Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #4

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I think getting to the root of the "she was adamant to go to the QT" statement may answer some questions.
Finding the source of that statement will help to see if it is reliable or questionable.
50/50 the source of that statement is reliable or the source is lying and directing the investigation away from themselves.
 
I think getting to the root of the "she was adamant to go to the QT" statement may answer some questions.
Finding the source of that statement will help to see if it is reliable or questionable.
50/50 the source of that statement is reliable or the source is lying and directing the investigation away from themselves.

I've wondered why a meeting at a QT and if it was for some kind of drug deal saying a meeting at a QT would pretty much give it away it was for a drug deal. Saying a QT may have been a way to not say exactly where the meeting really was. Trying to hide where it was leaves me thinking the meeting was about drugs and something much more then pot, weed, Adderall, I'm thinking narcotics.
 
Haha, not sure how we got onto the no body cases, I think the person was just saying that they felt there'd be a break in the case soon. All it takes is for the right person to be talked to with a few pieces of evidence that point to them and then confess and that'd solve the case.

I don't think thats so crazy to think that could happen very quickly. For all we know the car could be in that person's garage and police wouldn't need to go beyond a single location to make a case. The iCloud data is potentially that break.
Yes. I'm hoping the icloud data is/was a missing link.

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Has anyone thought this may have been about Toni over dosing, dying and they got rid of the body and hid the car?
I thought about this a long time ago and I can't remember reading any other thoughts about this possibly being what's happened to Toni. We don't know what drugs Toni may or may not have been using.

I suggested that last week.Her tweets struck me as getting progressively darker and more depressed - like her body was reaching the limit of being chemically assisted to stay awake. One drug to feel creative needs another to feel relaxed needs another to stay awake, etc. I read Eddie Van Halen talk about being caught up in that cycle. It always eventually becomes unsustainable.
 
I just deleted my comment a few posts back, as Pete did say Toni was adamant about going to a gas station. I didn't realize there was a video in the report. It just looks like a picture in my browser...

Anyway, Pete can be seen saying, "She had left work at 4:11 and she was adamant about going to a gas station."

According to the reporter, Pete cited Toni's boss as the source of this information. The reporter says, "Pete says that Toni's boss told him that after she left work, Toni was driving to this gas station at 31st and Southwest Boulevard."

So, okay, that sounds credible. You have to wonder, though, how and why she told her boss she was going to a particular QuikTrip, one that wasn't the closest QuikTrip. I mean, how did that conversation go?

"See ya Toni. Heading home?"

"Nah, I'm headed to the QuikTrip at 31st and Boulevard."

Something doesn't seem quite right here.

http://fox4kc.com/2017/01/17/friend...mans-text-shows-she-encountered-someone-evil/
 
I suggested that last week.Her tweets struck me as getting progressively darker and more depressed - like her body was reaching the limit of being chemically assisted to stay awake. One drug to feel creative needs another to feel relaxed needs another to stay awake, etc. I read Eddie Van Halen talk about being caught up in that cycle. It always eventually becomes unsustainable.

Yes and she was openly talking about her use of Adderall, Codeine and weed but your tolerance quickly changes after you start to abuse and something stronger is needed. I doubt she would have openly talked about using a narcotic.
 
I think getting to the root of the "she was adamant to go to the QT" statement may answer some questions.
Finding the source of that statement will help to see if it is reliable or questionable.
50/50 the source of that statement is reliable or the source is lying and directing the investigation away from themselves.

I'd not be surprised if many people understand where she was going completely. People that use drugs or are involved in a common form of illegal activity, typically have the same dealer in common etc. Most drug dealers go on referrals from current customers for new customers. So I'd be surprised if numerous people didn't know exactly why she was going that direction. But are they gonna say that? naw. Logic is simple on that.

Now the real issue is motivation imo. If we rule out accident or running away for a moment -- not saying I am actually ruling them out, but for the purpose of this line of thinking -- that means that her going missing was related to some unknown illegal activity.

A drug dealer, cares about his money. If you are a threat to his money, he's going to have a problem with you. ie you owe him money or you are a snitch

A stalker -- someone from the club or wherever - they care about their obsession which then makes it sex motivated.

A human trafficker - cares about money and just simply see's her as a means to make money. That's their motivation in abducting.

A john - cares about sex. He also might have some violent impulses that lead to harming someone. Their motivation is sex.

So.. if you look at each one of those possibilities, and think about who has the ability/experience to best conceal this crime from a statistical point of view... I'd say i'd rank like this :

1. human trafficker
2. drug dealer
3. stalker
4. john

1 & 2 are really close in terms of ability/experience
3 & 4 are really close in terms of ability/experience

So if we break it down to 1&2 being most likely from this line of thinking, you next go to which of those is most likely based on the circumstances.

I personally think #2 is more likely based on what we know. Because although it's not impossible, the targets of #1 human trafficking are usually more vulnerable than I can detect that Toni was based on what we know. She was involved in risky behavior, but she had boyfriend/friends/family. She's not a runaway or foreign national. Again, not ruling this out, but just see it as less probable based on who she seems to be -- and I could be REALLY wrong on that admittedly.

