Jackielee09
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I stand corrected.Although it's hard to see, his hands were not in his pockets. His gloved hand was on his thigh.
I stand corrected.Although it's hard to see, his hands were not in his pockets. His gloved hand was on his thigh.
Glad he has finally been charged. I hope he gets a decent sentence
Seems like BS to me wrt intent, but probably the best call to make sure of a conviction.
Third-Degree Murder
Third-degree murder falls between manslaughter and third-degree murder charges. This murder is not based on having the intent to kill. Third-degree murder is often charged as a depraved heart or mind crime. This charge can arise when a person fires a gun in a crowd without intending to kill anyone, for example. Murder is charged when a person is killed and the defendant has an indifference to the sanctity of human life. This charge may also result if a person sells bad drugs. The maximum penalty for murder is up to 25 years in prison. If the death resulted because of a Schedule I or II drug sale, a fine of up to $40,000 may result.
https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/murder-charges-in-minnesota-43141
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.185
I am reading the 3rd degree definition from above. I have some questions.
From the post above:
a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov
Questions:
1.He has his knee on the neck. The man is asking for relief. The crowd is calling for relief. The man goes slack. The killer doesn't adjust, change position, get off Mr. Floyd, or turn Mr. Floyd over to give him the opportunity to breathe. Any reasonable person could see the man was in distress and not conscious. He rendered no aid. How is that not intent to kill?
2. What were they waiting for by keeping Mr. Floyd on the ground, under that knee for 7+ minutes? He was defenseless. Yes, he was a tall man but there were 4 cops. No cop asked for further back-up as far as I can tell. Show of force? Showing off for the rookies?
3. What is the training on that hold? How long can you jam your knee into the neck of a person before you cause their death? (I am not talking about embolisms or tears but more length of time.)
4. As Mr. Floyd is pleading for him to stop, the killer does not. As the pleas get more desperate, Mr. Floyd can not try to escape as there are three on him. How is it reasonable to think that continued lack of capacity for his lungs to breathe combined with cutting of his blood flood with the knee would not cause permanent damage or death?
I wonder why they are pursuing 3rd degree rather than a higher charge (I know that they can increase the charges).
For the same charges Chauvin is facing. The maximum sentence that can be handed down is 25 years which I imagine they'll push for considering the difference between the two cases.Muhammad Noor only got 12.5 years, so don't hold your breath.
Muhammad Noor only got 12.5 years, so don't hold your breath.
For the same charges Chauvin is facing. The maximum sentence that can be handed down is 25 years which I imagine they'll push for considering the difference between the two cases.
Not necessarily true.
https://mn.gov/commerce/industries/insurance/businesses/property-ins.jsp
From the link:
"There are three types of property insurance plans:
- Basic form, which includes losses resulting from a fire, lightning, windstorm, hail and explosion, plus the cost of removing property to protect it from further damage.
- Broad form, which includes basic plus extended coverage for other types of perils, such as a roof collapse (e.g. caused by snow or ice), riot and civil commotion, etc.
- Special form, which includes basic and broad, and covers all direct physical losses except conditions specifically excluded as listed in the policy."
For the same charges Chauvin is facing. The maximum sentence that can be handed down is 25 years which I imagine they'll push for considering the difference between the two cases.
But the difference in the circumstances will matter to the judge. With Noor it could be argued that it happened in the spur of the moment with a huge lapse in judgement, where as with Chauvin, it's obvious it wasn't. He went way across the line by continuing to keep his knee on his neck.No difference to me.
It wouldn’t have happened if no video.I can't help but sit and wonder if these charges would have come today if it weren't for all the buildings burning last night. These charges should have come days ago and they should be more severe. Although I feel for all of those that were hurt or lost their businesses, I am glad their point was made. Black Lives Matter.
Still, it's hard to believe that only one minority business owner is supportive of the protesters. We don't know how many business owners were looted or had property damage. As I said, they can be both supportive of protesters and upset about the looters.Here is the quote from the other poster: "Minority owned businesses who burned down or were looted last night are coming out in support today of the actions".
Again, it sounds like propaganda to me.
But the difference in the circumstances will matter to the judge. With Noor it could be argued that it happened in the spur of the moment with a huge lapse in judgement, where as with Chauvin, it's obvious it wasn't. He went way across the line by continuing to keep his knee on his neck.
No difference to me.
A major difference really is the video of the killing. I agree many that the Noor case was handled awfully.