GUILTY MO - Breeann Rodriguez, 3, Senath, 6 August 2011 - #5

[Dr. Know?]

I believe he's telling the truth. I didn't think so when they weren't finding her body. I figured he lied about that, which made me wonder about the ladder. But since they have found her, I don't doubt that is exactly where he encountered her. I think when her brother went in she was looking for another playmate, and had played there before.

One thing that is bothering me is what happened to #3 on that affidavit though. I understand in the wake of Casey Anthony LE everywhere wants to keep things to themselves to minimize jeopardizing a case. But there is something missing there that he possibly admitted to. And I'm hoping that whatever it is will be told after her autopsy. Maybe they don't want to release the rest until they confirm it.

ETA: And I DO think it is possible that SM knew the parents, or had met. At least SM and ER anyway.

Thanks for bringing that up about the #3 on the affidavit being missing. It's bothered me all day! He may have told what happened, the truth even.

 

[~n/t~]

I think we can rule out accidental drowning. This was murder according to LE. I don't care if he murdered her because he didn't like the ponytails in her hair or the tshirt she was wearing or her nationality. He murdered a 3 year old little girl and I refuse to make excuses for him.

He's a coward, a murderer, a monster and so many other words I'd like to type but can't. He had no right to take the life of a sweet innocent child. He has destroyed so many lives and he deserves the maximum sentence for his actions. Let's hope Breeann gets justice.

 

[~n/t~]

Please help me understand the thinking behind some of the posts on this thread. Morgan reportedly gave really specific details as to what happened. The details were specific enough to lead to the discovery of his victim's remains. What I don't understand is why some of us keep coming up with alternative ways Breeann may have died. It seems like the way reported was heinous enough. Is there a functional reason to consider other possibilities or is this just morbid speculation?

I don't get it either. Some want to believe it was an accident when we know LE ruled it was murder. Drowning, run over.....?? Huh? BTK had a family. Wife and kids......he is still a cold blooded murderer.

 

[JeannaT]

This has bothered me: if he went as far as saying that she was on the pool ladder then why not say that she fell in and drowned, and that he disposed of her because he didn't want to be sued for not having a fence around the pool? Just trying to understand why someone would admit to killing her, when their story already has her inches from the pool.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that he should have lied and made up the part about drowning. It's just that his story doesn't add up. And IMHO the other one would be more believable....

That's EXACTLY how I feel. If he lied about how he snatched her, snatching her off her bicycle in the street is no better or worse than snatching her off a ladder to a pool. It's the same exact act. I can't see any purpose at all in switching those two stories.

 

[SilkySifaka]

At this point, I am going with the fact that SM told what happened. So far there is nothing to say it didn't happen the way it did.

Now, should a piece of evidence come forth that turns the story in another direction, then we will know the story may be partially factual.

Also, the results of the autopsy will help to know, if Breeann had fluid in her lungs, confirm suffocation, brusing and if she was molested.

I don't feel she was molested, or perhaps I just don't want her to have been molested as what happened to her was tragic enough without her being violated.

I wrote this morning how frustrated I was with the thought that I had when I woke up. What if SM was not home and what IF Breeann had actually gone into the pool and drowned. I am just so frustrated .....

About the only thing we may never know is why.

Oh Patty :blowkiss:, seemingly he has told the truth so far I agree. We are all waiting to "a" reason & better yet, the autopsy's results. I don't & I'll make the leap you don't lol trust anything these b$stards say til proven.

We want/need a reason...something to explain how a father of three, suddenly murders a 3 yr. old. I am not a big Dr. Phil fan (rarely watch the show), but he has some kind of phrase (maybe somebody can help me here), but everyone does something for a reason/payback for themselves in some way. There must be some kind of reason/excuse, that he murdered Breeann & I hope we will learn that reason, no matter what it is. IDK as a society, I feel we need to know in efforts to try & prevent this in the future. Hopefully the autopsy and friends, etc. share light.

It all makes sense if you look at it as a pedophile..he may have only fantasized before but gave in and took her..only problem is he was left with no choice but to murder her because she lived so close and could point him out.

