MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #12

[bettybaby00]

Aug. 20 Nancy Grace asks Daryl Parks about the car altercation:

DARYL PARKS, BROWN FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, first of all, Nancy, without question, we know that there was a major altercation at the car. There`s no question about that. So you`ll never hear me say there wasn`t a major altercation within the car. There was even a gunshot...

GRACE: Well, with the car...

PARKS: Within the car.

GRACE: ... or at the car?

PARKS: At the car.

GRACE: So you say it happened in the car?

PARKS: The officer was still partially in the car, is what we`ve been told
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That matches what Josie relayed from Ofc. Wilson - that he was "pushed back into the car". I visualize ODW sprawled back and MB punching downward.

And by "it's what we've been told" translates to based on the official statements made by Dorian Johnson.

And FWIW, for me, "partially in the car" is another damning admission.

 

[Lovejac]

Thanks! But the Baden was just preliminary as well. (see link) I think he said he would eventually get X rays and gun residue reports before doing a final report. I read mixed reports about the why no gun powder resude at all- some say Brown was already swabbed and or washed, so he would naturally not get the same findings as the first sutopsy, which makes sense. I do think it's weird they did not show him xrays though, because it hinders his ability to do his job.
I could not find much on the Case autopsy either. :shrug:




http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

My post was about DJ lying when he said he saw MB shot in his back. MB was not shot in the back.

 

[bettybaby00]

DJ said:
The officer drove away but stopped and backed up, almost hitting the pair, Johnson said. He said he wasn't sure what prompted the officer to return.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-5-things/index.html.

*snort

 

[Phoebeb]

Good post, thanks for the timeline.
A couple of things I wanted to ask...

Would OW have heard the BOLO if he wasn't quite in his vehicle at 11:57? Does that broadcast through a speaker he wears, or only from car?
How did the second police officer get there so quickly? This may have been discussed, but I can't remember. I noticed on one of the witness videos he arrived from the direction of Florissant- was he responding to something OW said over radio?

Also, the way OW's car ended up on the street with the tail end in the wrong lane, it looks like he might have backed up, imo.

I will have to hear it for myself. I think DJ made up that OW stopped because they were walking in the street because he wasn't going to say he stopped because my friend was wearing a red hat and yellow socks and carrying stolen cigarillos.
I know LE said OW didn't know, but the bolo had gone out - je had to have heard it.
It happened too fast.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/timeline-fatal-police-shooting-michael-brown-25003171

11:57 a.m. — A police dispatcher broadcasts a detailed description of the robbery suspect, saying that he was wearing a red St. Louis Cardinals ball cap and yellow socks and was walking with another man toward another convenience store called QuikTrip.
12:00 p.m. — Officer Wilson leaves the scene of the call about a sick child.
12:01 p.m. — Officer Wilson encounters Michael Brown walking on a street and the shooting follows. Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said Friday that Wilson did not know about the robbery at the convenience store when he encountered Brown.
Shots were fired at 12:02:14


Because Glide is the only messaging application using streaming video technology, each message is simultaneously recorded and transmitted, so the exact time can be verified to the second.*In this case, the video in question was created at 12:02:14 PM CDT on Saturday, August 9th.

MB was deceased in 74 seconds.
OW knew who they were and what was up.
MB went for the punched OW and ran.
Imo - no time for anything else to happen period. No driving off backing up...having chit chat..
Not buying "Josie's" story either.




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[Truthy]

QUESTION FOR MODERATORS: This is a victim friendly forum, correct? When can we finally declare OW as a victim in this situation? By MB's lawyers admission, there was an assault in the car. He's had to go into hiding due to death threats. The initial evidence that is leaking out is clearly pointing in the direction that we have a police officer with an impeccable record that was simply doing his job, who has been the victim of assault, smear campaigns, death threats and enormous public pressure. I cannot imagine what this poor man is going through and to me, he is the true victim in this case. I have little doubt that a no-bill will be given by the GJ and at the very minimum, even if charged, he will be completely 100% exonerated.

Like it or not, he is being investigated for a possible crime. It would seem crazy to treat him as an offical victim until he is cleared, like any other suspect is treated here. Brown is dead and is being sleuthed and treated as a criminal here, and none of us KNOW what happened yet.

 

[Lovejac]

I believe Officer Darren Wilson behaved PERFECTLY, as I have not seen one shred of proof that he did not. Perfectly clean record. Zero complaints. Commendation. Was assaulted by a 300 lb 6'4" man that just strongarmed a convenience store not more than 15 minutes prior. <modsnip> and others have it backwards. And you use DJ's statement for your reasoning? That is might be half-true? Sorry...but half-truths, in the legal system (and in life) are simply called LIES. When someone is a LIAR you cannot believe ANYTHING they say.

