Nancy's Friends Object!

[Anderson]

Not sure I realized this one... do we know who did originally contact the Rentz's? JA? LE? Someone else? [ and when they were contacted]

I believe that Brad noted in his original affidavit that he had ASKED her friends to phone her parents; I don't know if he mentioned a specific friend. I always thought this was odd, although he frames this as asking for their help.

 

[Topsail Girl]

Hi All,

I do know Jessica Adam has Nancy's parents phone number and I suspect she is the one who called Nancy's parents. I have no proof of that, though, just my opinion.

 

[jumpstreet]

I believe that Brad noted in his original affidavit that he had ASKED her friends to phone her parents; I don't know if he mentioned a specific friend. I always thought this was odd, although he frames this as asking for their help.

Right - recalling that now too... thanks.

 

[Anderson]

Hi All,

I do know Jessica Adam has Nancy's parents phone number and I suspect she is the one who called Nancy's parents. I have no proof of that, though, just my opinion.

It doesn't matter how busy Brad was on July 12th, or how strained the relationship was with her parents or NC, I think that a normal worried husband would have called his wife's parents in this situation. The fact that he didn't call NC's parent's made him look guilty frrom the beginning to me.

 

[fran]

I remember reading that the friends had not really heard NC complain about him hitting her. Other than that one slap on the leg, I understood the situation to be one of intimidation and control rather than physical abuse.

IMHO, the fact that he may not have physically abused Nancy up to that point, doesn't really matter. It's the 'threat' of violence that is used, which is just mere seconds away from either happening or not.

I had a friend who's husband used to say, every time they got in a heated argument, "Remember to death do us part."

Another friend's husband used to tell her, "I could make you disappear and no one would miss you for months. They'd never find you."

The first one, did try to kill her and went to jail for it. The second one didn't try to kill her.

On the statistics of murder of pregnant women includes the fact that 1 in 6 pregnant women report abuse. Of those, for 40%, this is the FIRST time of 'physical' abuse.

Nancy slept behind a locked door, in her clothes, with her car keys in her pocket. That tells me, there was the THREAT of violence simmering beneath a 'thin' surface.

Looks like Nancy was correct in her intuition that Brad COULD turn violent, huh?

JMHO
fran

 

[jmflu]

IMHO, the fact that he may not have physically abused Nancy up to that point, doesn't really matter. It's the 'threat' of violence that is used, which is just mere seconds away from either happening or not.

I had a friend who's husband used to say, every time they got in a heated argument, "Remember to death do us part."

Another friend's husband used to tell her, "I could make you disappear and no one would miss you for months. They'd never find you."


fran

OMG, how HORRIBLE. I can't even IMAGINE staying one moment longer with a man who would utter either of these sentences.

But, I do believe it matters if he abused her or not. Fear is really awful, but it's worse when it's taken out. JMHO.

 

[raisincharlie]

It doesn't matter how busy Brad was on July 12th, or how strained the relationship was with her parents or NC, I think that a normal worried husband would have called his wife's parents in this situation. The fact that he didn't call NC's parent's made him look guilty frrom the beginning to me.

Kinda like riding around in a car looking for a runner on closed trails and never checking or even mentioning checking hospitals given his wife suffered a rather debilitating disease. No need to check those hospitals or to call 911. Good thing Nancy had good friends who even when stressed could think clearly enough to address such issues aye ?

 

[Anderson]

Kinda like riding around in a car looking for a runner on closed trails and never checking or even mentioning checking hospitals given his wife suffered a rather debilitating disease. No need to check those hospitals or to call 911. Good thing Nancy had good friends who even when stressed could think clearly enough to address such issues aye ?

Yes, she had/has great friends. I couldn't agree with you more!!

 

[fran]

OMG, how HORRIBLE. I can't even IMAGINE staying one moment longer with a man who would utter either of these sentences.

But, I do believe it matters if he abused her or not. Fear is really awful, but it's worse when it's taken out. JMHO.

See, we doN't know IF Brad may have made these same type of statements to Nancy. He very well may have. Either that or made lunges towards her without actually touching her. It's the threat that at any given second, can turn into action.

IMHO, that's what happened that night. Something triggered the ultimate violence.

From what I understand, Nancy and Brad had been arguing ealier that Friday, all day I believe, before the BBQ. Then Brad, who normally didn't attend the majority of neighborhood get togethers, per Affidavits, went with Nancy and the girls and from what's been said, Nancy may have embarrassed Brad. Like when he was upset because he, Brad, didn't understand what one of the girls wanted. Nancy told him he needed to 'watch the signs.' or some such thing.

IMO, Brad is NOT one to be corrected, and especially in front of others.

Brad went home early with the girls and Nancy didn't go home for a few more hours. While waiting for Nancy to return home, Brad had plenty of time to simmer and get angrier and angrier.

By the time Nancy got home, he MAY have been at the boiling point. It wouldn't take much to set him off!

