MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #16

[Sasquatch321]

I have to bring this up again.

Notice the discrepancy? I always thought he did not go down the driveway. Did he or didn't he??????

Human,

Kevin told LE, Joy, Trisha Van Pilsum, his brother and DR that he drove all the way into the building site and turned around. I believe in fact, that through pictures and discussion, that only an innocent person would even try to do that. The abductor would have backed out or turned around before entering that buildingsite before or after the abduction. Why bring jacob home? Why reveal yourself then disguise yourself before the abduction?

 

[Jewelia]

Of course there's been a lot of discussion on DR. I've been reading some older postings, and I still don't think he abducted Jacob.

One thing I wanted to touch on is the talk on his collection of newspaper articles, and related items on Jacob's case. There was discussion about "trophies". Killers will sometimes collect items related to cases as trophies. However, isn't it more likely it's an item from the victim; such as swatch of hair or clothing?

I don't think news articles can be completely ruled out, however. BUT, I'd probably want to know everything there is to know about a crime if it happened on my property, and I'd probably collect anything there was to do with this crime.

Just another perspective on why he may have saved news articles related to the case.
I do think he may know something related to the case.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Of course there's been a lot of discussion on DR. I've been reading some older postings, and I still don't think he abducted Jacob.

One thing I wanted to touch on is the talk on his collection of newspaper articles, and related items on Jacob's case. There was discussion about "trophies". Killers will sometimes collect items related to cases as trophies. However, isn't it more likely it's an item from the victim; such as swatch of hair or clothing?

I don't think news articles can be completely ruled out, however. BUT, I'd probably want to know everything there is to know about a crime if it happened on my property, and I'd probably collect anything there was to do with this crime.

Just another perspective on why he may have saves news articles related to the case.
I do think he may know something related to the case.

I agree, if he did not do it, he is a poi because he knows something. Something he has been told to keep his mouth shut on. Thank you for cooperating.

 

[human]

Human,

Kevin told LE, Joy, Trisha Van Pilsum, his brother and DR that he drove all the way into the building site and turned around. I believe in fact, that through pictures and discussion, that only an innocent person would even try to do that. The abductor would have backed out or turned around before entering that buildingsite before or after the abduction. Why bring jacob home? Why reveal yourself then disguise yourself before the abduction?

That is Kevin's quote from the article you posted up above. I copied it directly. He said he backed up

 

[human]

Of course there's been a lot of discussion on DR. I've been reading some older postings, and I still don't think he abducted Jacob.

One thing I wanted to touch on is the talk on his collection of newspaper articles, and related items on Jacob's case. There was discussion about "trophies". Killers will sometimes collect items related to cases as trophies. However, isn't it more likely it's an item from the victim; such as swatch of hair or clothing?

I don't think news articles can be completely ruled out, however. BUT, I'd probably want to know everything there is to know about a crime if it happened on my property, and I'd probably collect anything there was to do with this crime.

Just another perspective on why he may have saved news articles related to the case.
I do think he may know something related to the case.

If you read about other killers on WS, they were found wifh newspaper articles.

He did not care one whit about Jacob as evidenced by his comments. so why keep all of that stuff. Videos even.

Trophies of a more intimate kind may be hidden cleverly somewhere else

 

[human]

I agree, if he did not do it, he is a poi because he knows something. Something he has been told to keep his mouth shut on. Thank you for cooperating.

Once again. Someone who does not hesitiate to take a child would leave a loose cannon out there?

 

[Sasquatch321]

That is Kevin's quote from the article you posted up above. I copied it directly. He said he backed up

If kevin entered and backed up then the scene 40 yards up the driveway was left untouched. The perps footprints then have to still be there, just like Jacobs. The car dr saw then had to be the abductors and not kevin. the abductors tire tracks were recovered. But if things became so obvious after kevin came forward, why go on cnn and declare the perp was on foot?

 

[human]

If kevin entered and backed up then the scene 40 yards up the driveway was left untouched. The perps footprints then have to still be there, just like Jacobs. The car dr saw then had to be the abductors and not kevin. the abductors tire tracks were recovered. But if things became so obvious after kevin came forward, why go on cnn and declare the perp was on foot?

All I am posting is the discrepancy of what Kevin has said. It is there in your post in black and white.

It can be that the car never went up and turned around and they are catching DR in a nice big fabrication

 

[chaplain1]

Of course there's been a lot of discussion on DR. I've been reading some older postings, and I still don't think he abducted Jacob.

One thing I wanted to touch on is the talk on his collection of newspaper articles, and related items on Jacob's case. There was discussion about "trophies". Killers will sometimes collect items related to cases as trophies. However, isn't it more likely it's an item from the victim; such as swatch of hair or clothing?

I don't think news articles can be completely ruled out, however. BUT, I'd probably want to know everything there is to know about a crime if it happened on my property, and I'd probably collect anything there was to do with this crime.

Just another perspective on why he may have saved news articles related to the case.
I do think he may know something related to the case.

I remember the day a next-door neighbor was killed, but no stashed newspaper articles for me. I knew him, close we were not.

DR was not a poi prior to the search. Questioned many times, he was.

 

[Jewelia]

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/27/science/who-would-abduct-a-child-previous-cases-offer-clues.html

http://archive.kare11.com/news/arti...-Julie-Nelsons-conversation-with-Dan-Rassier-

1. The abduction of Jacob was alleged to be sexually motivated.

2. The above NY Times article states that "abductors" usually don't have access to children,
as those that do have access, have opportunities to groom, befriend, and gain trust of their
victims. Dan would have ample opportunity to access a victim, as he has daily contact
children. Dan has never been proven to be a child molester.

3. Dan did not go to bed, he states in the interview in the above link that he searched the
out buildings, and went to bed late.

I don't agree in full with the article from the NY Times, in that I think there's more abductions than 115 per year, but this article was printed in 2002, and I don't think LE on all levels knew the depth of the growing pedophile ring problem, and how many violent offenders weren't caught, or their crimes not documented properly.

Also, I do feel that Dan could possibly know more, and he may be more of a witness now. He has stated that he's wanted to help investigators, and he may have been TOO forthcoming.

http://www.kare11.com/video/625387048001/0/Julie-Nelson-interviews-Dan-Rassier-Part-I

 

[human]

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/27/science/who-would-abduct-a-child-previous-cases-offer-clues.html

http://archive.kare11.com/news/arti...-Julie-Nelsons-conversation-with-Dan-Rassier-

1. The abduction of Jacob was alleged to be sexually motivated.

2. The above NY Times article states that "abductors" usually don't have access to children,
as those that do have access, have opportunities to groom, befriend, and gain trust of their
victims. Dan would have ample opportunity to access a victim, as he has daily contact
children. Dan has never been proven to be a child molester.

3. Dan did not go to bed, he states in the interview in the above link that he searched the
out buildings, and went to bed late.

I don't agree in full with the article from the NY Times, in that I think there's more abductions than 115 per year, but this article was printed in 2002, and I don't think LE on all levels knew the depth of the growing pedophile ring problem, and how many violent offenders weren't caught, or their crimes not documented properly.

Also, I do feel that Dan could possibly know more, and he may be more of a witness now. He has stated that he's wanted to help investigators, and he may have been TOO forthcoming.

http://www.kare11.com/video/625387048001/0/Julie-Nelson-interviews-Dan-Rassier-Part-I

There are the discrepancies that have been posted on here multiple times of what he said he did that night.

Where could he bring children he groomed? He lives with his parents

 

[Jewelia]

There are the discrepancies that have been posted on here multiple times of what he said he did that night.

Where could he bring children he groomed? He lives with his parents

Dan could have taken a child anywhere, even where he lived, during other times when his parents vacationed. We are aware of another pedophile that took his victims into another state; to his parents home who had moved to another state to retire. They didn't seem to care that he was sleeping in the same room with his victim.

