NANCY GRACE ~ Tuesday, 12/30/08

[HRCODEPINK]

That is exactly my thinking. Privilege or not, there is a difference between not disclosing communications made by the client and breaking the law. An attorney is not allowed to let another crime be committed when he knows it is about to occur, that is not privileged. He is not allowed to physically hide evidence. That is different than disclosing its location.

But lets use some of the teenage crimes we have seen, perps A and B kill someone and then tell their friends where the bodies are, friends C, D, and E all go into the house to check it out instead of calling the police (or remaining silent). They are potentially destroying a crime scene and would either be prosecuted with their friends or forced to turns states evidence.

I would like to hear the audio on that tape and see what the context of being in this location was.

They would also be guilty to misprision, which is used far too infrequently. In this case it seems there may be a ton of it!

 

[yosande]

rewatching, pi said body wasn't there when they were. DC the pi attempted to get video from JH another pi, but JH said he had taped over it.
DC now wonders why JH didn't just give him the tape.

 

[charo]

Jean- the host for NG tonight said she looked up the private investigators today and they had a certain word next to their names -something they were called in their line of work- anyone remember what she said? As soon as she said these words, my mind told me they are in it to sell the video- I cannot see the transcripts to her show to find out -

 

[TxRose]

Okay, and does Hoover work for Casey? are they partners? Who worked for Baez directly and who worked for the Anthony's directly? If Casey falls under privilege by being paid by Baez, do we know for sure that Hoover does as well?

My understanding...and it could be wrong because I am confused on this issue...but I thought that PI Casey had worked for JB at one time...but then left. He either went to work on his own or for the A's. I thought that PI Hoover worked solely for the A's...never for JB. I think all of this needs to be confirmed though. And the dates when each PI worked for whoever they worked for will need to be confirmed...because it WILL matter to whether the tip or video is privileged.

 

[Boston]

I don't believe a word LP says - The man has straight out lied on numerous occasions

It's kind of odd that he's just remembering "The Video" now ....6 Months later

I think Leonard tries to pretend that he knows more than he does just to keep himself close to the case & on TV

 

[yosande]

LP says DC said he was going to go get the body, JH went with him. When they got there, no body was found. They came back to LP who said they had a video of less than 2 minutes in length.
Later in show LP states they were 2-300 yards off.
LP further states that RK the meter reader was 600 yards off in August, and Kiomarie was off by only 250 feet.
I remember reading that after Kiomarie's statement, LE went to that area and searched.
RK the meter reader simply had a hunch?
Mark on NG says there is a connecting the dots that needs to be done. These people are connected somehow, opinion only at this point in time.

 

[TxRose]

This case just gets crazier and crazier. If Leonard is right, the whole lot of people involved should be in jail. I just wonder if LP tried to report what the PI said about finding the body. If so, that's yet another tip that Caylee might be in that general area, but why didn't Leonard search there?

But why would he if nobody found anything there?

 

[Sherbie]

I wanted to add that I read somewhere last night (was googling for PI privilege obligations in FL) that, unlike in most states, in Florida and a handful of other states, a PI's entire client file can be subpoenaed. That'd be interesting! Of course, knowing that potential exists, I imagine certain things may not make it to the file. Wish we had a FL private investigator on board to help with this privilege thing.

 

[TxRose]

I don't believe a word LP says - The man has straight out lied on numerous occasions

It's kind of odd that he's just remembering "The Video" now ....6 Months later

I think Leonard tries to pretend that he knows more than he does just to keep himself close to the case & on TV

But see - I don't think he thought the video was relevant. It wasn't in the right area and they didn't find anything. I think he spoke out about it because it has recently hit the news. But you would think if PI Casey actually did say "we found Caylee and she is dead but we are going to get her now"...that he would remember that and find it significant. That is why I doubt that was actually said. I think it far more likely that the PI told the other PI he had a tip and they should go check it out. I think he may be trying to make this sound more sensational than it was. JMO

 

[TxRose]

LP says DC said he was going to go get the body, JH went with him. When they got there, no body was found. They came back to LP who said they had a video of less than 2 minutes in length.
Later in show LP states they were 2-300 yards off.
LP further states that RK the meter reader was 600 yards off in August, and Kiomarie was off by only 250 feet.
I remember reading that after Kiomarie's statement, LE went to that area and searched.
RK the meter reader simply had a hunch?
Mark on NG says there is a connecting the dots that needs to be done. These people are connected somehow, opinion only at this point in time.

