MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #9

[Shay]

Well, the blood was either Jacob's or it wasn't. His line of answering is typical of how talking to him is.

If it was Jacob's blood it would have been fresh since it was recovered within a week of the abduction and easily determined that it was not his. Has LE confirmed or denied that this was Jacob's blood? If it wasn't they have done a diservice to DR for not publicly announcing that it wasn't Jacobs.

IIRC, the chest/trunk wasn't taken by LE until the search in 2010.

 

[FindTim]

Any amount of speculation that leads to DR being pointed at as the culprit needs to understand that he couldn't possibly have known that it would take police 2 hours to finally make contact with him (which he initiated).

Think about it for a second. Police were on the scene pretty quickly. In the limited amount of time he would have had to have securely placed Jacob somewhere where the police wouldn't be looking, and than, he would have to assume that they wouldn't be thorough in their initial investigation. It's a very far stretch as a perpetrator to assume police wouldn't be knocking on your door almost immediately after the abduction.

Also consider that DR would have had no clue how fast police would have arrived on the scene. They arrived 6 minutes after the 911 call was placed. And the smoking gun is that Jacob was placed into a vehicle, and not escorted back up to the Rassier property.

My opinion is that the car that sped around the Rassier property earlier in the day was the same car that took Jacob. I think the perp was out patrolling in the afternoon and spotted Jacob, Aaron and Trevor playing and cased out the area, or began stalking. The perp could have easily been positioned with his lights off parked somewhere, and possibly could have been watching the kids through the windows. The opportunity arose when they decided to go rent videos. This area was very rural in 1989, and one could have easily parked a car in many of the field roads without being spotted. Once the kids left he could maneuver the car over to DR's driveway and wait on the victims.

That is correct but I think it can be explained by looking at the following picture from Joy's site linked below. If you look along the tree line from approx where Jacob's prints ended you can see a path along the trees that leads to the Rassier home. It's a little shorter path than taking the driveway. In my opinion they walked off onto this path and they walked to the home or DR had some type of ATV type vehicle waiting in the grass at that spot and the tracks would've just blended in especially if they used the path all the time...which in the pic looks possible to me. I think he ended up getting extremely lucky by taking the path and also with the dry weather which can help explain the loss of scent especially if he was lifted onto an ATV of some sort.

http://www.joybaker.com/wp-content/2013/03/RassierFarmCloseup.jpg

 

[FindTim]

"Forensic tests on items taken from that search have yielded no evidence linking them to the crime, but investigators are still testing some items, or waiting for technology to advance so additional testing can be done."

http://www.startribune.com/local/164827236.html#ZbUss6BBaBkPI5U1.97

Or, attempting to frame DR as they have been made fools by how inept their investigative work was/is. Sanner needs to readdress if the "additional testing" has been done.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Does anyone know how far (in an actual measurement) the path was that the boys took from the end of the driveway back to the Wetterling residence?

My guess is a quarter mile or a hair over that. Not very far.

 

[Wisdom]

Any amount of speculation that leads to DR being pointed at as the culprit needs to understand that he couldn't possibly have known that it would take police 2 hours to finally make contact with him (which he initiated).

Think about it for a second. Police were on the scene pretty quickly. In the limited amount of time he would have had to have securely placed Jacob somewhere where the police wouldn't be looking, and than, he would have to assume that they wouldn't be thorough in their initial investigation. It's a very far stretch as a perpetrator to assume police wouldn't be knocking on your door almost immediately after the abduction.

Also consider that DR would have had no clue how fast police would have arrived on the scene. They arrived 6 minutes after the 911 call was placed. And the smoking gun is that Jacob was placed into a vehicle, and not escorted back up to the Rassier property.

My opinion is that the car that sped around the Rassier property earlier in the day was the same car that took Jacob. I think the perp was out patrolling in the afternoon and spotted Jacob, Aaron and Trevor playing and cased out the area, or began stalking. The perp could have easily been positioned with his lights off parked somewhere, and possibly could have been watching the kids through the windows. The opportunity arose when they decided to go rent videos. This area was very rural in 1989, and one could have easily parked a car in many of the field roads without being spotted. Once the kids left he could maneuver the car over to DR's driveway and wait on the victims.

I understand where you are coming from but the vehicles DR supposedly witnessed that day on his driveway must have been hovering above the ground since no tracks were made to support the rediculous claims. I've always wanted a vehicle like that :floorlaugh:

 

[KeepHopeAlive]

My guess is a quarter mile or a hair over that. Not very far.

Thanks. The reason I ask is because I'm wondering how close to the Wetterling residence the boys would have been before a car would be exiting the Rassier driveway. If distance between the end of the driveway to Jacob's last footprint and the distance between the end of the driveway to the Wetterling residence are close to equal, it's possible the boys could have been close to the Wetterling residence (they were running) by the time Jacob and his abductor reached a vehicle (walking?, walking briskly?, running?) and exited the driveway. Therefore, the boys would likely not have heard a vehicle, given the stress they were under.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Thanks. The reason I ask is because I'm wondering how close to the Wetterling residence the boys would have been before a car would be exiting the Rassier driveway. If distance between the end of the driveway to Jacob's last footprint and the distance between the end of the driveway to the Wetterling residence are close to equal, it's possible the boys could have been close to the Wetterling residence (they were running) by the time Jacob and his abductor reached a vehicle (walking?, walking briskly?, running?) and exited the driveway. Therefore, the boys would likely not have heard a vehicle, given the stress they were under.

No, that's not possible. You can't see the farm from the wetterlings house, the boys would have clearly stated that. My guess is that they looked back as they left the edge of the woods and crossed the field.

