Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #14

[raisincharlie]

Just checked. Scott lives VERY close.

So chances are if he lives close - someone would have noticed LE rolling into his house and tossing him out for a bit ? Wouldn't take long for that to get out - you all haven't heard anything ? The warrant was the 25th - it would have had to have been conducted within 48 hours of being issued.

 

[raisincharlie]

I was actually wondering why they even allowed the SW for the work location to be disclosed? Why not seal that one too, just like they sealed the 3rd warrant? This way, the only thing the public would know at the moment is 2 additional warrants have been served (for unidentified locations/persons). As it stands, it's clear that LE has an interest in BC's workplace. Why not keep that sealed also?

LE can be very tricky at times. Valid question no doubt.

 

[reddress58]

Line 166 - it is worded funny - he says he went out at 615 to buy milk. Brad speak I guess.

The point is...his time line is reasonable (well thought out) because there could be some lollygagging to and fro one side or the other. But Momof 3 wants us to imagine the 4am purchase and what may have transpired before and/or after a bleach run...assuming that happend. Just a "for instance" scenerio.

 

[reddress58]

So chances are if he lives close - someone would have noticed LE rolling into his house and tossing him out for a bit ? Wouldn't take long for that to get out - you all haven't heard anything ? The warrant was the 25th - it would have had to have been conducted within 48 hours of being issued.

Nothing that I've heard.

 

[CyberPro]

OK, his time line is 6:15 for milk...home again and realizing no bleach(oops I mean detergent) Out again. On the way to 2nd HT trip receives phone call from the land line for juice. Makes purchase for juice & detergent at 6:40. That isn't being a slow driver!!!!

I find it kind of funny that he is able to state with that much exactitude what the times of the grocery runs were. Anybody wanna get in that line with me?

I know we often see cop shows where the eternal question is "Where were you on the night of..." I mean, unless you DO have a receipt or some time record, or perhaps were TRYING to establish an alibi, why would you note the time with such precision? Did he syncronize his watch with the atomic clock before each grocery run?

Stop and think about it for a minute, even if things are JUST EXACTLY like he says, and NC was alive and made those calls, after you found out she was missing and all the chaos that consumed the next few days, would you be able to pinpoint an errand that you ran down to the minute? I would have been lucky to have gotten the time correct to within an hour.

You also have to think about how time passes when you are hopped up with adreneline, it can seem like 15 minutes have passed when it really has been 2 hours. It is hard to pay attention to details, and to recall events clearly.

Now, this came from a work of fiction, and might not be true, but a detective is confronting someone he susptects of having committed a crime, and the alibi is not very convincing. The suspect says that he knows his alibi does not sound convincing, and he wishes he had a better one, but the Detective says, "No, alibies, the real ones anyway, have more holes than a Salvation Army Suit. I start to worry when they look like suits of armor."

CyberPro

 

[wirehair]

I think that rain would weigh down the feathers and they couldn't fly as well. From the sounds of the "dog walker" they had already found what they were searching for.
If you have not been out on 1010 and Kildaire Farm Road and Holly Springs Road in the last 2 years after midnight; you need to check it out. There are vehicles everywhere. You could not sneak in a road or driveway and not get caught if you tried very hard. After 2 or so the traffic slows down and people wouldn't notice. Of course he would have to watch for deer. One day I'm going to ride through Lockmere late at night just to see how many lights are on. This time of year there are always teens coming home from dates, etc.

 

[reddress58]

Nite nite for me. It's friday here.

 

[raisincharlie]

The point is...his time line is reasonable (well thought out) because there could be some lollygagging to and fro one side or the other. But Momof 3 wants us to imagine the 4am purchase and what may have transpired before and/or after a bleach run...assuming that happend. Just a "for instance" scenerio.

I agree it is most likely a reasonable time frame - not consistent but reasonable.

 

[Wyn]

I disagree. Two looooonnnggg stop lights.