Just an idea,
fran

PS....see, it's statements like I mentioned earlier, that these guys make behind closed doors. THAT is why they, the abusers (ala Scott Peterson), say 'No one knows what goes on in this marriage, but you and me.' That is why they isolate their victim, so they won't talk. It's a FACT, I've seen it and heard it, ala second hand, but you get the point.....fran

 

[raisincharlie]

Fran,

JMO but I think we are going to find there is at least one if not more friend(s) that knew of actual physical abuse that may have occurred on one or more occasions. No basis for that - just a gut feel that goes back to before the hearing of 25 July and the subpeona on Interact by the Rentz's.

 

[fran]

Fran,

JMO but I think we are going to find there is at least one if not more friend(s) that knew of actual physical abuse that may have occurred on one or more occasions. No basis for that - just a gut feel that goes back to before the hearing of 25 July and the subpeona on Interact by the Rentz's.

I believe you're right raisincharlie. IMO, every time they throw these affidavits out, they show their hand. They show EVERYONE, including LE, what they're worried about. They are most likely telling LE things they weren't aware of.:bang:

See........these types think they're so clever. Throwing little inuendos out here and there. Like specifying specific back dates they want information from. Like January 2007, for instance. So this means to ME, there's been problems in the Cooper household dating at least back to then.

Oh, and like the 'tire slashing incident,' IIRC, back January 2006. What? They were having problems then? Did he slash her tires in a fit of rage?! I mean, what would that have to do with it?

Me thinks Mr. Cooper is sitting at home worried as can be. By his reqeusting copies of their 'blogging posts,' I believe he's spending too much time on the internet too. LOL, the whole internet community is out to get him!


JMHO
fran

BOO!!!!

:woohoo:
LOL, caught ya!

 

[SleuthyGal]

He's his own worst enemy.

always was. always will be.

BTW, so was Scott Peterson, among others.

IMHO.

 

[raisincharlie]

I believe you're right raisincharlie. IMO, every time they throw these affidavits out, they show their hand. They show EVERYONE, including LE, what they're worried about. They are most likely telling LE things they weren't aware of.:bang:

See........these types think they're so clever. Throwing little inuendos out here and there. Like specifying specific back dates they want information from. Like January 2007, for instance. So this means to ME, there's been problems in the Cooper household dating at least back to then.

Oh, and like the 'tire slashing incident,' IIRC, back January 2006. What? They were having problems then? Did he slash her tires in a fit of rage?! I mean, what would that have to do with it?

Me thinks Mr. Cooper is sitting at home worried as can be. By his reqeusting copies of their 'blogging posts,' I believe he's spending too much time on the internet too. LOL, the whole internet community is out to get him!


JMHO
fran

BOO!!!!

:woohoo:
LOL, caught ya!

Well Fran - we know or at least Brad says he and Nancy had no physical relationship for over 2.5 years so Janurary 2006 sounds like a good time to slash tires - would have just found out there was a second child on the way by then. JMO I don't believe he much liked having the first child. I agree, there is a time line line being established here and it goes back a good ways.

I also agree, Brad boy has plenty of time to be checking out the internet blogs and websites that may be pertinent. I'm wondering why he wants all these pictures as well? There is a reason and LE is definitely watching with great interest. You know the old saying - be careful what you wish for - its pretty well true.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Having kids can be tough on some men...the focus is typically off the big strong he-man and is focused on the new baby. Some men transition really well to that change; others, not so much. A man with narcissistic tendencies would not enjoy losing attention/affection. IMHO.

 

[jmflu]

so Janurary 2006 sounds like a good time to slash tires - QUOTE]-

I'm doubting he slashed her tires, because then he'd just have to go buy new ones and have them put on himself. Since he kept all the money from her. If he wanted to keep her from going someplace, he could just take her keys!

 

[raisincharlie]

so Janurary 2006 sounds like a good time to slash tires - QUOTE]-

I'm doubting he slashed her tires, because then he'd just have to go buy new ones and have them put on himself. Since he kept all the money from her. If he wanted to keep her from going someplace, he could just take her keys!

I'm not sure we really know when he started keeping money and credit cards from Nancy actually. I can see it being done as intimidation regardless of the costs.

 

[jmflu]

I'm not sure we really know when he started keeping money and credit cards from Nancy actually. I can see it being done as intimidation regardless of the costs.

And I suppose there is certainly a point at which reason doesn't enter into the scenario, when emotion takes over.

 

[Tridavis]

Now that most have convicted BC, I have but one question. How many had already convicted John Ramsey and hung him out to dry? It's hard to deny when it is in the archives!!!!

 

[raisincharlie]

Now that most have convicted BC, I have but one question. How many had already convicted John Ramsey and hung him out to dry? It's hard to deny when it is in the archives!!!!

Not me. No conviction of Patsy either

 

[jmflu]

Now that most have convicted BC, I have but one question. How many had already convicted John Ramsey and hung him out to dry? It's hard to deny when it is in the archives!!!!

It seems you are inferring that people go with their gut reaction and always blame the parents or spouse without reason.