Officer Wilson owes you, me, the family, the community, NOTHING. He is innocent until proven guilty, particularly when he hasn't even been charged with any crime yet. This man was simply doing his job, like we expect him to do. And until I see proof otherwise, Officer Wilson is the VICTIM here - not the strong armed bully walking down the middle of the road police officer assaulting 6 ft 4in 300 lb MAN who was high as a kite. And certainly not Mr. "I am not just a witness I am a victim Eddie Haskel warrant out for his arrest lying to authorities accessory to a felon LIAR that he is.

Links to everything I have stated have been posted ad nauseum throughout these treads, so please don't ask for one, because at the end of the day, OW is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law and until then he has my 100% support.

BBM :giggle: thanks for the much needed laugh

 

[Linda7NJ]

Before.

And why would he do that?

Are police officers were expected to call for backup to intercept every possible suspect to a crime ???

If that's the case, why don't they have partners???


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[Linda7NJ]

I really thought his head was going to explode at the end there.

I loved all the ridiculous "connections"

Happened on the 9th at noon...highway 70 is 2000+ miles long...the same as___________

I was ROLLING!
What was really sad, the complete fools that lapped it up and applauded!!!


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[Truthy]

My post was about DJ lying when he said he saw MB shot in his back. MB was not shot in the back.

I understand what you believe, was just seeking clarity on whether any final autospy reports were out- and not a single one is.
Since there are no final reports, and not residue, blood or new witnesses- I reserve judgement on whther he was shot at (not hit) from behind at this time.
The fact that four different people heard shots while he was running away, then a pause and more shots, lines up too closely with the new recording for me to believe that he waited until Brown turned around to open fire. If the recording is real, it would have to be compared to witness statements to figure out when the bullets started flying.

 

[DeDee]

Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson
OK, I've got more #MichaelBrown stuff. I'll report that for tomorrow. Now I've got to do some paying work to pay for juvie records lawsuit!

4m ago

 

[LambChop]

IMHO, I think a lot of people feel this is dubious because it was not in the first press conference. It seems that OW did not speak to anyone about the robbery thing even though he somehow communicated other important details to them. That, and the lack of any written report is what is so concerning to the community, IMHO.

Do you have a link to the "it seems" part of your post? Or is this speculation instead of stating it as fact.

 

[Truthy]

If that's the case, why don't they have partners???


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$$$$$$$

 

[gngr~snap]

Good post, thanks for the timeline.
A couple of things I wanted to ask...

Would OW have heard the BOLO if he wasn't quite in his vehicle at 11:57? Does that broadcast through a speaker he wears, or only from car?
How did the second police officer get there so quickly? This may have been discussed, but I can't remember. I noticed on one of the witness videos he arrived from the direction of Florissant- was he responding to something OW said over radio?

Also, the way OW's car ended up on the street with the tail end in the wrong lane, it looks like he might have backed up, imo.

Ya know maybe! If he was planning on arrests, placing the car in such a way that would make it hard to run would be a strategic idea.
Ok.
I concede. He backed up.

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[TheDuchess]

With respect, WS is not a court of law. There are lots of discussions here about Casey Anthony's guilt (not guilty, per the legal system), and before Scott Peterson, Jodi Arias and many others even went to trial, they were discussed here and it was not required that members refrain from stating their opinions about their guilt. Golly, just go to the Jon Benet forum. The Ramseys were never charged with anything and yet members are free to speculate on their guilt.

It's all good. We are just hashing things over, here. We don't all see eye-to-eye but that's okay!

ETA: i misread your post! i thought you meant we shouldn't be questioning OW here at WS. My bad! Long day and tired eyes!

Yep - quite aware of how websleuths and the real world work just fine. Never said I didn't. Just saying that just because people WANT charges filed and WANT a conviction doesn't mean they are going to get it.

That said, it is generally a good rule of thumb to begin any discussion in cases like this with the presumption of innocence and work your way toward guilt. It seems like there are a LOT of people that have rushed to judgment in this case (I was one of them!) and some refuse to walk it back. But seriously....in any of the cases we discuss on here...don't you agree that it is in fact a good rule of thumb to begin with innocence and some level of suspicion and expect those who are accusing someone of something to give some proof?

I mean...I can tell you all right now that Anderson Cooper just came over and broke into my house and stole my lunchbox. I would expect all of you intelligent people to ask me for proof, whether in a court of law or not. I don't think anyone would expect Anderson Cooper to have to provide anyone with proof that he didn't. No. I would expect a level of suspicion and would be expected to offer some kind of proof in order for you to even consider such a thing.

