MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #12 - Chauvin Trial Day 9

[Tippy Lynn]

Civil rights attorney identifies man in fatal Minneapolis incident; FBI, BCA investigation underway

'Completely And Utterly Messed Up': Video Of Fatal Arrest Shows MPD Officer Kneeling On Man's Neck For At Least 7 Minutes


MN - George Floyd, 46, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 **Media & Timeline - NO DISCUSSION

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Thread #4 - Chauvin Opening Statements and Trial Day 1
Thread #5 - Chauvin Trial Day 2
Thread #6 - Chauvin Trial Day 3
Thread #7 - Chauvin Trial Day 4
Thread #8 - Chauvin Trial Day 5
Thread #9 - Chauvin Trial Day 6
Thread #10 - Chauvin Trial Day 7
Thread #11 - Chauvin Trial Day 8

Sidebar discussion week #1
Sidebar discussion week #2

 

[Sillybilly]

This thread is to discuss the case of George Floyd. It is not a thread to discuss racism in general.

Unless your post relates to this case specifically, it is off topic and will be removed.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Please stay on topic by discussing the trial without introducing the peripheral matters of riots and protests, BLM, all the extraneous chatter about racial inequities and other social justice issues.

We acknowledge, we understand how critical this trial is in relation to those issues, but we need to stay focused on this case and the trial itself. Yes there is overlap with those important issues, but the thread is specifically dedicated to discussing the George Floyd case and the Derek Chauvin trial and not all those other matters.

If members wish to generally speculate on how such issues may have influenced either the victim or the accused, that's fine, but please don't bring in specifics related to all those other matters and derail the thread with social justice issues that will not be resolved in this discussion.

Thanks !!

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

To say simply that GF possibly had fear as a black man was left as reasonable speculation that doesn't warrant dissecting it any further. IF GF had that fear, surely we can all understand where it may have originated.

Quite a few posts had to be removed due to general back and forth bickering. There is no way to edit that many posts and be able to retain context so a lot of responses got removed in the process.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Members have been previously advised not to trash the witnesses. They are not there for our enjoyment or entertainment and there is no need to publicly disparage them or belittle them.

Keep it classy folks !!

Thank you.

 

[Sillybilly]

Please do not state things as fact when it is strictly your opinion.

 

[sds71]

In its opening, the state said it would call seven medical experts, in addition to the Hennepin County medical examiner, Dr. Andrew Baker, who performed the only autopsy on Mr. Floyd.
The case against Derek Chauvin will center on proving George Floyd’s cause of death.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

Can’t blame it on drugs when he never administered narcan, nor placed him on his side, nor regularly reassessed GF’s condition. Even if it was the drugs, DC still neglected to administer any aid as he was trained to do. Whether it was the knee or the drugs, DC still failed to even attempt to save GF’s life, he actually showed reckless behaviour by refusing to even acknowledge GF’s obviously critical condition.

DC was someone supposed to help in a crisis, if GF was overdosing then he should have been able to rely on DC to help him atleast until EMS arrived. DC played dumb but knew exactly what he was doing by not even agreeing to suggestions they roll him over.

I wonder what new testimony today will bring and how many times nelson uses a gun battle as a dramatic example

 

[SouthAussie]

Chauvin’s defense lawyers are suggesting that drugs ― and not the 9 minutes and 29 seconds that Chauvin pressed his knee against Floyd’s neck ― caused Floyd’s death in May 2020.

“He says, ‘Attorney Crump, you should tell them that if Derek Chauvin feels so confident in that, he should volunteer during his case to get down on the floor in that courtroom and let somebody come and put their knee on his neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds and be able to see if he can survive,’” Crump remembered Clooney writing to him.

“The experts will opine during this case that the average human being can go without oxygen from 30 seconds to 90 seconds — where George Floyd went without oxygen for over 429 seconds, and that’s why it was intentional what this officer did,” Crump added.

