ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 2

[menmo]

BBM
I agree about the possibility they were given a heads up by a friend or family member.
But also, I think she told him the night before. She said that she called him to ask if he were going to come for the bone specialist appt. And apparently he told her NO, we was not. I am sure that really angered her. She has already said that it did.

So she is talking to him, the night she filed for sole custody, ans he rudely tells her that he is not taking their baby to an important doctor's appt, one needed because she was injured under his watch/

What better time to tell him off by her productive day in court?

Exactly. When my brother and his ex were divorcing I kept telling him to play his cards close to the vest. She'd call and get him so worked up that he'd end up telling her a bunch of things she should have never had the heads up on, just to try and show her that he was on top of things. No matter how many times I'd tell him it would always play out like this. In some ways I could understand how he would get so worked up but I know you don't usually come out on top if you show your game plan ahead of time. Some people can't help it though. Just as Ayla's mom saying that dad said he was going to take custody from her...I think it started just like that and escalated until they both told all their plans to each other.
Sigh. Where is Ayla!!

MOO

 

[cluciano63]

Has the paternal grandmother had anything to say about this situation?

The only thing heard from paternal side at all was that rather awkward statement issued from the father on day 4 or 5...

 

[JeannieC]

BBM
I agree about the possibility they were given a heads up by a friend or family member.
But also, I think she told him the night before. She said that she called him to ask if he were going to come for the bone specialist appt. And apparently he told her NO, we was not. I am sure that really angered her. She has already said that it did.

So she is talking to him, the night she filed for sole custody, ans he rudely tells her that he is not taking their baby to an important doctor's appt, one needed because she was injured under his watch/

What better time to tell him off by describing her productive day in court?[/QUOTE]

BBM She didn't go to court. All she did was fill out the papers and file them.
I wonder if his name is on the birth certificate and if he signed it. I think LE should look into the records to see if she was removed legally and given to the father. I would think that would require a judge to sign the order or court action.

If that wasn't done they need to know who served the papers and how it came about. If it wasn't done legally someone needs to be fired! If it was someone impersonating Health and Human Services than it would lead me to believe she was taken at that time into hiding.

Neighbors said they have never seen her. It wouldn't be the first time a parent hid a child and was questioned by LE and got away with it. True, most take the child and run but some don't when they have help.

I think time will tell. It she has been taken into hiding someone in the family or a friend will talk. There are too many people involved to not have a slip of the tongue. jmo

 

[cluciano63]

NEW TODAY 12/23/2011 as of 10:20pmct
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/45775493#45775493

TR: I just want her home and I'm hoping for..maybe my Christmas present, that'll be it, that she's gonna come home.
I trusted him to keep her safe, and now she is missing and I don't know where she is, and I blame him right now because he did not protect her the way that he was supposed to.
Q: What are police telling you about the investigation right now?
TR: Nothing. No clues, not at all. Everything I'm hearing I'm hearing from uh, news reporters, broadcastings, yeah. I'm just like everybody else out there right now. I'm not hearing from any detective, any state police, nothing. Just what I hear on the news.
Q: Let's go back to the last contact you had with Ayla's father, JD. He is cooperating with police, as you saw, he released that short statement and said he has no idea what happened to Ayla. But, you checked in with him a week ago when he was supposed to take Ayla to a doctor's appointment to check her broken arm. What happened?
TR: I uh, had reached out to him on Thursday, the 15th, to see if he was definitely still coming on Friday, and he told me he was definitely not coming, and that was the last that I had spoken with Justin.
Q: And then Ayla had disappeared, as you had found out, have you heard from Justin since?
TR: I have not.
Q: And Justin says he put Ayla to bed at 8pm that night, Thursday night, into Friday, and he checked her bed at 8am. Timeline, here, is very important as you know in a missing person's case. You have told us that Justin would apparently always check in on Ayla, before he would go to bed. Do you have any reason to believe that he didn't, in fact, do that?
TR: Uh, I don't know in this case right now, but yeah, he's told me numerous times before he'd go to bed he'd check on her. Why would this one time would you not check on her? So I'm not sure, like..
Q: There's a lot of questions and speculation about the custody situation, I know that Ayla was put into, by child protective services, into custody, uh, Justin got custody of Ayla in October...
TR: He did not get custody of Ayla.
Q:...temporary custody in October? He did not?
TR: No, he did not, no, he did not.
Q: Why was she in his care?
TR: Nothing stating..Because Department of Health and Human Services violated my rights. That is why she ended in Justin's care. There was no court order, there was no nothing that had to do with any custody at all. None, whatsoever.
Q: Did you file for sole custody though, the couple of days before she disappeared?
TR: On Thursday, yeah, I went to Portland courthouse and I filed for parental rights and responsibilities.
Q: And did you have any reason to believe that Justin was not being a caring parent to Ayla?
TR: Um, I don't think we was not a non-caring parent..I just..I just think the way he was going about things was just wrong, by lots of ways and I mean, just, after a while of not hearing from her and not being able to see her, a mother is going to get suspicious. And that's..I started getting very suspicious of um, what was going on.
TR: And uh, could I just uh, thank everyone out there for um, you know, especially the mothers, you know, mother to mother who's uh, out searching for my daughter and who has you know, been there, looking and not giving up and giving their prayers.