That hasn't been the case here. People started calling OW a racist cold blooded killer from the very start of this whole mess. My point is that prior to this incident, we have a cop with a perfect record. So I would expect people to logically think that claims of gunning an unarmed man down who has his hands in the air surrendering might seem a little suspicious and would want some proof. We've so far got a few eyewitnesses who have made their rounds of the news programs, lawyers in tow and seemingly millions of people talking about some intangible outrage over police brutality and racial strife.

But there has been NOTHING else to show that OW is anything more than an excellent police officer who was just doing his job on August 9, 2014 and had the very unfortunate circumstance of being assaulted by DB.

 

[Muffet]

IMHO, I think a lot of people feel this is dubious because it was not in the first press conference. It seems that OW did not speak to anyone about the robbery thing even though he somehow communicated other important details to them. That, and the lack of any written report is what is so concerning to the community, IMHO.

It wasn't in any press conference until Friday, when the chief put out the info and video on the robbery and the name of the officer.

I can't see anything dubious about that at all. It was the proper way to do it. But I'm looking at it just as common sense, putting it all together logically, without any emotional baggage or predisposition to find sins in police. I have known a few bad cops, read about others, and I'm not a lemming. I just don't let that bias my view, because bias is blinding.

I have no reason to believe this chief is a dubious moron, who is attempting to cover things up when even the feds are involved. If there ever is evidence, I'm sure the family attorneys and others will let us know, and we'll see it all in court or the data dump.

My beliefs and opinions are completely open to change with such evidence.

 

[gngr~snap]

Yep - quite aware of how websleuths and the real world work just fine. Never said I didn't. Just saying that just because people WANT charges filed and WANT a conviction doesn't mean they are going to get it.

That said, it is generally a good rule of thumb to begin any discussion in cases like this with the presumption of innocence and work your way toward guilt. It seems like there are a LOT of people that have rushed to judgment in this case (I was one of them!) and some refuse to walk it back. But seriously....in any of the cases we discuss on here...don't you agree that it is in fact a good rule of thumb to begin with innocence and some level of suspicion and expect those who are accusing someone of something to give some proof?

I mean...I can tell you all right now that Anderson Cooper just came over and broke into my house and stole my lunchbox. I would expect all of you intelligent people to ask me for proof, whether in a court of law or not. I don't think anyone would expect Anderson Cooper to have to provide anyone with proof that he didn't. No. I would expect a level of suspicion and would be expected to offer some kind of proof in order for you to even consider such a thing.

That hasn't been the case here. People started calling OW a racist cold blooded killer from the very start of this whole mess. My point is that prior to this incident, we have a cop with a perfect record. So I would expect people to logically think that claims of gunning an unarmed man down who has his hands in the air surrendering might seem a little suspicious and would want some proof. We've so far got a few eyewitnesses who have made their rounds of the news programs, lawyers in tow and seemingly millions of people talking about some intangible outrage over police brutality and racial strife.

But there has been NOTHING else to show that OW is anything more than an excellent police officer who was just doing his job on August 9, 2014 and had the very unfortunate circumstance of being assaulted by DB.

Anderson Cooper stole your lunch box? Did you call Gloria Vanderbilt and tell her what he did?
Lol-funny.
I always say past behavior is a pretty good predictor of future behavior...
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[cady]

JMO Quite simply, the victim of a killing is a dead person. This does not mean that the killing was not justified. It only means that somebody died as the result of an action taken by another person. In this case (which as yet has not been determined to be a criminal case) the person whose action caused the death of the deceased is not the victim of the killing. That's all. Possible criminality will be determined by a jury, unless the Grand Jury issues a "no true bill of indictment" Just my opinion

 

[TheDuchess]

Warning : May cause head to explode.

http://youtu.be/7K5nVCjOj9I

From Browns funeral, comparing Mike Brown to Jesus Christ.


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Al Sharpton appears to be trying to figure out the math in the background and even looks around a couple of times as if "What the???? is he talking about???"

 

[William N]

JMO EEK! Guess we had better be wary of our 300 lb friends and relatives! JMO

Not a joking matter IMO. How many of your 300 pound friends and relatives assaulted a store clerk while stealing merchandise?

 

[TheDuchess]

Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson
OK, I've got more #MichaelBrown stuff. I'll report that for tomorrow. Now I've got to do some paying work to pay for juvie records lawsuit!

4m ago

DUDE!!! (Charles C. Johnson) You can't do THAT!!!! :gaah: