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Yes, of course. I can't guess. I was and am all for EC getting LWOP as I say again---he is too dangerous to count on rehabilitation. Public safety is the first consideration MOO.Can I change my mind?it is good jurors are taking their time, however, earlier I said it will be guilty, but it's looking more like a hung jury, deadlocked jury. moo
Could EC's journal and texts to his friend be used in his appealOXFORD, Mich. – Despite repeated requests from the defense, the Oxford High School shooter did not testify at his mother’s involuntary manslaughter trial as previously thought possible.![]()
Why the Oxford shooter didn’t testify at his mother’s manslaughter trial
Despite repeated requests from the defense, the Oxford High School shooter did not testify at his mother’s involuntary manslaughter trial as previously thought possible.www.clickondetroit.com
Last week during the trial of Jennifer Crumbley, defense attorney Shannon Smith made it clear she wanted to call the shooter to the witness stand.
In the years since the shooting, a large catalogue of evidence has been discussed in court, including journal entries and text messages written by the shooter that criticize his parents and their alleged lack of attention. Still, the defense had hoped to call the shooter to the stand in defense of his mother.
It could’ve been a beneficial approach for the defense if the now-sentenced shooter spoke approvingly of his mother and accepted sole responsibility for the Nov. 30, 2021, shooting -- as he did in a statement during his sentencing hearing in December 2023...
I wonder if someone from WDIV (Channel 4, Detroit) is reading here and posted this article when questions were asked earlier about why Ethan didn't testify at his mother's trial?
This makes sense considering Michigan's prior we don't give a *advertiser censored* about kids,says our gun storage laws.Looks like the Michigan legislature passed firearm safe storage legislation and Michigan governor signed the bill into law in April 2023. Interesting data that half of all gun owners don't store or lock their guns.
“Over half of all gun owners don’t store and lock their guns, which means millions of young children live in homes with unlocked and loaded firearms,” said state Representative Felicia Brabec (D-Pittsfield Township), chair of the Michigan Firearm Safety and Violence Prevention Caucus. “That’s why we’ve introduced bills that crate safe storage requirements for firearm owners with children in the home. By keeping guns properly stored, we can prevent even the potential misuse of those weapons by children. We have a chance and a responsibility to change the culture around keeping guns responsibly and securely stored. I have high hopes that these bills will not only encourage responsible gun ownership but that they will save Michiganders’ lives.”
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I see Matthews going real easy on JC.I suspect that if she's found guilty she will get 15 years for each count, served concurrently.
I dont think she thinks about him or will care to be in contact w him in the future as in the past imo. Shes that kind of helicopter mom...If JC is found not guilty how do you think visits with EC would work? Under glass at the jail like normal? I guess he would be able to call her and she would be able to write to him.
EC's gun was a 9mm Sig Sauer semi-automatic handgun, the other 2 guns in the house weren't semi-automatic.Good point about the history of other guns in the home.
Is that an actual law? Because that’s what the elements of the manslaughter changes essentially boil down to, per the jury instructions.I have thought since the beginning that she has been mischarged. IMO, should have been criminal negligence resulting in death.
I do believe JC, if found not guilty, will visit her son, and yes probably between a glass partition.If JC is found not guilty how do you think visits with EC would work? Under glass at the jail like normal? I guess he would be able to call her and she would be able to write to him.
I do hope it's not a hung jury and that JC is found not guilty. This is a tragedy. Seeking to blame parents is not the way to fix this culture.A hung jury is basically a Not Guilty verdict. I seriously doubt the state will elect to try this again. And I think they will dismiss charges against James as well. They’ve been punished enough imo.
I may come back here to eat my words if the jury votes Guilty!
JMO
Edited to add - I should add they won’t retry unless it’s 10-2 or 11-1 for guilty. I doubt it will be that though. I think it will be split down the middle
By contrast, how do you feel about the culpability of the school?I do hope it's not a hung jury and that JC is found not guilty. This is a tragedy. Seeking to blame parents is not the way to fix this culture.
By contrast, how do you feel about the culpability of the school?
IMO zero chance of an acquittal. Zero.
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also a Hung Jury = no verdict ( HJ doesn't mean Not Guilty)
because the jury can't reach any verdict. Mistrial. ( Verdict in this case has to be unanimous)
I don’t think Jame will get off completely, the gun was in is name .A hung jury is basically a Not Guilty verdict. I seriously doubt the state will elect to try this again. And I think they will dismiss charges against James as well. They’ve been punished enough imo.
I may come back here to eat my words if the jury votes Guilty!
JMO
Edited to add - I should add they won’t retry unless it’s 10-2 or 11-1 for guilty. I doubt it will be that though. I think it will be split down the middle
That is what is tragic. And all the shootings continue. Hope caring good parents are on the jury, I read the descriptions of the jurors.Yes, but it shows that JC and JamesC were not in the minority of individuals who don't lock up their guns. And if Michigan law didn't require it, I just don't see how they can be guilty of manslaughter.
I agree. The investigation already shows that too. ( Board and Superintendant's wouldn't even speak to the school investigators.)I'm not sure to be honest. I'm not one to have a lot of trust in school counselors or guidance personnel or principal. My kids went to a private school K-12, so we had issues with influential parents paying their kids out of trouble and athletes running wild without scrutiny.
To answer your question as directly as I can, I think a lot of these school officials are weak in experience and make next to nothing. I think may be overwhelmed and not adequately skilled.
Hi lonetraveler, what is the sentence for that, and would it be 4 charges? Thank you.I have thought since the beginning that she has been mischarged. IMO, should have been criminal negligence resulting in death.
Won't he just blame his wife when he's tried in March this year?I don’t think Jame will get off completely, the gun was in is name .