You know I am still a bit suspicious of these distances he is spitting out. How does he know where the MR was? That hasn't been disclosed that I know of. Heck - even LE is still investigating that. How does he know the EXACT spot Kiomarie pointed out...and did he go measure it? Same goes for the PI's. He could look at the video and know it wasn't the exact spot...but the exact distance I find suspect. I will say that I believe he is right in stated that none of these people were looking in the right spot though.

 

[pirate]

Is it possible that LP could be working with LE and SA somehow? Perhaps being told what he can and cannot say during his tv appearances?

He sure does stir the pot and he speaks so certainly about things that I can't imagine LE would want him to say. I would think he would have been muzzled by now if they didn't want him talking.

 

[Boston]

The PI's went & looked at that area for a reason.

That most likely means that either Casey or one of the Anthony's said that they dumped the body there or they over heard something.

Why didn't LP mention seeing this tape until AFTER it was reported that there was a tape?

The man has been on TV every night & he never mentioned that the PI's working for the Anthony's claimed that they found Caylee & that they showed him a video of that area?

You would think that after Caylee's Body was found there he would have mentioned this.

 

[shergal]

The way I understood the dates LP was talking about (and I figured he misled some by nor mentioning which month) was the PI took the video on Nov. 15th. Then LATER, on DEC. 15th, he told LP he had this video of this area and Caylee was found there dead and "they" (which I took to mean LE) were going to get the body now - on Dec. 16th. This would fit with when LE went to the body more closely wouldn't it?

LP just said "on the 15th" but I took it to mean Dec. 15th. Because obviously on Nov. 15th no one knew where Caylee's body was yet.

 

[Sherbie]

Is it possible that LP could be working with LE and SA somehow? Perhaps being told what he can and cannot say during his tv appearances?

He sure does stir the pot and he speaks so certainly about things that I can't imagine LE would want him to say. I would think he would have been muzzled by now if they didn't want him talking.

That's kinda what I've wondered from time to time, too. That he's willing to get out there and plant whatever needs planting, perhaps to shake up the perp or others who may have helped/been involved to the point that someone cracks, but maybe on his own from info he develops from sources as opposed to on behalf of LE.

He does seem to have a pretty big "in" with the FBI, if anything he says can be trusted.

ETA: He seems the type to me that would be willing to suffer public disparaging or the possibility of being sued in order to keep rattling the cages to try to get something to give.

 

[Boston]

Is it possible that LP could be working with LE and SA somehow? Perhaps being told what he can and cannot say during his tv appearances?

He sure does stir the pot and he speaks so certainly about things that I can't imagine LE would want him to say. I would think he would have been muzzled by now if they didn't want him talking.

No....Zero chance

In fact he is either going to be arrested or sued by the time this case is over

 

[Sherbie]

The way I understood the dates LP was talking about (and I figured he misled some by nor mentioning which month) was the PI took the video on Nov. 15th. Then LATER, on DEC. 15th, he told LP he had this video of this area and Caylee was found there dead and "they" (which I took to mean LE) were going to get the body now - on Dec. 16th. This would fit with when LE went to the body more closely wouldn't it?

LP just said "on the 15th" but I took it to mean Dec. 15th. Because obviously on Nov. 15th no one knew where Caylee's body was yet.

I also understood LP to mean that his conversations with Hoover were recent (after the discovery of Caylee's remains).

 

[pirate]

No....Zero chance

In fact he is either going to be arrested or sued by the time this case is over

The fact that he hasn't been yet makes me wonder if they want him to keep on stirring.

 

[*lore621*]

The fact that he hasn't been yet makes me wonder if they want him to keep on stirring.

Of course they do. He's great for ratings. Look how worked up he's got us.

 

[charo]

I have always thought LP was working with someone with this case because he keeps giving us tidbits every night to work off of, whether true ones or not, but its like hes trying to put ideas in our heads to form a theory and I feel he does know more than we think and wants us to know also so hes throwing ideas out there. Has anyone researched the 2 private investigators yet and see what info is on their sites?

 

[Boston]

The fact that he hasn't been yet makes me wonder if they want him to keep on stirring.

I think he's stirring the pot because he's an ego-maniac who likes to pretend that he knows more than he does just to make himself seem important.

Leonard told "dateline" that ..."He Loves the media attention."

He's dropping these "Bombshells" because it makes him seem knowledgeable about the case or that he has inside information & the more inside information he has the more he will be invited back to the show.

LP told us everything he knows about the case months ago...anything "New" is pure BS made up to serve himself.