http://www.watervillepolice.org/



Ayla on America's Most Wanted tonight, 12/23:

http://www.amw.com/show_archive/tv_detail.cfm?id=1655&refresh=1

We need to have WS'ers do the interviews in these cases...I have yet to see a decent interview, without errors, in any of these cases, JMO...

So Mom is saying she spoke to Justin on Thursday, Dec. 15th, to ask if he was still bringing Ayla to Portland (?) for the doctor visit; he says no. Then what? She must have been angry-did she tell him she went to court that day? And that he would be paying thru the nose, for example? And WHY does the interviewer say she vanished Thursday night/Friday morning and Mom agrees? It was Friday night, not Thursday, when Ayla vanished or was taken away.

All of these "professional" journalists and hosts and they can never ask the follow-up question, or get the info that is right there for the asking...very frustrating...


ETA: Why hide the child? Did Mom say she was heading up there on the weekend to get Ayla? And really, who will hide a child from the FBI, etc. when it becomes a felony? I hope that is the answer, but I don't see it, JMO.

 

[mrsu]

RE: other neighbors never seeing Ayla. Keep in mind it's been chilly out so she likely hasn't been outside playing in the time she has spent with JD. Neighbors may not have had many opportunities to see her.

Also, if there is another child about the same age also living in the home, it's possible that maybe the neighbors have actually seen someone carrying her (Ayla) to the car etc., but just assumed it was the sister's child because they didn't know better. I personally don't put too much stock in the neighbors not seeing her.

This case has me stumped. IMO something is off about the mother. So many vague statements. The whole situation seems hinky. And still no word from dad's side. From the statement he released, it seems like he believes/knows she was taken by someone and expects her to be returned. If that's not the case, I don't understand the lack of urgency.

 

[tamild]

Q: There's a lot of questions and speculation about the custody situation, I know that Ayla was put into, by child protective services, into custody, uh, Justin got custody of Ayla in October...
TR: He did not get custody of Ayla.
Q:...temporary custody in October? He did not?
TR: No, he did not, no, he did not.
Q: Why was she in his care?
TR: Nothing stating..Because Department of Health and Human Services violated my rights. That is why she ended in Justin's care. There was no court order, there was no nothing that had to do with any custody at all. None, whatsoever.

I think I may know what she is trying to say here. In her way of thinking, Justin didn't "get" custody because I think she may believe that custody is something that has to be decided by the courts. She must not have understood the implications of what she was doing when she made "an agreement", therefore "Department of Health and Human Services violated my rights." Maybe?

 

[Kiln Wood]

I think I may know what she is trying to say here. In her way of thinking, Justin didn't "get" custody because I think she may believe that custody is something that has to be decided by the courts. She must not have understood the implications of what she was doing when she made "an agreement", therefore "Department of Health and Human Services violated my rights." Maybe?

BBM

Yes, I believe you may very well be correct here. I also wonder if TR has any idea that stating the "Department of Health and Human Services violated my rights" is a serious accusation that may precipitate the State of Maine into bringing charges against her. Hopefully TR will receive the benefit of competent and informed legal counsel at some point.

 

[lauriej]

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/18341 ... a-Reynolds
Vigil held in Portland for Ayla Reynolds

Ayla's family and friends sent out hopeful messages, saying the more attention that remains on the case the more likely it is that someone will come forward with information that will bring Ayla back to her family.

Trista Reynolds put out a plea for anyone who has any information that they think might be helpful in the search to please come forward.

"I will get her home. Ayla, I love you," said Reynolds. "I'm not going nowhere."

 

[amymarie]

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/tod...75493#45775493


TR: Uh, I don't know in this case right now, but yeah, he's told me numerus times before he'd go to bed he'd check on her. Why would this one time would you not check on her? So i'm not sure, like..