George Clooney Reportedly Offered Brutal Advice For The Derek Chauvin Trial | HuffPost

 

[Cubby]

Can’t blame it on drugs when he never administered narcan, nor placed him on his side, nor regularly reassessed GF’s condition. Even if it was the drugs, DC still neglected to administer any aid as he was trained to do. Whether it was the knee or the drugs, DC still failed to even attempt to save GF’s life, he actually showed reckless behaviour by refusing to even acknowledge GF’s obviously critical condition.

DC was someone supposed to help in a crisis, if GF was overdosing then he should have been able to rely on DC to help him atleast until EMS arrived. DC played dumb but knew exactly what he was doing by not even agreeing to suggestions they roll him over.

I wonder what new testimony today will bring and how many times nelson uses a gun battle as a dramatic example

Additionally, what separates this case from others is this wasn't a split second decision. Unlike a fatal police shooting - DC had 9 minutes to assess his decision to keep his knee on place, even while a crowd begged him to show mercy.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

LATEST MEDIA​

USA Today - Derek Chauvin trial day 8: George Floyd force 'excessive,' expert says

New York Post - Chauvin lawyers discovered George Floyd 'speedball' in squad car

New York Times - George Floyd’s Drug Use Returns as Focus in Derek Chauvin Trial

FOX News - Derek Chauvin defense, prosecutor disagree whether George Floyd said ‘I ate too many drugs’

Independent - More witnesses to testify as Derek Chauvin trial resumes – follow live

The Guardian - The protesters who gather every day to demand justice for George Floyd

CNN - George Floyd: Investigator in Derek Chauvin case changes mind about what Floyd said in video - CNN

CBS News - Derek Chauvin Trial 4/7/21: Forensic scientist found George Floyd's blood, pills with his DNA in squad car

Today is Day 9 of trial CIC
So far, witnesses have been

Day 1
Opening Statements
1) 911 MPD Dispatcher Jena Scurry (not to be confused with 911 call taker or fire dispatcher)
2) Speedway gas station cashier All*sha Oy*er
3) MMA guy D*nald W*lliams (prosecution only today)

Day 2
3) witness - From Yesterday, defense follow up etc with MMA guy D*nald W*lliams - he called 911
4) witness - Darn**la - was minor at the time and now 18 - she did the "viral video" that the world has seen and had little cousin with her in green shirt
5) witness - Little cousin in green (not posting any info here at WS... due to minor)
6) witness - Aly*** who was wearing white shirt and blue jeans in group shot.. knows witness #4 from school and knows another person there she drove there with ( young female K**lyn at scene with large bag on shoulder who is #7 witness) She drove up after FG was on ground -took 3 videos.
7) witness - K**lyn (?sp) Arrived with #6 witness. Minor, 17 year old. Friend of #6 Aly***. She circled her photo of standing on the curb.. had large beige bag on shoulder next to MMA guy.
8) witness - 27 yo Lady firefighter/EMT GH who was in all black with white headband that day, with CPR training (wearing uniform in court) from Minneapolis who was on a walk who took video and did 911 call. She was 7th person to arrive on the curb with others watching . The judge chewed her out at the end of today for "arguing with the court" and arguing with attorneys.

Day 3
8) Genev*eve Hans*n cont'd - Firefighter/EMT (defense questions)
9) Christopher Mart*n 19 y/o who worked in CUP FOOD store and accepted the $20 bill.
10) Christopher B*lrey 45 y/o who pulled up behind GF's car, filmed a little then left the scene
11) Charles Mcmi*lian 61 y/o who was first on scene when at CUP food wearing black shirt with white square emblem - "You can't win"
12) Lt. James Rugel with IT responsibility for body and street cams.