The two lights he would go through would be the one turning right onto Kildaire Farm Road, off of Lochmere Drive. With not much traffic there, turning right would be a breeze that time of morning. The next light would be the one to turn left into the shopping center. If there's no traffic, he'd get a green turn arrow pretty quickly.

 

[reddress58]

I find it kind of funny that he is able to state with that much exactitude what the times of the grocery runs were. Anybody wanna get in that line with me?

I know we often see cop shows where the eternal question is "Where were you on the night of..." I mean, unless you DO have a receipt or some time record, or perhaps were TRYING to establish an alibi, why would you note the time with such precision? Did he syncronize his watch with the atomic clock before each grocery run?

Stop and think about it for a minute, even if things are JUST EXACTLY like he says, and NC was alive and made those calls, after you found out she was missing and all the chaos that consumed the next few days, would you be able to pinpoint an errand that you ran down to the minute? I would have been lucky to have gotten the time correct to within an hour.

You also have to think about how time passes when you are hopped up with adreneline, it can seem like 15 minutes have passed when it really has been 2 hours. It is hard to pay attention to details, and to recall events clearly.

Now, this came from a work of fiction, and might not be true, but a detective is confronting someone he susptects of having committed a crime, and the alibi is not very convincing. The suspect says that he knows his alibi does not sound convincing, and he wishes he had a better one, but the Detective says, "No, alibies, the real ones anyway, have more holes than a Salvation Army Suit. I start to worry when they look like suits of armor."

CyberPro

Very, very true, Cyber. Good point!!

 

[raisincharlie]

I find it kind of funny that he is able to state with that much exactitude what the times of the grocery runs were. Anybody wanna get in that line with me?

I know we often see cop shows where the eternal question is "Where were you on the night of..." I mean, unless you DO have a receipt or some time record, or perhaps were TRYING to establish an alibi, why would you note the time with such precision? Did he syncronize his watch with the atomic clock before each grocery run?

Stop and think about it for a minute, even if things are JUST EXACTLY like he says, and NC was alive and made those calls, after you found out she was missing and all the chaos that consumed the next few days, would you be able to pinpoint an errand that you ran down to the minute? I would have been lucky to have gotten the time correct to within an hour.

You also have to think about how time passes when you are hopped up with adreneline, it can seem like 15 minutes have passed when it really has been 2 hours. It is hard to pay attention to details, and to recall events clearly.

Now, this came from a work of fiction, and might not be true, but a detective is confronting someone he susptects of having committed a crime, and the alibi is not very convincing. The suspect says that he knows his alibi does not sound convincing, and he wishes he had a better one, but the Detective says, "No, alibies, the real ones anyway, have more holes than a Salvation Army Suit. I start to worry when they look like suits of armor."

CyberPro

I'm in that line with you. A bit too specific, or convenient, one or the other.

 

[reddress58]

The two lights he would go through would be the one turning right onto Kildaire Farm Road, off of Lochmere Drive. With not much traffic there, turning right would be a breeze that time of morning. The next light would be the one to turn left into the shopping center. If there's no traffic, he'd get a green turn arrow pretty quickly.

Not necessarily. I've waited at 2 in the morning for those lights. Had to take a friend to HT 2 months ago to get a prescription in the middle of the night and WAITED at the stoplight. He told me I was nuts and I should turn. I'm such a "rule person" though and wouldn't do it.

 

[reddress58]

LE can be very tricky at times. Valid question no doubt.

I think they knew that word would get out because half of Cary works at Cisco. Could be diverting rumors.

 

[raisincharlie]

I think they knew that word would get out because half of Cary works at Cisco. Could be diverting rumors.

Or creating them...

 

[reddress58]

:bedtime:

 

[Wyn]

Not necessarily. I've waited at 2 in the morning for those lights. Had to take a friend to HT 2 months ago to get a prescription in the middle of the night and WAITED at the stoplight. He told me I was nuts and I should turn. I'm such a "rule person" though and wouldn't do it.

