Trocroc9
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That’s what I’m thinkingCould be an ex from either side, the new guy or one of her formers. JMO
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That’s what I’m thinkingCould be an ex from either side, the new guy or one of her formers. JMO
That’s what I’m thinkin
In that case they would have DNA, that would be great. In Eliza’s case the perp who grabbed her off the street lost his plastic slides. They were able to get DNA from the shoes (touch?) which helped identify him pretty quickly.If someone was assaulting her and she was on the ground, maybe she grabbed the rock and hit the perp first. That person could be injured and if they are I am betting they are out of the public eye and are acting very differently this past week until their wounds heal. Just my opinion/thinking out loud.
I’m 50/50 at this point, regardless it wasn’t well planned.I don’t think this is random at all
Premeditated? Must be someone close.Somebody must have known this place very well.
Tunnels were perfect to hide in or hide the body.
JMO
That is so true about head wounds. My neighbor fell last week, getting a gash on her head in the process. If you came upon the blood stains, you would have been convinced that someone had bled to death there.Not necessarily, although that's possible too. I just know that head wounds can bleed profusely and was wondering if anyone else thought the perp would have enough blood on him/her to create the trail. MOO
I had to take a stand. I agree I was 50/50 at first but then I thought about it. It was so sudden and unplanned it was a passion kill.I’m 50/50 at this point, regardless it wasn’t well planned.
What if she did? If she got his DNA under her nails does it really matter if they were fake?What if she had fake fingernails?
I’m pretty sure dna will be under fake fingernailsWhat if she did? If she got his DNA under her nails does it really matter if they were fake?
MOO
I get this .. I’m feeling crime of passion today. It feels like some ex was not happy about her new boyfriend being announced,I’m 50/50 at this point, regardless it wasn’t well planned.
I read that she was on several dating and single social media apps. It could have been someone from the gym, someone she met through dating apps, someone she knows better than apps and the gym.I think they also need to check and see if anyone at the gym had been paying particular attention to her.
Was Rachel Morin sexually assaulted? If not, the murderer was not interested in grabbing random women off the jogging path for sex.Great work. I love number crunching. So, 16% of the murders cited of women jogging were committed by someone known to the victim. (5 out of 31)
I was curious about those five cases,
Constance McClain-Murray was killed by her husband in a public park. This is the only case of the five that is potentially close to Rachel's situation. The husband followed his wife when she went on nightly walk/jog. They had been arguing about him texting another woman. She was not SA, but strangled. He "looked" for her that night, but didn't call LE to report her missing until the next morning. FWIW, she had only one arm and perhaps not capable of fighting him off.
Alexia Daval - this case is from France. She reportedly went jogging. Her husband beat her to death and burned the body. The location of her body was not on her jogging route.
Janell Mora - fled her abusive marriage with her children and filed for divorce. Her husband shot her while she was jogging and hid her body. He then called 911, confessed, and shot himself. He survived.
Laura Luelmo was killed by a neighbor in Spain. He hit her with a rock and forced her into his home and later dumped her elsewhere.
Sydney Sutherland's killer hit her with his truck while she was jogging. He then kidnapped, raped, and beat her to death. She was found buried in a shallow grave near his home.
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Man pleads guilty to strangling wife in Philadelphia park
Christopher Murray admitted to killing his wife in a park last summer as they fought over his texts to another womanwww.cbsnews.com
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France murder: Jonathann Daval jailed for 25 years for killing wife
Jonathann Daval initially reported his wife as missing, but later confessed to killing her.www.bbc.com
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Realtor gets 25 years for stalking death of wife in Mesa
In April 2017, Scottsdale Realtor Stephen Mora was on top of the world.www.themesatribune.com
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Convicted killer guilty of murdering teacher in case that prompted wave of protests in Spain
Bernardo Montoya, 53, was accused of killing Laura Luelmo, 26, by striking her across the head with a rockinews.co.uk
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Man Pleads Guilty to Murdering and Raping Jogging Ark. Nurse, Then Joining Search Party
Before she spoke at a hearing Friday, Sydney Sutherland's mother commanded Quake Lewellyn look at herpeople.com
I am 60/40 leaning towards random until we have more info. MOOI’m 50/50 at this point, regardless it wasn’t well planned.