#2 is something we have tons of evidence of her using drugs, so of course she has to get them from somewhere.

So... if #2 is the more probable, the next step is motivation.

money seems to be the most probable.

owing money? Snitch?

Is there a way to tell if she owes money? That's what you should be asking people around her, and not focusing on where she went etc as much. If someone knows who she owes money too, even better.

Now the reason why I don't think that owing money is the issue, is because she doesn't seem to be some drug user in an alley with no means to make money. A drug dealer is going to see her as good for the money, and apply pressure so that they get their money. It would have to get to epic proportions imo for a drug dealer to off someone like Toni. Remember, they are about money. So yes, there is a slight chance that a drug dealer would get his money from the Human Trafficker as a result, but again, I'd have to believe he'd not go to that extent w/ someone like Toni. She clearly is able to earn money.

Now... snitch. If that's the case, I'm gonna say LE already knows that. Family might know that as well. and... people around her might know that as well, and might even be several that clued the dealer in on that.


So, I don't rule out any of the illegal activities in my mind or even accident or running away. But based on what so little we know, I am at this point thinking snitch is the most probable.

But.. as an added probability, most everything I see doesn't seem to contradict the snitch angle.

LE is acting as they would. They want to find her, would know she is in great danger, but also can't say they know... in case she is alive still and no one knows yet.
Parents are acting as they would. They want to find her, but realize saying anything potentially puts her in danger.
Friends/Coworkers -- Would potentially be the ones she was snitching on. They got vested interest in her not being found.

So... I do think it's the most probable thing, based on the above. As always, the highest probability is not always reality. also... god knows we know very little that we can point to as fact!!

But my opinion is the pulling over part is a red herring in a sense, and possibly even a contributing factor to motivation in the snitch scenario. Someone knows that Toni gets pulled over all the time, they just might think... hmmm.

Lastly, if snitch is a possibility in your mind. Wouldn't you also look at some recent drug busts of people she might know? Because that would be one way that someone might discover a snitch, by simply assessing who "knew". So... if you look at it that way, she doesn't even have to be a snitch to be viewed as a snitch potentially.
 
Wonder why she would have been telling the manager of Chrome where she was going after work. Why an urgency to get to a meeting at a QT? Just this makes it seem like this meeting has something to do with her disappearing.
 
Good post, MaxManning.

The thing is, the scenarios you are considering are precisely why I am thinking about the car.

When they take out a snitch, they don't usually bother to hide the body or the car.

If we assume this was a crime, then the missing person and car point toward a sex crime.

This is also part of why I highly doubt human trafficking. Why hide the car?
 
Wonder why she would have been telling the manager of Chrome where she was going after work. Why an urgency to get to a meeting at a QT? Just this makes it seem like this meeting has something to do with her disappearing.

Well that's just what I was alluding to. It seems highly unlikely that she told her boss "I'm headed to the QuikTrip at 31st and Southwest Boulevard." It is more likely he (the boss or P) is distorting the truth in some way. It's close to the truth, but it's not what she said.
 
Is it true the Police Officer that pulled her over did escort her into the QT and that he stayed and watched her pump gas and leave? That sounds very unusual, why would he do that? Did she tell him she thought someone was following her? Did he suspect her of something other than a wrong lane change? Did he relay a message to her?
 
Is it true the Police Officer that pulled her over did escort her into the QT and that he stayed and watched her pump gas and leave? That sounds very unusual, why would he do that? Did she tell him she thought someone was following her? Did he suspect her of something other than a wrong lane change? Did he relay a message to her?

We were told by police that he escorted her to the QuikTrip, yes. The officer could have simply watched her drive over from where the stop was. No idea if he watched her pump gas or not.

It is unusual. I suspect she turned left off Burlington and pulled a u-turn because she thought she was being followed. She may well have told the officer that. The officer may have been watching for signs of impairment.
 
Good post, MaxManning.

The thing is, the scenarios you are considering are precisely why I am thinking about the car.

When they take out a snitch, they don't usually bother to hide the body or the car.

If we assume this was a crime, then the missing person and car point toward a sex crime.

This is also part of why I highly doubt human trafficking. Why hide the car?

I agree. I just don't know that much about what they do in a snitch case with a car. But for all we know they did very little to hide the car, ie parked it in a garage or drove into body of water. Driving into a body of water seems like what I'd think would be a reasonable move, if you have no connections or if you have lots of connections. Anyone can do it. Years could pass.

So, I'm not gonna get hung up on the car, because I think that 1&2 on my list could execute driving it into a lake or something like that.

They have checked bodies of water, like the river, but take a look at a KCMO map. Tons of small/medium bodies of water. I think you could certainly go around dragging those bodies of water, and might find several OTHER cars before you find Toni's. Which is why I think if the focus is on finding Toni quickly, you need to talk to *people* and theorize motivations.