So basically, the more information I see on DR, the less likely he's a "groomer pedophile", or an abductor type of pedophile/child molester. He may be weird, and his own worst enemy at times, but again, I do not think he took Jacob. However, I respect your views, and I just hope that if Dan isn't the predator who took Jacob, he can at least help LE find out who did.

 

[human]

His super religious parents would agree?

They were farmers. We don't know if they ever went on vacation before.

And if they did, we don't know if he brought anyone there.

Where would he bring children?

Maybe there are places he can go out of the US.

Father Dan Gillespie was a family friend and he had a plane.

 

[shergal]

The R family has a lake cabin in Avon.

 

[Jewelia]

His super religious parents would agree?

They were farmers. We don't know if they ever went on vacation before.

And if they did, we don't know if he brought anyone there.

Where would he bring children?

Maybe there are places he can go out of the US.

Father Dan Gillespie was a family friend and he had a plane.

There's a lot of places, and the child molester from Ohio that was exposed had kids in his house, and molested them when his wife went out to run errands.

Where did all the child molesters from St. Johns Abby take their victims? If Dan was a child molester, he could take his victims to the Abby for all we know...especially if he was connected to anyone there. Basically, if he's a child molester, I'd think we'd know it by now. Even those who got away with it for decades, are eventually caught.

The abduction was sexually motivated, and I don't think DR is a child molester. BUT, one never knows for sure. I'm 90% sure it's not DR. It just doesn't fit. There's so many other deviants/child molesters that could be the perp. After watching the interviews with him, I'm even more inclined to think it's not him.

Here's a quote from RichKelly on another WS thread:

"1) St. John's University had long served as a repository for pedophile religious. They have a locked unit where--at anytime--between 10-40 pedophile religious. Mind you Jacob went missing in 1989, before the priest abuse scandal.
2) St. John preparatory school/seminary has some of the largest figures of sex abuse in the country.
3) Stearns county has a syndrome named after it, for the highest incidence of incest in a first world country.
4) One active pedophile, MF, was within a mile of the crime scene but was molesting or grooming another child. DAH has also used the alibi that he was molesting another child. This is the only case I am aware of where two of the main suspects ADMIT to sexually molesting other people as there alibi.
5) Diocesan parish priests in the area were also pedophiles.
6) halfway houses for pedophiles existed within a few miles."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-268386-p-4.html

 

[human]

The R family has a lake cabin in Avon.

Wow. I wonder if that has ever been searched?

 

[livstabler]

Of course there's been a lot of discussion on DR. I've been reading some older postings, and I still don't think he abducted Jacob.

One thing I wanted to touch on is the talk on his collection of newspaper articles, and related items on Jacob's case. There was discussion about "trophies". Killers will sometimes collect items related to cases as trophies. However, isn't it more likely it's an item from the victim; such as swatch of hair or clothing?

I don't think news articles can be completely ruled out, however. BUT, I'd probably want to know everything there is to know about a crime if it happened on my property, and I'd probably collect anything there was to do with this crime.

Just another perspective on why he may have saved news articles related to the case.
I do think he may know something related to the case.

If he did it, he doesn't need newspaper clippings, hair or clothing for trophies, he has the body and the place he put it.

 

[chaplain1]

If he did it, he doesn't need newspaper clippings, hair or clothing for trophies, he has the body and the place he put it.

DR has acted very nonchalant about the case (Some would even say uncaring). I find it significant given this history that he kept a box of mementos to have in his private space. We know "trophies"are kept by a lot serial killers, say Ed Gein; and for print, btk.

Having a shoebox full of mementos is probably the most damning piece of circumstantial evidence that has been released by the police.

 

[chaplain1]

There's a lot of places, and the child molester from Ohio that was exposed had kids in his house, and molested them when his wife went out to run errands.

Where did all the child molesters from St. Johns Abby take their victims? If Dan was a child molester, he could take his victims to the Abby for all we know...especially if he was connected to anyone there. Basically, if he's a child molester, I'd think we'd know it by now. Even those who got away with it for decades, are eventually caught.