Q: There's a lot of questions and speculation about the custody situation, I know that Ayla was put into, by child protective services, into custody, uh, Justin got custody of Ayla in October...

TR: He did not get custody of Ayla.

Q:...temporary custody in October? He did not?

TR: No, he did not, no, he did not.

Q: Why was she in his care?

TR: Nothing stating..Because Department of Health and Human Services violated my rights. That is why she ended in Justin's care. There was no court order, there was no nothing that had to do with any custody at all. None, whatsoever.

Q: Did you file for sole custody though, the couple of days before she disappeared?

TR: On Thursday, yeah, I went to Portland courthouse and I filed for parental rights and responsibilites.
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I am sorry, but every time mom speaks about this issue, I find myself very confused.

IMO, if CPS took custody away from her family and handed the child over to the father, then he must have had some kind of temporary custody order. CPS does not take a child out of the bio mom's care and give them over to someone else withoput some kind of legal paperwork.

And I do not believe their story that it was because CPS did not 'like' the mom's family.

eta: I do not believe that Mom had anything to do with the baby going missing, but I do think that she had some parental issues going on as well. And i am not jumping to conclusions that the father was the perp , not yet anyway.

Based on mom's statements, it sounds as if CPS showed up and asked her to sign a safety plan allowing Ayla to stay with her father. Most people do not know you don't have to sign these plans, and CPS often presents them as if you have no choice.

Had mom refused to agree to the safety plan, CPS would have had to then go to a judge to get a court order to remove Ayla. Mom probably found this out later, which is why she feels her rights were violated.

 

[amymarie]

snipped and BBM

That is the thing that doesn't make sense to me. How could he be in the sole custody of Ayla when paternity hadn't even been established? He would be her putative father legally, and well, putative fathers generally don't have any rights. So while TR could have agreed to let Ayla stay with him while she was in rehab, I can't see how CPS could have placed her there. He's a legal stranger. There is something fishy about this whole situation. JMHO. . .MOO and all that.

I don't think he's saying he had sole custody. I think he's saying she was solely (as in only) his custody when she disappeared. Sounds like he is blaming himself, IMO.

 

[hambirg]

I don't think he's saying he had sole custody. I think he's saying she was solely (as in only) his custody when she disappeared. Sounds like he is blaming himself, IMO.

I understand what you are saying. I guess I think it was a poor choice of words, because he made it sound like he had sole custody of Ayla. . . .semantics, I guess.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Based on mom's statements, it sounds as if CPS showed up and asked her to sign a safety plan allowing Ayla to stay with her father. Most people do not know you don't have to sign these plans, and CPS often presents them as if you have no choice.

Had mom refused to agree to the safety plan, CPS would have had to then go to a judge to get a court order to remove Ayla. Mom probably found this out later, which is why she feels her rights were violated.

The use of the words "most" and "often" lend themselves to sweeping allegations. Are there specific examples or studies that an be cited to back up these accusations?

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think he's saying he had sole custody. I think he's saying she was solely (as in only) his custody when she disappeared. Sounds like he is blaming himself, IMO.

I didn't get the impression he said it, as in blaming himself, at all.

 

[NFYIAMY]

Q: Did you file for sole custody though, the couple of days before she disappeared?
TR: On Thursday, yeah, I went to Portland courthouse and I filed for parental rights and responsibilities.

I get this hinky feeling from mom that I just can't shake.

I think it's because her story keeps changing (ever so slightly) and just isn't adding up. Initially it was she hadn't really talked with the dad - now we find out that she called and spoke to him the night before her doctor appt. (which was in the town where mom lives - not where dad lives IIRC) - Could she have called and threatened to show up to get/take the baby from him at that appt? I think there's a LOT more to the conversations that she NOW says she had with dad right before Ayla went missing.

Also - how easy would it have been (since she now admits to knowing the layout of the house - who sleeps where, etc) could mom (or someone close to mom) to have driven there and scooped the baby up in the middle of the night? I've had to admit that when we lived in a house that didn't have an alarm - my husband is such a deep sleeper that I would joke someone could come in and rob us blind while he slept and he wouldn't know until the next morning --- so I don't see that as an impossible feat (someone slipping in and grabbing the baby). That makes sense with the neighbor hearing a 'loud' car etc...... (and, again IIRC, LE stated that both vehicles they removed from the home WILL BE RETURNED to the paternal family - thus they must not need them for evidence?)

