MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #2

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I took a pic of DR and I put it side by side with the Cold Spring suspect sketch (I added color to the sketch).



I definitely see a resemblance around the mouth & chin and the eyes are kind of creased the same way IMO.

Here's the original sketch.

Is that the Cold Spring suspect? I would think the boy who have recognized a music teacher, but maybe he disguised himself some way.
 
I am mixed up here, but I am going on more than 20 year old memories.

1. There was some attempted abduction by was it a guy in a white van-before? after? He had dark hair and glasses.

2. Am I reading right that he Cold Spring boy didn't say anything until 2004?

I remember that guy in the sketch had camo on. Is that right?
 
I am mixed up here, but I am going on more than 20 year old memories.

1. There was some attempted abduction by was it a guy in a white van-before? after? He had dark hair and glasses.

2. Am I reading right that he Cold Spring boy didn't say anything until 2004?

I remember that guy in the sketch had camo on. Is that right?


1. The vehicle used in the Cold Spring abduction was a dark blue four door similar to a chevrolet celebrity.

2. Jared came forward publicly in 2004, but went to the authorities the night of his abduction/assault in 1989.

& yes the perp was wearing military style camouflage.

More details here.http://www.startribune.com/templates/Print_This_Story?sid=11579041

Also, it's interesting to note that Jared was grabbed off the street near Rocori Middle School, where DR taught at the time.
 
1. The vehicle used in the Cold Spring abduction was a dark blue four door similar to a chevrolet celebrity.

2. Jared came forward publicly in 2004, but went to the authorities the night of his abduction/assault in 1989.

& yes the perp was wearing military style camouflage.

More details here.http://www.startribune.com/templates/Print_This_Story?sid=11579041

Also, it's interesting to note that Jared was grabbed off the street near Rocori Middle School, where DR taught at the time.

so he taught at Rocori and not at Cold Spring. It says that he saw the guy's face.

I am so confused, because I thought "Jared" said that the perp pulled Jared's hat down so that Jared couldn't see him.

It's coming back to me, but there was a sketch of the guy at the Tom thumb that is different than the one you posted. Do you have that one as well?
 
I've been reading comments on other blogs about people who had DR for a teacher and think that he likely didn't do it because he has worked around children for three decades and no child has ever come forward to say if any abuse occurred. I wonder if that's because there would be less opportunity to do anything to a child in a larger classroom setting.

Also,
If it wasn't DR then why on earth would the real perp take Jacob down his driveway?, it makes no sense.

Also, I'm curious if the DNA taken from the Cold Spring case has been compared to DR's DNA? And if it was and it matched, maybe that was the proof they needed to dig up his farm?

Is there a statute of limitations on that kind of crime? IDK.

Wouldn't they arrest DR right then and there if the DNA matched?

We are speculating at home. Maybe a deathbed confession from someone who knows?

If DR is the one, he may not want to foul his own nest. He just " enjoys " the children, but chooses not to do anything with students.
 
this has a map of the Lake Wobegon Trail. It doesn't appear to go to St. Joseph.

http://lakewobegontrail.com/Websites/lakewobegontrail/Images/LakeWobegontrailfinal07.pdf

But on another site, it says this:

Along the Trail: St. Joseph
Trailhead Park Address:
605 1st Ave. NE
St. Joseph, MN 56374

I'm not sure what the Wobegon Trail has to do with the abduction. This trail opened in 1998, nine years after Jacob was abducted. Today the trail goes to St. Joe's.

Re: DR
Assuming evidence is found on the farm, will this tie to DR after all these years? Could a good attorney prove to a jury that someone else could have taken Jacob to this farm and buried him? The farm is 158 acres and not continually monitored.
 
so he taught at Rocori and not at Cold Spring. It says that he saw the guy's face.

Rocori and Cold Spring are the same thing. Rocori stand for Rockville, Cold Spring, and Richmond...three small towns consolidated. The middle school and the high school are both located in Cold Spring.

Each community has their own elementary school, and after speaking to some teenagers that had DR for music class, he must have traveled around to all three elementary schools to teach.
 
I was just searching for sites that mention both Jacob and Josh (Guimond) and came across these. Second one seems rather bizarre.
http://www.immelman.us/news/josh-guimond-new-developments/

http://www.***********************/forum1/message798156/pg1

I also found this article that shows that 2 buildings on DR's property are missing now and burned down last year and were removed. They never mentioned that in the paper.
http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/?p=1591

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Thank you so very, very much for your posts.

I had to literally take a break away from the case, because everytime I think about what happened to Jacob, it makes me emotionally overwrought with sadness, to the point where I get depressed. I think this happens to all of us, here at WS, who invest our time in reading these things, especially if we have been crime victims ourselves.