If she was in an accident or ran away, I think it's more likely her car would have been found by now. Because if an accident, she likely would have drove into a body of water near her supposed route, and possibly *really* close to that QT imo. If she drove some distance and then had an accident, that seems more likely than an accident in KCMO imo. But if that is the case, the car likely gets found via some other search like how other bodies were found in the runions searches.

I do hear what you are saying, but I am going to do a little research into what drug dealers might do with a car or human traffickers.

The human trafficker thing, again, is usually in a case where someone probably doesn't even have a car. That's just my impression. That they have vulnerability ie runaway , homeless, drug problem, no family/friends, foreign national.

So the car is another reason I think it's less probable. Their targets are more vulnerable imo.


Gonna do some research on the car thing, but if I were working this case I'd have had more focus on the people around her and their activities before/after she went missing. My questioning wouldn't be directly about them, but more about Toni. If you are asking someone involved if Toni owed money etc, you might get some really quick leads. And you get a chance to evaluate those around her in the context of finding out about Toni. I think most people are going to have a few tells if they KNOW something. So I'd be targeting people in that manner.

Not to say I wouldn't be looking for the car, but if it wasn't found in first week, I think it's something that would likely be a break in the case a year or two from now when someone finds it in some back woods pond as opposed to this month. jmo
 
When they take out a snitch, they don't usually bother to hide the body or the car.

Specifically on this point. I just don't know if that's typically the case or not.

Just recently they found the Hadden kid and they took him out to middle of nowhere and killed him. He didn't have a car(that i know of), but I don't see why if he did they wouldn't be able to drive it into a pond as well.

So I'm just not sure if a snitch is statistically killed and hid or if just left somewhere. But I will research that as well as the car.

But to me, in any murder, it would seem a good idea to do some level of hiding body/car as the quicker they are found, the more that can likely be found while the trail is fresh in terms of clues. People that saw something obscure might legitimately not remember 4 months down the road. But a few days after... sure.
 
I agree underwater is plausible. Perhaps not likely, but plausible. Obviously, the police agree as well, since they've looked. The thing is, it could have been driven almost anywhere before it was disposed of.

I've been wondering just how ubiquitous those license plate readers are on major highways. Could you drive a long distance without being detected? One thing the bad guys do is steal a fresh set of plates, though.
 
Interesting read :

http://www.cracked.com/personal-exp...e-realities-being-confidential-informant.html


"I was ready to quit after that disastrous bust, but right after it wound down, the local cops called me and said, 'hey the feds just dropped off the money for you,' so I go meet them, get a couple thousand dollars. I'm like ... well, ****. That's really not that bad. From the info, they took down the whole organization, these two busts lead to about eight."

So there is also possibly a monetary benefit. I wasn't aware of that aspect, although it does make sense.
 
I agree underwater is plausible. Perhaps not likely, but plausible. Obviously, the police agree as well, since they've looked. The thing is, it could have been driven almost anywhere before it was disposed of.

I've been wondering just how ubiquitous those license plate readers are on major highways. Could you drive a long distance without being detected? One thing the bad guys do is steal a fresh set of plates, though.

I've been through Missouri before, and there are tons of bodies of water. Looking at a map, they wouldn't have to go far at all to have 100 choices. Not even 30 miles to the NW you have huge secluded areas with tons of ponds/lakes. As I was saying, I think if you started dragging all of them now, you'd find some other bodies/cars imo. But it's just not economically feasible, you need to work with people to break this case soon if the car was driven in body of water by a criminal imo.
 
Is it true the Police Officer that pulled her over did escort her into the QT and that he stayed and watched her pump gas and leave? That sounds very unusual, why would he do that? Did she tell him she thought someone was following her? Did he suspect her of something other than a wrong lane change? Did he relay a message to her?

It seems true. NKC cops are generally pretty nice although they do pull a lot of people over. I should know seeing how I have been pulled over by NKC cops 4-5 times. They were always nice. If they suspected her of being intoxicated or something similar, he would have investigated her when he initially pulled her over. I don't think anything else was suspected. I haven't seen any NKC cops who would follow the shady like behavior that you are implying.

NKC cops hang out at that Quiktrip on Burlington all the time. They will make chit chat with the QT staff there, especially during the night shift. It could have been that the officer went inside QT to chat with the staff and just glanced at her a few times while she was at the pump.
 
We were told by police that he escorted her to the QuikTrip, yes. The officer could have simply watched her drive over from where the stop was. No idea if he watched her pump gas or not.

It is unusual. I suspect she turned left off Burlington and pulled a u-turn because she thought she was being followed. She may well have told the officer that. The officer may have been watching for signs of impairment.

What makes you think she was being followed? Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

If I was being followed, I would definitively tell the cops.
 
What makes you think she was being followed? Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

If I was being followed, I would definitively tell the cops.

I said that I suspect that she thought she was being followed. And she may well have been, by the police car that pulled her over. It appears she turned left onto W 26 and pulled a u-turn. That would be what one might do if they thought they were being followed.

A few minutes later she pulled her tracking device...
 
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