You'd only have to wait for the one at Harris Teeter. You'd be making a right on to Kildaire Farm Road. The pharmacy is open at HT in the middle of the night?? I didn't know that. I get my prescriptions at the CVS on the corner of Kildaire and Penny. Sometimes they close before I remember to go by!

 

[CyberPro]

I read in the previous thread about some of the locals wanting to get together for a meet-up. I am just now getting to read that thread, and I would like to be able to do that, I would find it interesting to meet some of my local sleuths....

Unfortunately, I am traveling a LOT lately, and am making my way back to Cary. I have some heavy road time for the next couple of months, so it is unlikely that I would be able to attend....

Maybe another time! Y'all have a cup of coffee for me.

CyberPro :smiliecup: :banghead:

 

[CyberPro]

You'd only have to wait for the one at Harris Teeter. You'd be making a right on to Kildaire Farm Road. The pharmacy is open at HT in the middle of the night?? I didn't know that. I get my prescriptions at the CVS on the corner of Kildaire and Penny. Sometimes they close before I remember to go by!

Wyn,

You are very brave to get your prescriptions filled at that CVS. I have taken several there, and have felt like the kids would get well on their own before they ever got around to filling them. Seems at times like you could die of old age before they fill the bottles... makes me want to check the expiration dates on the meds, just in case they have expired while I was waiting on them.

I sometimes wonder if they do that so you will busy yourself looking around the store while you are waiting, and find some other stuff to buy.

CyberPro

 

[fran]

I find it kind of funny that he is able to state with that much exactitude what the times of the grocery runs were. Anybody wanna get in that line with me?

I know we often see cop shows where the eternal question is "Where were you on the night of..." I mean, unless you DO have a receipt or some time record, or perhaps were TRYING to establish an alibi, why would you note the time with such precision? Did he syncronize his watch with the atomic clock before each grocery run?

Stop and think about it for a minute, even if things are JUST EXACTLY like he says, and NC was alive and made those calls, after you found out she was missing and all the chaos that consumed the next few days, would you be able to pinpoint an errand that you ran down to the minute? I would have been lucky to have gotten the time correct to within an hour.

You also have to think about how time passes when you are hopped up with adreneline, it can seem like 15 minutes have passed when it really has been 2 hours. It is hard to pay attention to details, and to recall events clearly.

Now, this came from a work of fiction, and might not be true, but a detective is confronting someone he susptects of having committed a crime, and the alibi is not very convincing. The suspect says that he knows his alibi does not sound convincing, and he wishes he had a better one, but the Detective says, "No, alibies, the real ones anyway, have more holes than a Salvation Army Suit. I start to worry when they look like suits of armor."

CyberPro

FWIW, I've been in a situation where I had to explain my previous 2 hours or so. I could not remember exact times. Ehhh...IF I'd known it was important at the time, I would have looked at the clock when I left.

LE will ask you the same questions 5 or 10 times, just different ways. You don't even realize they're doing it until you reflect back and realize what they'd done. Believe me, they KNOW when you're being honest, or when you're ehhh......fudging.

JMHO
fran

 

[fran]

I'm in that line with you. A bit too specific, or convenient, one or the other.

Brad's timeline from 6-7 that morning bothers me. I could swear I heard him tell Greta, in a telephone interview, that Nancy had left at 6 or 6:30. Unfortunately, Greta doesn't have transcripts available of the interview. I believe it was on July 14, Monday,......not sure, but fairly certain. He may have even said "6, 6:30, 7," or something like that.

NOW that has TURNED into 7. No mention of the other times now.

IMHO, LE needs to contact On The Record producers and get a copy of that short clip. It might be important on Brad's allegations of the morning timeline.

Another thing about Brad's description of the mornings timeline and description of just,.......things.

Perps OFTEN volunteer information before it is asked.

As we saw in the Laci Peterson case, they OFTEN give too much detail. I guess they think that makes it more believeable.

Like I said yesterday, "The devil is in the details."

JMHO
fran