Regarding the sexual abuse at the abbey, I did read some things at the www.behindthepinecurtain website a few years ago, when Josh disappeared. However, I did not know the details of each crime. If you go to the alphabetized lists and click on the ones where the page icons are, you will be able to read some details. While, it makes me emotionally and physically sick to read what happened to the victims, the truth of what happened to them needs to be made public. What a sordid past. I feel so sad for the victims. Reading it kind of reminds me of taking a visit through Dante's Inferno or a Hieronymus Bosch painting of what hell is like.

I suppose we will see if any of this is related to the disappearances.
 
I'm not sure what the Wobegon Trail has to do with the abduction. This trail opened in 1998, nine years after Jacob was abducted. Today the trail goes to St. Joe's.

Re: DR
Assuming evidence is found on the farm, will this tie to DR after all these years? Could a good attorney prove to a jury that someone else could have taken Jacob to this farm and buried him? The farm is 158 acres and not continually monitored.

1. I was interested in the trail re Josh Guimond which could fit. But thanks for the info re Jacob and the trail

2. Re the evidence-that's an unfortunately good point.
 
Rocori and Cold Spring are the same thing. Rocori stand for Rockville, Cold Spring, and Richmond...three small towns consolidated. The middle school and the high school are both located in Cold Spring.

Each community has their own elementary school, and after speaking to some teenagers that had DR for music class, he must have traveled around to all three elementary schools to teach.

I was just familiar with Rocori High school which you would know why.

That makes sense that he traveled.

Any indications of what people thought of him?
 
I read online somewhere that there is a running trail right near that farm that leads to the abbey. If someone local could check, that would be helpful.
 
I read online somewhere that there is a running trail right near that farm that leads to the abbey. If someone local could check, that would be helpful.

If you look at my map of the Wobegon Trail, it goes to the abbey. But, it doesn't show St. Joe.

But I looked up St. Joseph and the Wobegon trail and St. Joseph is the trail head.

I couldn't find a map for that unless I am not looking correctly at the Lake Wobegon trail map.
 
Sorry this is off topic from what is being discussed...but I read last night in an older newpaper article on Jacob - that a person came forward in 2003 to say they were the ones who turned around in the farm driveway, leaving the tire marks. Why would he wait all that time to come forward?? I kno whe was cleared and all....but ALL that time and this was such a huge case, it's not like he wouldn't have heard all about it....
 
Not really off topic, because it relates to human's question and my reply in post #59; in today's St. Cloud Times there is an article (reprinted from NY) on priests that abused and how they were protected. So it's obviously not just in MN, but nation wide. I don't really get the sympathy for "poor priests who have no means to support themselves." IMO, they should be treated in civil court like everyone else.
http://www.sctimes.com/article/2010...Dioceses-oust-abusers-they-pledged-to-monitor
 
Not really off topic, because it relates to human's question and my reply in post #59; in today's St. Cloud Times there is an article (reprinted from NY) on priests that abused and how they were protected. So it's obviously not just in MN, but nation wide. I don't really get the sympathy for "poor priests who have no means to support themselves." IMO, they should be treated in civil court like everyone else.
http://www.sctimes.com/article/2010...Dioceses-oust-abusers-they-pledged-to-monitor

It's all over the world. Mexico for sure. Other states all over the place.

I think they can get three squares a day in a facility provided by the states. They can make license plates.

This issue is going all the way to the top. There have been many articles about the world-wide thing lately.

I just didn't know what a place St. John's was even though I am from MN
 
Sorry this is off topic from what is being discussed...but I read last night in an older newpaper article on Jacob - that a person came forward in 2003 to say they were the ones who turned around in the farm driveway, leaving the tire marks. Why would he wait all that time to come forward?? I kno whe was cleared and all....but ALL that time and this was such a huge case, it's not like he wouldn't have heard all about it....

He told the police right away but they didn't take his name or number.

Why he waited until later, who knows, unless he didn't really want to get embroiled in it.

He might have believed LE knew what they were doing at the time, and as time went on , the last thing he wanted to be was a suspect.
 
Here are the other suspect drawings in Jacob's abduction (hope this works, I've never added an image before) if not, pics are at the links.:
From: http://www.immelman.us/news/missing-person-joshua-guimond/

and from: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wetterling_jacob.html

Trails near St. Joseph:
http://www.traillink.com/trail/lake-wobegon-trail.aspx

This site shows smaller hiking and biking trails near St. John's Abbey:
http://www.trails.com/trail-saint-johns-abbey-university-2068377.html

Map of trails:
http://www.trails.com/trailfinder/b...=MN&lat=45.56&lon=-94.31&z=12&m=terrain&a=ALL

From having driven back roads from St. Joe to St. John's, I can tell you that Country Road 51 (shown on map) is a direct back road into St. John's from St. Joe. The other main route is on Interstate 94.
 

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Here are the other suspect drawings in Jacob's abduction (hope this works, I've never added an image before) if not, pics are at the links.:
From: http://www.immelman.us/news/missing-person-joshua-guimond/

and from: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wetterling_jacob.html

Trails near St. Joseph:
http://www.traillink.com/trail/lake-wobegon-trail.aspx

This site shows smaller hiking and biking trails near St. John's Abbey:
http://www.trails.com/trail-saint-johns-abbey-university-2068377.html

Map of trails:
http://www.trails.com/trailfinder/b...=MN&lat=45.56&lon=-94.31&z=12&m=terrain&a=ALL

From having driven back roads from St. Joe to St. John's, I can tell you that Country Road 51 (shown on map) is a direct back road into St. John's from St. Joe. The other main route is on Interstate 94.

that sketch is of he guy who was at the Tom Thumb when the kids were there.

He has not been identified that I know of.

If he was a stranger, how would he know where the kids were going and that the driveway would be the ideal spot?
 
Sorry this is off topic from what is being discussed...but I read last night in an older newpaper article on Jacob - that a person came forward in 2003 to say they were the ones who turned around in the farm driveway, leaving the tire marks. Why would he wait all that time to come forward?? I kno whe was cleared and all....but ALL that time and this was such a huge case, it's not like he wouldn't have heard all about it....

Dejasade: Here is info and an interview with Kevin who was driving that car:
(From the Immelman site about Jacob)

This is a copy of a statement Jacob’s best friend Aaron gave police.

[Investigator:] “Was there any vehicles or anything around at this point that you observed?” [Aaron Larson:] “Uh uh. Not that we could see.”

How did the car come into play? Remember the witness turned possible suspect? It was his account that placed a car at the scene that night. He said it turned around and sped away about the time Jacob disappeared.

The FOX 9 Investigators also have learned there was a car nearby that night. We found the driver. He is not a suspect.

Kevin: “It’s sad. It chokes me up. But what can I do. What could I have done.”

He’s a man in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Kevin: “I never came forward. I figured I didn’t have to.”

Kevin was 21 at the time. He heard something on the scanner. Saw a police car speed by his house. Curious, he tried to follow the squad. He was there so fast there was no police crime scene tape around the bikes and scooter yet. He drove away and told a police officer what he’d seen.

Kevin: “He said, yeh we know all about that. I know about the bikes. And that was it. It was like I was bothering him. We backed out and left and that was it.”

Trish Van Pilsum: “He didn’t take your name or phone number.”

Kevin: “He didn’t take my name.”

Trish Van Pilsum: “He didn’t ask, did you see a man lurking around?”

Kevin: “Didn’t ask me a thing.”

Nor, it appears, did the officer pass along his conversation with Kevin to investigators. It strikes the new investigators now working on the case 14 years later as strange. It also strikes them as a huge problem. In fact, investigators didn’t know about Kevin at all until this October [2003]. This came about because he met a federal marshal at a party who urged Kevin to talk to the lead investigator of the Wetterling investigation.

Kevin: “He was really shocked. ‘Cause after I told him who I talked to, what I seen, he couldn’t believe he didn’t know about me. In reality, I could have been the kidnapper and they never would have found me.”

In fact, of the thousands and thousands of pages of leads, none places Kevin at the scene around the time of the kidnapping. A source close to the case said they wasted 14 years looking for him.

Trish Van Pilsum: “Kevin, do you think, ‘Boy if my information didn’t get passed along, what else was missed?’”

Kevin: “Yes. Who else knows something about the case they might not think was crucial.”

Kevin even heard the police were trying to track down the car using tire tracks.

Kevin: “I was scared. I got really scared.”

Kevin expected police to come to him. They never did.

Trish Van Pilsum: “So if they couldn’t find you, what were the odds that they could find the kidnapper.”

Kevin: “Exactly. I think about that all the time. It’s sad. A young kid like that you know, 14 years.”

Why didn’t he go to the police? He figured he’d gotten to the scene after everything was over. He doubted he had anything to add. And he didn’t want to get caught up in the widening net of the Wetterling search.

Kevin: “I knew they were looking for someone and I didn’t want to be put in the position of being a suspect.”

Now investigators believe the car is accounted for. The investigation narrows to a small area surrounding the abduction scene. And, specifically on one man. One of Jacob Wetterling’s neighbors.
 
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