This would also make sense to me with the maternal family staying away - not in full PANIC mode in waterville regardless of what police say (I would be there staying out of the way of LE but offering to help serve food to the people that were searching - or something -- at least being able to get SOME kind of information on my missing baby (IF I really believed she was missing) -- and not relying on MSM reporters to tell me what's up.

There's a bunch more inconsistencies that have come from the mom - but I didn't have time this morning to go put it together. I'm cooking dinner for the whole family (because my 84 yr old mom couldn't quite do it this year) and going to take it to mom's so no one knows SHE didn't do it. A little Christmas magic for my mom.

Praying for news on all these missing babies for Christmas!

 

[hambirg]

The use of the words "most" and "often" lend themselves to sweeping allegations. Are there specific examples or studies that an be cited to back up these accusations?

Well, since I know nothing about CPS safety plans I Googled it.

Lots of websites about knowing your rights, etc.

I did find this. It's a law blog from 2005 and it discusses a case in Illinois (but they don't name the case and the link no longer works.) But I found it informative nonetheless.



When a Child Safety Plan = Coercion
The recent trend in child protective services (CPS) of creating safety plans received a set back recently in federal court. Judge Rebecca R. Pallmeyer of the United States District Court, Northern District of Illinois ruled that in-home safety plans created by the Illinois Department of Children and Families (DCFS) were illegal because they were secured in a coercive manner. . .

http://www.childlaw.us/2005/03/when-a-child-safety-plan-coerc.html

 

[Evan's Mom]

I get this hinky feeling from mom that I just can't shake.

I think it's because her story keeps changing (ever so slightly) and just isn't adding up. Initially it was she hadn't really talked with the dad - now we find out that she called and spoke to him the night before her doctor appt. (which was in the town where mom lives - not where dad lives IIRC) - Could she have called and threatened to show up to get/take the baby from him at that appt? I think there's a LOT more to the conversations that she NOW says she had with dad right before Ayla went missing.

Also - how easy would it have been (since she now admits to knowing the layout of the house - who sleeps where, etc) could mom (or someone close to mom) to have driven there and scooped the baby up in the middle of the night? I've had to admit that when we lived in a house that didn't have an alarm - my husband is such a deep sleeper that I would joke someone could come in and rob us blind while he slept and he wouldn't know until the next morning --- so I don't see that as an impossible feat (someone slipping in and grabbing the baby). That makes sense with the neighbor hearing a 'loud' car etc...... (and, again IIRC, LE stated that both vehicles they removed from the home WILL BE RETURNED to the paternal family - thus they must not need them for evidence?)

This would also make sense to me with the maternal family staying away - not in full PANIC mode in waterville regardless of what police say (I would be there staying out of the way of LE but offering to help serve food to the people that were searching - or something -- at least being able to get SOME kind of information on my missing baby (IF I really believed she was missing) -- and not relying on MSM reporters to tell me what's up.

There's a bunch more inconsistencies that have come from the mom - but I didn't have time this morning to go put it together. I'm cooking dinner for the whole family (because my 84 yr old mom couldn't quite do it this year) and going to take it to mom's so no one knows SHE didn't do it. A little Christmas magic for my mom.

Praying for news on all these missing babies for Christmas!

Actually, what mom said was, that she had not talked to dad since Ayla went missing; not that she hadn't talked to him since he had Ayla.

 

[matou]

Search is still continuing despite the snow, thank God. The home is still being searched. Is there anyone who can search who has ownership of 29 Violette Avenue in Waterville, ME? I know this home search is happening with consent but if the home is not owned by Justin then I'm guessing that he is not the one who consented to the search. Just curious.

http://www.wmtw.com/news/30068484/detail.html

 

[cluciano63]

Search is still continuing despite the snow, thank God. The home is still being searched. Is there anyone who can search who has ownership of 29 Violette Avenue in Waterville, ME? I know this home search is happening with consent but if the home is not owned by Justin then I'm guessing that he is not the one who consented to the search. Just curious.

http://www.wmtw.com/news/30068484/detail.html

A tax database I found says ****** DiPietro, who may be his mom? A woman's name...

 

[matou]

The reporter in the clip says that she spoke with Justin and that he says he loves Ayla and hopes she comes home soon (paraphrasing). @ around 1:20.

http://www.wmtw.com/news/30068484/detail.html

 

[matou]

A tax database I found says ****** DiPietro, who may be his mom? A woman's name...

Thanks xo Do we have any statements from Justin's mother?