 

[ELOCsoul]

Any amount of speculation that leads to DR being pointed at as the culprit needs to understand that he couldn't possibly have known that it would take police 2 hours to finally make contact with him (which he initiated).

Think about it for a second. Police were on the scene pretty quickly. In the limited amount of time he would have had to have securely placed Jacob somewhere where the police wouldn't be looking, and than, he would have to assume that they wouldn't be thorough in their initial investigation. It's a very far stretch as a perpetrator to assume police wouldn't be knocking on your door almost immediately after the abduction.

Also consider that DR would have had no clue how fast police would have arrived on the scene. They arrived 6 minutes after the 911 call was placed. And the smoking gun is that Jacob was placed into a vehicle, and not escorted back up to the Rassier property.

My opinion is that the car that sped around the Rassier property earlier in the day was the same car that took Jacob. I think the perp was out patrolling in the afternoon and spotted Jacob, Aaron and Trevor playing and cased out the area, or began stalking. The perp could have easily been positioned with his lights off parked somewhere, and possibly could have been watching the kids through the windows. The opportunity arose when they decided to go rent videos. This area was very rural in 1989, and one could have easily parked a car in many of the field roads without being spotted. Once the kids left he could maneuver the car over to DR's driveway and wait on the victims.

The only thing is, Aaron didn't come over until early evening, after the afternoon car. When the afternoon car came Jacob and Trevor were with their dad, either watching the Vikings game against the Lions, or skating at St Cloud.

The other thing is....Why was there never a public plea for information about the afternoon car?? There were please for information about cars on other streets, but no please for cars seen at the abduction scene......

 

[Sasquatch321]

The only thing is, Aaron didn't come over until early evening, after the afternoon car. When the afternoon car came Jacob and Trevor were with their dad, either watching the Vikings game against the Lions, or skating at St Cloud.

The other thing is....Why was there never a public plea for information about the afternoon car?? There were please for information about cars on other streets, but no please for cars seen at the abduction scene......

Because the afternoon car is just an artifact of DR's changing stories.

 

[human]

There's also no evidence to show that Jacob ever went any further up the driveway than where his prints and scent ended.

Please read on WS about Mike Herdman who is missing right now in CA. His footprints end in the wilderness and even Homeland Security has not been able to track where he went

 

[KeepHopeAlive]

No, that's not possible. You can't see the farm from the wetterlings house, the boys would have clearly stated that. My guess is that they looked back as they left the edge of the woods and crossed the field.

I'm not talking about what can or can't be seen. I'm talking about what the boys could hear. How far would the boys have gotten (taking the path they did on the way back to the Wetterling's) before a vehicle would have exited the Rassier driveway?

 

[FindTim]

Where's the proof that LE went all the way up the driveway in searching for tire tracks? There is none. It wasn't until 6 days after the abduction that they searched the farm. But than again, if he had a hovering vehicle we wouldn't have to worry about contamination. :banghead:

I understand where you are coming from but the vehicles DR supposedly witnessed that day on his driveway must have been hovering above the ground since no tracks were made to support the rediculous claims. I've always wanted a vehicle like that :floorlaugh:

 

[FindTim]

Really? Because he's on record immediately after the abduction talking about both cars. Show me where he has changed his story on both cars. :facepalm:

Because the afternoon car is just an artifact of DR's changing stories.

 

[Jbrown324320]

Keep hope alive, that is a good question. I have read that the boys stopped running and turned back then didn't see anything. How long were they running before they turned around? Was that enough time for the getaway car (if there was one) to grab Jacob, toss him in the car, speed away and go up the street? Were they looking for a car speeding away? I think they were looking for anything to see if they could see a getaway vehicle. Maybe the police estimated that the time they turned around was too short for any vehicle to drive away and not be seen by the boys.

 

[Sasquatch321]

I'm not talking about what can or can't be seen. I'm talking about what the boys could hear. How far would the boys have gotten (taking the path they did on the way back to the Wetterling's) before a vehicle would have exited the Rassier driveway?

Its in my best guess that the boys would have looked back as that vehicle is just starting and leaving. From the field which should still give clear view and sound like on a lake.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Really? Because he's on record immediately after the abduction talking about both cars. Show me where he has changed his story on both cars. :facepalm:

Exactly that was his very beginning story. Until in 2003 when all the tire tracks were revealed. Time to change stories.

 

[Jbrown324320]

"As Trevor and Aaron were running away, they glanced back to see the gunman grab Jacob’s arm. When Aaron and Trevor reached the wooded area they turned around again and the gunman and Jacob were gone."
http://missingchild.wordpress.com/tag/jacob-wetterling/

all the articles I have read just say they turned around "after a short distance", no exact time frame. The highway is pretty close, someone should estimate how long it takes from DRs driveway to get to the highway.

 

[Sasquatch321]

"As Trevor and Aaron were running away, they glanced back to see the gunman grab Jacob’s arm. When Aaron and Trevor reached the wooded area they turned around again and the gunman and Jacob were gone."
http://missingchild.wordpress.com/tag/jacob-wetterling/

There should have been a vehicle seen or at least heard in that situation.

 

[FindTim]

It took them 6 days to search his property and up by his house. Tell me more about how tracks wouldn't erode during this duration.....

Exactly that was his very beginning story. Until in 2003 when all the tire tracks were revealed. Time to change stories.

 

[ELOCsoul]

Really? Because he's on record immediately after the abduction talking about both cars. Show me where he has changed his story on both cars. :facepalm:

Where from 1989 is he on record talking about two cars? To my knowledge the second car didn't come into the picture, at least publicly, until after 2010.