I believe the average nuumber of children molested before a creep is caught is 100. so i have no trouble believing he has done it before (perhaps not the murder part) either.

jmo

 

[katydid23]

That's just it, though. How would we even begin to figure out a motive when we know so little? Right now, it could be all of the above. Or none of the above. Or any combination. I wouldn't know which to even pick at this point.

If we look at all of the non-family abductions of 3 yr old girls that we have data on, almost every single one that I can think of involve sexual abuse as a motive. The only other motives are of an ex trying to get revenge on the parent.

I bet I can find a dozen toddler murders that involve a sexual motive, and I probably cannot find even one that is racially motivated.

 

[liz b.]

I think there is some of the truth in what we know of his statement.She may have been in his backyard. He did suffocate her to death...MOO But, I do believe that he sexually abused this child,and that this was his primary motivation in murdering her.

It is difficult to believe that he has lived all these years with this level of rage in him, and not killed before MOO... I cannot imagine his reactions to the day to day frustrations that we all face... Waiting in line at the post office, for example. And what would happen if someone had cut him off in traffic ???

It is not really believable that he smothered this child in cold blood because she was stnding in his yard. MOO She is way too young to have mouthed off at him, and thus have stoked his rage...MOO

Doesn't add up...MOO

ETA : Also, this is a very small community ; if he was this angry, it would have showed up.Parents would likely have told their kids : stay away from Mr.M...he's got a real short fuse/he's kinda crazy...something like that. But,that wasn't the prevailing opiniuon of him at all. His kids had the other kids over to play.The kids all played together ? I'm not buying this particular Brooklyn Bridge today...MOO

 

[mysterygirl]

I don't know if he is telling ALL of the truth.

How often do killers confess and try to diminish their role even when admitting to the crime!

Happens all the time.

I think he has had his eye on this particular little girl.

 

[mrye4709]

Watching the video, I thought of a few things:

She was beautiful, to some sick men, she probably came across as a young woman, you know what I mean? In HIS sick head!

She was daddy's little girl and his only daughter, this is going to kill him!

The Hispanic prisoners are going to have a riot with him! My first husband was Hispanic, the families are very very close knit, and even strangers stand up for their brothers. The Hispanics in prison, are NOT going to like what he did, and NOT going to like HIM!

MOO

I was thinking the same thing this morning. The Hispanic or Mexican population around here are VERY family oriented and take up for their own. I personally do not know of any that have harmed a child, their own or otherwise. They cherish their children. I hope he is put in the general population, he won't last long. MOO

 

[don_m]

I talked for a few minutes today with a man I have known for 15 years about Shawn Morgan.
He worked with SM for about a year,,,,He took breaks/lunch with him,loaned him tools,and what not.
This man also lives in the town next to senath,,about 10 miles away.
Anyway this man was stunned /totally surprised,,,baffled that SM had done this.
This was a VERY short conversation,,,we did not have time to discuss details of the case.
I knew he had worked with SM,,,and wanted to get his take.
Again,,,, very short 2 or3 min conversation.

This is just my observation about the racial thing.
Most people in this area of the bootheel call any Hispanic person ,,,Mexican.
They do not mean anything by that,,, they are country people and that is just how they speak.
I could be wrong but that is just my observation from being here almost 60 years.

 

[flipflop]

I talked for a few minutes today with a man I have known for 15 years about Shawn Morgan.
He worked with SM for about a year,,,,He took breaks/lunch with him,loaned him tools,and what not.
This man also lives in the town next to senath,,about 10 miles away.
Anyway this man was stunned /totally surprised,,,baffled that SM had done this.

This is just my observation about the racial thing.
Most people in this area of the bootheel call any Hispanic person ,,,Mexican.
They do not mean anything by that,,, they are country people and that is just how they speak.
I could be wrong but that is just my observation from being here almost 60 years.

Was he at work or did he call in sick this past week prior to his arrest

 

[sarx]

I talked for a few minutes today with a man I have known for 15 years about Shawn Morgan.
He worked with SM for about a year,,,,He took breaks/lunch with him,loaned him tools,and what not.
This man also lives in the town next to senath,,about 10 miles away.
Anyway this man was stunned /totally surprised,,,baffled that SM had done this.