Day 4
13) Courtn*y R*ss GF girlfriend since 2017
14) Seth Zach*ry Bravinder - Ambulance/EMS driver
15) Eerek Smith - Ambulance/EMS who did pulse and compressions
16) Jeremy Norton - Captain/EMT at firestation #17 who responded to scene/2nd scene
17) David Pleoger - MPD Sgt. who took call from dispatcher complaint, went to scene, went hospital.

Day 5 - Friday 4/2/2021
18) Sgt Jon Edwards - MPD who took over shift from Pleoger
19) Richard Zimmerman - MPD Investigator for critical incidents;prior to turning over to BCA upon death of GF

Day 6
20) Dr Bradford Langerfeld - Resident at hospital that pronounced GF
21) Chief Arrandondo - Head of MPD
22) Katie Blackwelll - was MPD Commander of Training Division at time of GF death

Day 7
23) Ker Yang - Sgt MPD Crisis Intervention Training Coordinator
24) Johny Mercil - Lt. MPD Oversees MPD Use of Force education who trained Chauvin
25) Nicole MacKenzie - MPD Medical Support Coordinator
26) Jody Stiger - Los Angeles Use of force expert

Day 8
26) Jody Stiger Cont'd Use of force expert from LAPD
27) Special Agent James Reyerson with Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension - BCA lead investigator
28) McKensie Anderson - BCA Forensic Scientist - DNA expert, scene lead
29) Breahna Giles - Forensic Scientist - pills
30) Susan Neith - Forensic Chemist - pills

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Bookmarking for today's testimony 4/8/2021

 

[MsBetsy]

Additionally, what separates this case from others is this wasn't a split second decision. Unlike a fatal police shooting - DC had 9 minutes to assess his decision to keep his knee on place, even while a crowd begged him to show mercy.

Yes, there was plenty of time. He was aggressive almost as soon as he arrived at the scene. I'm still wondering if he recognized Floyd from working at the club.

Even afterwards he showed no emotion or concern as Williams was telling him, "you just killed that guy." I know police officers who suffer from PTSD after killing a suspect even when deadly force was authorized. Yet Chauvin didn't seem to have a reaction, even at the hospital after Floyd was pronounced dead.

 

[Niner]