Was she sexually assaulted?I am 60/40 leaning towards random until we have more info. MOO
I wonder what dating sites she was on as well
"Rachel is 5’2″ tall, weighing 107 pounds, with blonde hair and blue eyes. At the time of her disappearance, she was wearing a blue or black tank top, a black sports bra, black spandex shorts, and gray sneakers." AUGUST 6, 2023”First of all I want this woman's family to know my thoughts are with them as they go thru this horrific time.
Sorry to be following another case like this. It's terribly sad.
I have spent the last two days trying to familiarize myself as to the facts that have been released so far. As to the man who reported her to have suffered blows, I have no idea what happened. I will wait with the rest of you to find out when it's released.
IMO it's a very good line of thought to be wondering if RM was wearing a fitbit at the time of her murder. I went back to some of the earliest reports and hopefully this focused me a little more on what initial missing reports said she was wearing. I found no mention of jewelry or fitbit or headphones/ear-buds. This obviously doesn't mean she wasn't known to wear them. As we know well.
From this link: Woman Reported Missing, Car Found Abandoned on Ma and Pa Trail
[snipped by me] "Rachel is 5’2″ tall, weighing 107 pounds, with blonde hair and blue eyes. At the time of her disappearance, she was wearing a blue or black tank top, a black sports bra, black spandex shorts, and gray sneakers." AUGUST 6, 2023
[yes she's extremely petite and imo would be fairly easy for someone with the strength adrenaline fuels to drag her right off of that trail.]
My heart aches for her children especially. I am watching every video availabe, including the ones done of the walking/jogging trail itself, although I am not a particular "fan" of that member of the press. I digress. It is important to see the terrain and all of the areas the perp had to hide in. How noisy it seemed to be with the Hwy 24 above the drainage tunnels.
-Given that it's almost always going to be a male who commits a crime like this, however I never forget the jealous and sometimes overwhelming anger of women, towards each other. Or simply towards another...-
I don't find too many of the rumors to be compelling. If someone was at, say, a meeting while this atrocity happened, that will be easy enough for LE to find out.
I have to wonder if the perpetrator had a change of shoes with them. Those tunnels seem to have plenty of water inside them. Leaning between random and targeted. We've all thought one thing about a case and changed our view as more facts came out. So I will reserve my comments for now. Random is always a possibility.
IF she was meeting someone there, why would they kill her? I'm not thinking she would have been meeting anyone there for any romantic reason. Absolutely not. Staying absolutely victim friendly and not knowing every aspect of this poor woman's life, I have no reason to speculate on her daily routine. Having 5 children is enough to keep anyone busy, especially with her cleaning business.
* There is always the outlier in these cases, but if we happen to think we hear horse-hoof noises, it's usually best to look for a horse, not a zebra.
Lust, greed, money are all powerful motivators. Unfortunately, so is a skewed form of "love".
Following with little to add except for my sincere condolences and my fervent wish for justice for Rachel and for her family and friends.
ETA from link is that a fitbit on her wrist? My eyes aren't that good these days.
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Any information on if her phone and other items were in her vehicle? I am obviously trying to catch up here and probably missed that. There's too many "I's" in my post and not enough sincere condolences...
Chi
What if this time it is an older woman, who had a grudge against RM and thought, she would be the source of all problems. I think of someone, who knows Rachel well, knows, where she worked out, and is close to Rachel's children or some of her children. Speculation only, but from the start already.It’s so very strange she had just posted a new relationship and then was assaulted. To me that is telling. Somebody was upset.