This is just my observation about the racial thing.
Most people in this area of the bootheel call any Hispanic person ,,,Mexican.
They do not mean anything by that,,, they are country people and that is just how they speak.
I could be wrong but that is just my observation from being here almost 60 years.

Thank you for the insight Don. Do you think you could alert on your own post and get verified by the mods as a local? Your local info and knowledge is great and will be in the future as this case unfolds I'm sure!

 

[mrye4709]

I talked for a few minutes today with a man I have known for 15 years about Shawn Morgan.
He worked with SM for about a year,,,,He took breaks/lunch with him,loaned him tools,and what not.
This man also lives in the town next to senath,,about 10 miles away.
Anyway this man was stunned /totally surprised,,,baffled that SM had done this.

This is just my observation about the racial thing.
Most people in this area of the bootheel call any Hispanic person ,,,Mexican.
They do not mean anything by that,,, they are country people and that is just how they speak.
I could be wrong but that is just my observation from being here almost 60 years.

I think it does just depend on the area, kind of like sofa/couch, soda/pop, etc. I know it wouldn't change anything, but I sort of hope he has some brain tumor or something that would explain why a regular person could snap and do something like this. It has happened before. It wouldn't bring BR back, but at least there would be a reason that this happened. She was just so precious, this should not have happened, it should never happen. :banghead:

 

[don_m]

Thank you for the insight Don. Do you think you could alert on your own post and get verified by the mods as a local? Your local info and knowledge is great and will be in the future as this case unfolds I'm sure!

I'm new here I don't know what you mean

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Don, thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Info about brain rumors and violence.

 

[sarx]

I'm new here I don't know what you mean

I just did it for you, so hopefully they will get back to you!

 

[Lera213]

It doesn't matter how he snatched her or killed her, but it matters to the prison population.

 

[don_m]

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...ll=36.125046,-90.165455&spn=0.003211,0.006947
On this map what are the references to sodomy about??

 

[matou]

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...ll=36.125046,-90.165455&spn=0.003211,0.006947
On this map what are the references to sodomy about??

Hollye and a few others were looking up sex offenders in the area and there is a database with some detailed info such as addresses for home and workplace. It isn't relevant now so I can ask Hollye to remove those from her map. It's a sleuthing thing.

 

[hollyblue]

at this point i don't have any reason to doubt it. it would be much easier for him to grab her without being seen in his own yard than off the sidewalk.

i haven't seen the photos yet. how far away from her house did the perp live and is it on the same side of the street?

They resided on the same side and five houses apart. There is no sidewalk annalyzer, just the street and no curbs. I can envision her peddling up the street and into his driveway, especially if all the children had played in the specific area of his house---swimming. If you view the pics of his house posted upthread, you can see a door in the garage leading directly to the pool and backyard. Since his driveway and garage are larger than most on the street and possible gathering place for the kids, I could see her venturing inside his garage----but not her going up the pool ladder. She could have gotten off her bike to see if any kids were in the backyard and there was SM.

In another video from yesterday, the aunt said they had seen him around, (paraphrasing) so it doesn't sound like the parents knew him that well. This is just my speculation, but I see him as father who isn't too involved with his children and leaves that to the mother. If she did wave to him, I can't see him reciprocating with a smile on his face---just maybe lifting his hand. He went to work everyday, came home, mowed yard, had dinner, watched tv and went to bed. I had friends, when a child, whose father was just like that. Nine children.. and dinner time was solemn; yet he wasn't a perv, murderer or never seemed like an angry person. He prolly said a dozen words to me in the 4-5 years I played with his kids and had sleepovers.

The one neighbor also described the Rodriguez family as reserved...so again I don't see them interacting with the neighbors. Curious if they took walks up the street with the children in the evenings---stroller or kids riding their bike or if the children were the only ones the neighbors saw of the family on a frequent basis.

JMO and curious of the dynamics of the neighborhood and the two families.