Thursday, April 8th:
*Trial continues (Day 9) (@ 9am CT - trial @ 9:15am CT) - MN – George Perry Floyd, Jr. (46) (May 25, 2020, Minneapolis, arrested for forgery & killed in police custody) - *Derek Michael Chauvin (44/now 45) police officer who held his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes & 46 seconds (Note: on 10/14/20 this has been changed to 9 minutes & 29 seconds) (& non responsive for 2 minutes & 53 seconds before officer took his knee off his neck; from 8:19pm to 8:28pm his knee was on Floyd’s neck; has been fired (5/26/20) & arrested & charged (5/29/20) with 3rd degree murder & 2nd degree manslaughter. Charges changed (6/3/20) to 2nd degree murder-unintentional-while committing a felony, 3rd degree murder-perpetrating eminently dangerous act (3rd degree charge was dismissed on 10/22/20 & reinstated on 3/11/21) & evincing depraved mind & 2nd degree manslaughter-culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk. $500K bond, reset (6/8/20) @ $1.25M & $1M with conditions. Posted non-cash $1M bond (10/7/20) & has been released from jail.
Trial began on 3/8/21 with jury selection. Jury selection ran through March 23, 2021. Trial with opening statements & the commencement of the State’s case began on March 29, 2021. Experts anticipate the trial could last 2-4 weeks. Jurors: 12 & 2 alternates (9 women & 5 men). Jurors will be sequestered during deliberations. None of the other officers will be testifying at Chauvin’s trial.
Jurors’ info reference post #6 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #4 - Chauvin Trial Day 1
These are the incidents that State wanted to bring into trial. Reference post #279 here:
George Floyd death / Derek Chauvin trial - Sidebar week 1
Judge ruled that 2 out of 8 prior incidents with Chauvin would be coming in as "he knew better" for #3 & modus operandi evidence for #5.
See post #385 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #8 - Chauvin Trial Day 5
Bond conditions & court info 12/19/20 thru 3/23/21 & jury selection (3/9 thru 3/23) & Day 1 to 7 of Trial (3/29 to 4/6/21) reference post #8 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #11 - Chauvin Trial Day 8
4/7/21: Wednesday, Trial Day 8: Each morning of the trial the judge has set aside 9am CT/10am ET for any motions/issues with attorneys. No motions hearing.
State’s witnesses: Schleicher on direct: 26) LAPD Sgr. Jody Stiger continues testifying. Nelson on cross. And re-direct. And Nelson on re-cross. Frank of direct: 27) BCA Senior Special Agent James Reyerson. Has investigated other police killings in Minneapolis, including the deaths of Thurman Blevins & Travis Jordan shooting; he previously worked as an NYPD cop, a DEA special agent, a special agent with MN Department of Commerce Fraud Bureau. He is Case agent, lead investigator on this case. Played another Dragon Wok video, but it's not the one they meant to come up. This shows Christopher Martin, the Cup Foods clerk, approaching Floyd's SUV to ask him to return to the store. Will come back to this video later. Played BWC video (re where Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck/shoulder blade). Frank is going through body camera footage with Reyerson. Nelson on cross. And Frank on re-direct. 28) BCA forensic scientist, McKenzie Anderson. Specializes in DNA. Found pills in back of squad car. 29) Breahna Giles, forensic scientist. Giles tested the two white pills found in Floyd's car. They had markings for oxycodone/ acetaminophen (Percocet) but the pills tested positive for Methamphetamine/fentanyl. Prosecutor says sometimes homemade pills are given same markings to make look legitimate. 30) Susan Neith, forensic chemist. Trial will reconvene at 9:15am on 4/8/21.
*Charged (7/22/20) with 6 counts of aiding & abetting taxes-false or fraudulent returns-filed with commissioner & 3 counts aiding & abetting taxes-failure to file return, report, document. – Omnibus hearing on 6/30/21.

 

[Cubby]

back to work, but before I go.....

Court TV is replaying the information regarding the ate too/ain't do testimony.

Listening this morning, I think I heard GF say, "Get off my face". Did anyone else hear that? ( shortly before the ate/ain't statement.)

 

[dixiegirl1035]

10:16 am Eastern

We are live........ Nelson is discussing autopsies and upcoming medical folks that we are now moving into, and how all State witnesses relied upon Dr. Baker autopsy). State says Dr. Baker will be on stand tomorrow.

Off to grab the jury....................

Dr. Martin Tobin is called to the stand - Blackwell up for the prosecution for this witness. Specialist in Chicago for pulmonary medicine and critical care. (Wish they had Dr Sehult or Dr. Hansen from MedCram )

 

[BUF]

Court TV is saying the ME will be called tomorrow.

Trial just started with a medical witness, pulmonologist and critical care specialty.


https://twitter.com/DannySpewak/status/1380164314804404229

The state has called its 31st witness of the Derek Chauvin trial: Dr. Martin Tobin, a physician from Chicago with Hines VA Hospital and Loyola University. His testimony will be important for the state to establish the argument that Chauvin's restraint of Floyd led to his death.

 

[turaj]

Charming accent...jury will like him.

 

[Katerz]

This witness reminds me of my dad. I just wanna hug him lol

 

[Niner]

Cathy Russon
@cathyrusson
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#DerekChauvinTrial - The jury is expected to arrive around 9:15 CT. However, the judge mentioned they may have some matters to take up before that. Will the judge rule today about Morries Hall testimony? Stay tuned to

We expect the state to move into the medical testimony. Here is a list Jerry Blackwell showed jurors in his opening statement.




State confirms they are calling medical experts today however, Dr. Baker will not be called until tomorrow.

- Dr. Martin Tobin - Pulmonologist is the first to take the stand for the state today.




link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson