Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #4

[heartgoesout]

My opinion is that what happened to her and why she was in parkville (if she was) has zero to do with banking. She might have stopped in a bank while there, but she wasn't there for the purpose of banking.

Rather easy for them to check the video at her bank in parkville, I'd hope that was done long ago if that was a possibility.

What specifically are you directing us too?

 

[PokeyMeansBusiness]

To all those outside of KC. Look up KC mob and historic control of strip industry. These are not guys anyone screws with. Google shady lady , chrome or 60 years ago.
. Ya get it... geez.

Easy with that. The "Mafia and the Machine" controlled the city for decades, but those days are long gone. There are still mob related families in KC, but from my understanding, they aren't as prevalent anymore. If they are still involved in illegal activity, it would be much more subtle imo.

 

[missgulfsouth]

There was a case in Lubbock, TX that has become quite well known for a murder conviction without a body - especially since Texas has a law that requires a body to file murder charges. In May of 1991, Scott Dunn was reported missing by his father. When the apartment was examined there was a large amount of blood found in the bedroom, a suspicious removal of carpet in the bedroom replaced with carpet from under the couch in the living room, and inconsistent and improbable stories from the victim's girlfriend.

However, with the help of the Vidocq Society, the victim's father, Jim Dunn, was able to prove his son, Scott Dunn, was murdered based on the volume of blood that was found in his apartment. The forensic specialists in the Vidocq Society were able to convince LE and prosecutors that Scott Dunn couldn't possibly still be alive with the amount of blood that was found in the apartment, which DNA testing had proven the blood to be Scott Dunn's. So the volume of blood negated the need to locate Scott Dunn's body because the amount of blood was proof he was dead and stood in place of locating his body.

The son's roommate and girlfriend, Leisha Hamilton, and the man she was having an affair with (or leading on - accounts vary), Tim Smith, were both found guilty of Dunn's murder. It was nearly 21 years to the day of Dunn's disappearance (and 15 years after the murder convictions) before his body was located in 2012, only yards from his apartment. I've attached a link to an article about this case.

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2012/10/former_yardley_pa_man_is_final.html



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The length of time ... location of remains ... unbelievably sad.

 

[PokeyMeansBusiness]

My opinion is that what happened to her and why she was in parkville (if she was) has zero to do with banking. She might have stopped in a bank while there, but she wasn't there for the purpose of banking.

Rather easy for them to check the video at her bank in parkville, I'd hope that was done long ago if that was a possibility.

What if she never made it to her bank in Parkville? What else could she have been doing in Parkville?

 

[MaxManning]

What specifically are you directing us too?

Not directing to, but directing away

I just see alot of talk about banks. I'm not clear on the significance.

I get that we have like this tiny smattering of details that restricts us to common themes :

Told cop she was low on gas
Declined transactions at the QT
Getting pulled over once? twice?
What time did each of those things happen?


I get it. yet, it's likely unimportant to a large degree imo.

The important part is why she went up that way and who she was meeting.

If she didn't get pulled over that'd be the same.
If she didn't get her card declined, that'd be the same.
If she was low on gas, that'd be the same.

Not trying to stop anyone from discussing it, if they want to. Just voicing the opinion that it's likely not the key to anything.

Now if there was bank footage in parkville or whatever, that might reveal new info. But I'd hope that they'd have been doing that kind of thing on the day she went missing and the first week. If they didn't, then I have further skepticism about the competence of LE.

But even still.. we don't even seem to know how anyone got a ping in parkville -- that could just be the new answer to "which way did she go??", which is possibly yet another diversion.

My impression is that the focus should be on people around her and what motivations they might have to harm her. Not family, but those whom she associated with regularly. They know more than they are saying, so that is where the focus should be.

For us.. it's frustrating, because what can we do on that front? we are simply bystanders.

But, in the end, I'll be very surprised if any of these details are of any importance to finding her or as to why she was targeted etc. Now, surveillance videos and dashcam footage, possibly so. They could reveal something about Toni's state of mind or sobriety level. right? Might just be me, but that's something I wouldn't mind excluding.