The abduction was sexually motivated, and I don't think DR is a child molester. BUT, one never knows for sure. I'm 90% sure it's not DR. It just doesn't fit. There's so many other deviants/child molesters that could be the perp. After watching the interviews with him, I'm even more inclined to think it's not him.

Here's a quote from RichKelly on another WS thread:

"1) St. John's University had long served as a repository for pedophile religious. They have a locked unit where--at anytime--between 10-40 pedophile religious. Mind you Jacob went missing in 1989, before the priest abuse scandal.
2) St. John preparatory school/seminary has some of the largest figures of sex abuse in the country.
3) Stearns county has a syndrome named after it, for the highest incidence of incest in a first world country.
4) One active pedophile, MF, was within a mile of the crime scene but was molesting or grooming another child. DAH has also used the alibi that he was molesting another child. This is the only case I am aware of where two of the main suspects ADMIT to sexually molesting other people as there alibi.
5) Diocesan parish priests in the area were also pedophiles.
6) halfway houses for pedophiles existed within a few miles."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-268386-p-4.html

SJU pedophiles molested right there and had many victims right there unfortunately. The prep school is where the victims were. If you know the area, it would be real difficult (p rolly impossible) to do on foot from the campus.

The halfway house folk have all been investigated.

MF has been cleared, but I would put him top 4 still.

 

[livstabler]

Dan could have taken a child anywhere, even where he lived, during other times when his parents vacationed. We are aware of another pedophile that took his victims into another state; to his parents home who had moved to another state to retire. They didn't seem to care that he was sleeping in the same room with his victim.

So basically, the more information I see on DR, the less likely he's a "groomer pedophile", or an abductor type of pedophile/child molester. He may be weird, and his own worst enemy at times, but again, I do not think he took Jacob. However, I respect your views, and I just hope that if Dan isn't the predator who took Jacob, he can at least help LE find out who did.

From the link you posted:
Child Molesters: A Behavioral Analysis

Situational-Type Child Molesters
Inadequate This pattern of behavior is difficult to precisely define and includes those
suffering from psychoses, eccentric personality disorders, mental retardation, and
senility. In layperson’s terms he is the social misfit, the withdrawn, the unusual. He
might be the shy teenager who has no friends of his own age or eccentric loner who
still lives with his parents. Although most such individuals are harmless, some can be
child molesters and, in a few cases, even child killers. This offender seems to become
sexually involved with children out of insecurity or curiosity. He finds children to be
nonthreatening objects with whom he can explore his sexual interests. The child victim
could be someone he knows or a random stranger. In some cases the child victim
might be a stranger selected as a substitute for a specific adult, possibly a relative of
the child, whom the offender is afraid of approaching directly. Often his sexual activity
with children is the result of built-up impulses. Some of these individuals find it
difficult to express anger and hostility, which then builds until it explodes — possibly
against their child victim. Because of mental or emotional problems, some might take
out their frustration in cruel sexual torture. His victims, however, could be among the
elderly as well as children — anyone who appears helpless at first sight. He might
collect *advertiser censored*, but it will most likely be of adults. This offender usually lacks
the interpersonal skill to effectively groom or seduce his child victims.
Almost any child molester might be capable of violence or even murder to avoid
identification. In spite of a few notable exceptions, most of the sexually motivated
child murderers profiled and assessed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
have involved situational-type child molesters who display the morally indiscriminate
and inadequate patterns of behavior. Low social competence seems to be the
most significant risk factor in why a child molester might abduct his victims
(Lanning and Burgess, 1995).

I'm not trying to convince you that he did it, just saying he could easily fit into this category, and matches several of the other markers they mention as well. Just because no one has reported him for anything else, doesn't mean he was definitely a model teacher. Many victims never disclose to anyone, especially as boys. I'm not saying he's guilty of that either, just that his record doesn't necessarily prove he's incapable of such acts.