MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, shooting at Oxford High School, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents*

[Gardenista]

This prosecutor is horrible. Absolutely no blame on the school at all. Disgusting.

 

[Facinatingtimes]

Wondering if further investigation will result in charges against the school system …. Wow. Are schools not allowed to search students stuff at all these days? Even after a disturbing drawing like that?

 

[x_files]

The negligence of the parents far, far outweighs any mistakes the school may have made. They were with him in the school that morning. They saw what he drew and wrote. They left without him. IMO

True, but the school has the power to INSIST he is suspended and NOT return until he receives therapy. The parents cannot just leave him there and claim no responsibility either. They could have called authorities at this point.
We need to know what happened in that meeting.

 

[ReadySet]

The school's concern was for Ethan's well being, in addition to the school's safety. If parent's refused to take him home, which it is stated was the case, how could they have expelled him? To where? With who? I do agree that best practices would be that he would have been placed in in-school suspension, or "safe school" as it was called at my last school. But the school's responsibility here pales in comparison to the parent's.

They should have expelled him.

 

[jenn83]

What was the drawing? Killing people?

 

[Gardenista]

Glad the reporters are asking the hard questions about the school. She was stammering trying to answer. I hope they keep pressing her.

 

[ReadySet]

Is there any evidence that students wanted to report to the school, but didn't feel safe to do so?

Yes, there's always RED FLAGS, but it's important fellow students report to the school or to the police. But they must feel safe enough to do so. Schools and authorities need to listen.

 

[ReadySet]

IMO her anger is expressed in the right place, the parents. It's easy to blame the school. Why is it so hard to blame the parents? The parents have more power with their child than the school.

This prosecutor is horrible. Absolutely no blame on the school at all. Disgusting.

 

[Kristin Esq.]

Mother texted to her son some very incriminating statements, including telling him to learn not to get caught

The prosecutor said something about a drawing - is that what this is about?

 

[Kristin Esq.]

School told parents he needed to get counseling ASAP. Parents failed to ask son where gun was. They didn't want to take their son with them when they left the school.

Later, Mom texted to son "Ethan, don't do it". Later, after shooting, father called 911, said he thought his son did it with his gun. Gun was stored unlocked in a drawer in parents bedroom.

His mom texted him not to do it and didn't think to call the school and alert them that he could be doing something like this??

 

[Kristin Esq.]

They tried to make the parents take their son home after the school meeting, but they refused. Wanted him to stay at school. Not sure what else the school could have done.

This is all so surprising, I'm sorry I missed most of it.

 

[Gardenista]

His mom texted him not to do it and didn't think to call the school and alert them that he could be doing something like this??

She texted him after the public was alerted about the shooting. My impression is she was telling him not to kill himself.

 

[ReadySet]

I wondered about that, as the middle school I taught at did search student's backpacks. (Backpacks were actually not allowed in classrooms, but this was a high school.) But why didn't the parents look in his backpack? After seeing his drawing and words, why weren't they concerned? In that meeting and in general, the parents had the power and the responsibility.

I would be interested to know if there is some law or policy that backpacks cannot be searched.

Wondering if further investigation will result in charges against the school system …. Wow. Are schools not allowed to search students stuff at all these days? Even after a disturbing drawing like that?

 

[Doghairrules]

Yes, there's always RED FLAGS, but it's important fellow students report to the school or to the police. But they must feel safe enough to do so. Schools and authorities need to listen.

Definitely. And also parents should not be buying guns for teens who are going through a rough time. And when said teen expresses violent thoughts about others, the parents WHO ARE THE ONLY ONES PRESENT WHO KNEW HE HAD A GUN, Didn’t ask about it. Or take their son Home until they could find a therapist. It’s beyond negligent.

 

[Only4Justice]

I’m behind. I am so glad they charged the parents! The DA is impressive. Michigan

 

[Betty P]

They should have expelled him.

At that point in time, they probably didn't have justification for that. Drawing pictures and writing scary words on paper may not be enough to justify expulsion. He made no direct threat to anyone at the school.

They had no idea he was carrying a gun in his backpack, however, his parents probably suspected he had it. They had just bought it for him.

 

[TGIRecovered]

They should have expelled him.

I agree. This was a matter for police, way too serious to be handled by just the school officials.

The fact that school administration did not insist upon in searching his backpack is a school safety 101 mistake. They also should have refused to allow parents to leave him at school. Ban him from campus and trespass him if parents refused.

I hold the school district, the parents, and the shooter responsible for this horrific tragedy. Every adult involved except the teacher who immediately turned over the picture of the drawing failed to protect the students.

 

[x_files]

Wondering if further investigation will result in charges against the school system …. Wow. Are schools not allowed to search students stuff at all these days? Even after a disturbing drawing like that?

He should have been searched if he was indeed caught making death threats to other schoolmates.
At what point should a school involve the police regarding death threats?

 

[Kristin Esq.]

Ethan Crumbley was searching ammunition on his cell phone in class and a teacher reported it. School called and emailed parents – but got no response. Detectives say Ethan’s mom texted him: “LOL I’m not mad at you. You have to learn how not to get caught.”

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1466826085761527817

 

[x_files]

I agree. This was a matter for police, way too serious to be handled by just the school officials.

The fact that school administration did not insist upon in searching his backpack is a school safety 101 mistake. They also should have refused to allow parents to leave him at school. Ban him from campus and trespass him if parents refused.

I hold the school district, the parents, and the shooter responsible for this horrific tragedy. Every adult involved except the teacher who immediately turned over the picture of the drawing failed to protect the students.

I wonder what laws govern this school district that would allow bag search?