 

[MaxManning]

What if she never made it to her bank in Parkville? What else could she have been doing in Parkville?

I think it's kind of obvious. She wasn't in parkville to go to a bank as her primary agenda, if she was there. There's some illegal activity at play.

I know this is frustrating to us all because we don't have the ability to do this, but what should be getting focus is her friends/acquaintances in that area. Hopefully her iCloud data can help in that area. I believe some of her friends/coworkers likely can help, but are choosing not to make it clear about links.

But I don't think any amount of talk about bank declining her credit card or being low on gas, or how many times she got pulled over is going to be relevant to finding her. It's just stuff that happened on the way to some illegal activity. What was gonna happen was gonna happen regardless of the hurdles along the way jmo

edit - maybe the only thing that could end up relevant is her being seen pulled over by a cop and creating suspicion by those she was going to meet with.

 

[heartgoesout]

To all those outside of KC. Look up KC mob and historic control of strip industry. These are not guys anyone screws with. Google shady lady , chrome or 60 years ago.
. Ya get it... geez.

What specifically are you directing us to?

 

[heartgoesout]

Sorry Max I quoted the wrong paragraph. I meant to ask BamiesFan what we are to be looking for and how specifically it relates.

 

[MaxManning]

Sorry Max I quoted the wrong paragraph. I meant to ask BamiesFan what we are to be looking for and how specifically it relates.

haha, ok.

I am hoping this iCloud data results in a big break.

 

[travelbug]

It would be interesting to check out the flight logs for private aircraft out of KCI the day she disappeared.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

What is quite unusual in this case is that she went missing with her car and after 42 days her car still hasn't been found.

I have always been suspicious of the stories including people who work at body shops because I can see why those stories would get started. The problem, however, is that working at a body shop does not help you in the least if you need to get rid of a high-profile stolen vehicle. It just doesn't work that way. You don't have the keys to the place, presumably, and what are you going to tell your boss? "Hey boss, I got this 2014 Focus I don't need anymore so I'm just going to cut it up for scrap. Is it okay if I use the facilities?" It's just not going to happen. And even if you own the place, you can't very well tell your employees to cut up a 2014 Focus for scrap. Somebody is going to tip the police. If you are the owner you might have been able to come in on the Sunday and spend the whole day cutting up the car. Maybe with one trusted friend helping you. But then you still have to get rid of all the stuff. The engine. The tranny. The body parts. The wheels. The cut up car body. It would be hard to do. I suppose if it were a very small owner/operator type shop it might work.

It's possible, yes, but I really think the chances of a body shop being involved in making Toni's car disappear is very near zero. It is simply not feasible. If a bad guy were involved it is almost certain the car ended up in a private garage, or on a large property, perhaps in a barn or something like that. Sometimes they do dump it in the river.

Usually, they just dump the car. If they're worried about evidence, they set it on fire. So this case is unusual.

Anyway, I am still hopeful they will find the car. It would be a big break in the case.

There are places in KC where a car could be left, with or without keys, and disappear shortly, never to be seen again.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

My thoughts.
The manager or a coworker told whoever called looking for her that she mentioned she really needed to stop at the QT.
If Pete was sleeping at that time of night he would have no idea what her intention was after work. For the most part.
So someone told Pete about her needing to go to a QT and he believed it.
There is no indication that she went to the adamant QT.
So whoever said that lied or was lied to.
If the J's said that then we're on to something.
Otherwise the info is too questionable to be held as fact.

I've questioned from the start where the info came from about where she was supposedly going. What we were told doesn't make any sense considering she was known to be in North KC.

IMO, whomever originally provided the info that she was going to the Shady Lady has reason to put her in that area when she was really somewhere else.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I feel like the insurance company tracking device being disconnected at the gas station is the biggest clue. She had to have done that on purpose. For some reason, she didn't want it known where she was going.

