminding an abduction, that Haleigh is somewhere with other family members, she said.
She has asked to take a lie detector test and was given a voice stress analysis.
The next step should be for detectives to name those who are no longer suspects, she said.
“You need to start excluding the people that you know do not have this information,” she said.
Bowling said it takes rock-solid alibis before detectives can eliminate anyone and those have not been established. He said the best that can be done is assign degrees of suspicion to people.
About midway down under the Theories Abound section.
"Pressures have come from all sides and been kept alive on the Web where bloggers argue and speculate, said family members and others in the case.
Griffis said she has become accustomed to accusations.
“If there is inconsistencies that the police know about on our side of the family, they need to come question us,” she said. “I want them to question us.”
Mainstream media attention has waned, she said.
“All the interest is just that, it is in the blogs,” she said.
She has been accused of masterminding an abduction, that Haleigh is somewhere with other family members, she said.
She has asked to take a lie detector test and was given a voice stress analysis.
The next step should be for detectives to name those who are no longer suspects, she said.
“You need to start excluding the people that you know do not have this information,” she said.
Bowling said it takes rock-solid alibis before detectives can eliminate anyone and those have not been established. He said the best that can be done is assign degrees of suspicion to people.
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Marie stated that she asked to take a lie detector test and was given the voice Analysis test instead.
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From the article at this link:http://www.jacksonville.com/news/me...aleighs_family_remains_divided_6_months_later
bbm - interesting, and she has not taken a poly
bbm - interesting, and she has not taken a poly
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I agree, when I first read the article I a little confused as to why she wouldn't take a poly. Then I read and and saw that she ASKED to take one and was given the VSA instead. I wonder if LE used this tool with others as well. I know that when Crystal was asked about the lie detector test she said she DID take one. I am trying to find out what the difference is and if there is any significance whatsoever.
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I suppose you can believe what she said. I don't.
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I don't see the word "instead". I see that she asked to take a polygraph and was [also?] given a VSA test. It could mean she took both. I wonder if they gave everyone VSA and how they decide which to use?
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That could be Elle, or LE could be cautious and not disclosing the focus of their investigation.
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good point....lol.....I looked and you are correct, it does not say instead. It just says that she asked for a poly and was given the VSA. I will not make such assumptions again.....lol
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I hope you don't think I was being snarky (like people on other boards who correct grammar and spelling, ugh!) I was just wondering if she could possibly have taken both. With this case, what we don't know could fill a library.
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No, lol.....no snark. I just overlooked what you saw and wanted you to know!
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