Maybe she really did tell people she was going to the Shady Lady and *she* was the one doing the misdirecting.

And why be "adamant" about going to the gas station? That's a weird way to phrase it. Even if she was low on gas she'd just say "First thing I've gotta do is get gas, my gas light came on 30 miles ago", not "I'm going to the gas station and you can't stop me! I will absolutely be at a gas station!"

I think she went away on purpose. But, she may be staying

 

[PokeyMeansBusiness]

I think it's kind of obvious. She wasn't in parkville to go to a bank as her primary agenda, if she was there. There's some illegal activity at play.

I know this is frustrating to us all because we don't have the ability to do this, but what should be getting focus is her friends/acquaintances in that area. Hopefully her iCloud data can help in that area. I believe some of her friends/coworkers likely can help, but are choosing not to make it clear about links.

But I don't think any amount of talk about bank declining her credit card or being low on gas, or how many times she got pulled over is going to be relevant to finding her. It's just stuff that happened on the way to some illegal activity. What was gonna happen was gonna happen regardless of the hurdles along the way jmo

edit - maybe the only thing that could end up relevant is her being seen pulled over by a cop and creating suspicion by those she was going to meet with.

What leads you to believe it is obvious? I haven't seen anything in this case that makes me believe she would go to Parkville to conduct illegal activity.

 

[BaileyC]

I've just learned the Parkville ping was not information given out by LE. From what I have read software tracking of a GPS can find the phone up to a fifty foot radius. How accurate would the Parkville ping be if not located by LE? I also read LE can track a phone up to a few feet from where it is located. Why would LE be able to track it more efficiently than someone not in LE?

 

[Jerrod]

I've just learned the Parkville ping was not information given out by LE. From what I have read software tracking of a GPS can find the phone up to a fifty foot radius. How accurate would the Parkville ping be if not located by LE? I also read LE can track a phone up to a few feet from where it is located. Why would LE be able to track it more efficiently than someone not in LE?

Are you referring to tracking a phone by sending a ping, or tracking the location of a phone where & when a previous ping was logged? There are all kinds of sophisticated GPS trackers available to the public that can pinpoint exact addresses, but they don't work retroactively.

 

[IllinoisMissing]

I've just learned the Parkville ping was not information given out by LE. From what I have read software tracking of a GPS can find the phone up to a fifty foot radius. How accurate would the Parkville ping be if not located by LE? I also read LE can track a phone up to a few feet from where it is located. Why would LE be able to track it more efficiently than someone not in LE?

This has always been my issue with this disappearance. The "source" of the information, or IMO, misinformation.

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[BaileyC]

Are you referring to tracking a phone by sending a ping, or tracking the location of a phone where & when a previous ping was logged? There are all kinds of sophisticated GPS trackers available to the public that can pinpoint exact addresses, but they don't work retroactively.

I'm asking the question in relation to Toni's disappearance and her phone. It would be in the past so from what you're saying it couldn't be done? How did they come up with the last ping coming from Parkville?

 

[Jerrod]

I'm asking the question in relation to Toni's disappearance and her phone. It would be in the past so from what you're saying it couldn't be done? How did they come up with the last ping coming from Parkville?

Most of the references to the original source of the "last ping Parkville"claim are on message threads long since buried, but they were attributed to PS Jr. in the beginning, apparently using the logic that he was the only person close to Toni with access to her SM accounts. Since PS Sr. - along with others - were focusing their early searches in & around English Landing Park, they must've considered the Parkville ping to be legitimate. Another reason to consider the ping to be valid is that LE did a sonar scan of the river in that vicinity, and LE generally doesn't spend its time & resources on hearsay.

 

[MaxManning]

What leads you to believe it is obvious? I haven't seen anything in this case that makes me believe she would go to Parkville to conduct illegal activity.

I do think it's obvious (to me) that they aren't telling the truth and being purposefully vague, due to illegal activity. I am certainly fallible.

I guess we can revisit this question when/if the case is solved.

If I'm wrong, I'll be obviously wrong