NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #3

[mpnola]

I have seen about 30 posts talking about the room service receipt and him not wanting to be drunk to be able to perform and having proper fuel for being focused and him needing the table so he said 2 people..... am I missing something? Isn't that receipt from Sept 27? Which was not the day of the shooting?

Also, I gave my input on this before. Lots of times, even if you say 1 person, they mark 2 so they can bring you extra rolls, water silverware, whatever. I don't think that receipt is telling, except to say he likes hamburgers. My opinion.

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[Manterro]

I was watching MSNBC Sunday night, October 1st. I watched/listened to the very first reports - including the sounds of the rapid-fire gunfire.

Then later (again) hearing the audio of the shooting on all the cable news channels (including the recently released bodycam video/audio), I have zero doubt that the shooter fired thousands of rounds during those 10 or so minutes of shooting.

There is no conspiracy here. According to reports:

Officials said that 12 of the rifles found in the gunman’s suite were outfitted with bump stocks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/business/bump-stocks.html

Are folks suggesting that we're being lied to by the Clark County Sherriff's Department and by the FBI about the number of rounds fired?

If so, then anyone who was asleep when this heinous attack occurred - let me tell you - I heard the gunfire recorded on the victims' cell phones in the earliest news reports.

ETA: It was no lie. It was real. It was terrifying - especially to those who experienced it firsthand.

Of course all those bullets were fired. I'm not denying that. I could hear them with my own ears. But 3,000 - 4,000 empty bullet casings would leave a HUGE mess. They'd be all over the carpet. You'd be lucky to see the carpet. There would be piles of them. All I see in the photos are random bullet casings scattered on the floor next to the body and the guns. What happened to the rest of them? That's a valid question as far as I'm concerned. All those bullet casings are evidence and they're no where to be found. They're missing. If the authorities took them, why didn't they take all of them. Did someone throw them out? I doubt it. Nobody in law enforcement will address that question. That's strange and makes me suspicious. Did anyone check the other floors to see if someone was shooting from there? That would account for the missing bullet casings. Things just don't disappear into thin air. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means but when I see something like this that that needs to be addressed, and everyone refuses to answer or ignores it, I have to bring it up. If it angers some people, so be it. I could care less because I'm trying to find the truth, not please the people who already have their mind made up.

 

[CARIIS]

Of course all those bullets were fired. I'm not denying that. I could hear them with my own ears. But 3,000 - 4,000 empty bullet casings would leave a HUGE mess. They'd be all over the carpet. You'd be lucky to see the carpet. There would be piles of them. All I see in the photos are random bullet casings scattered on the floor next to the body and the guns. What happened to the rest of them? That's a valid question as far as I'm concerned. All those bullet casings are evidence and they're no where to be found. They're missing. If the authorities took them, why didn't they take all of them. Did someone throw them out? I doubt it. Nobody in law enforcement will address that question. That's strange and makes me suspicious. Did anyone check the other floors to see if someone was shooting from there? That would account for the missing bullet casings. Things just don't disappear into thin air. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means but when I see something like this that that needs to be addressed, and everyone refuses to answer or ignores it, I have to bring it up. If it angers some people, so be it. I could care less because I'm trying to find the truth, not please the people who already have their mind made up.

has anyone seen any bullets on the ground outside ? Where do 1000s of shiney bullets go

lots of folks that like guns here - if you fired two thousand bullets in your background would your yard look different than before you did that

Might your wife direct you to a serious cleanup !

if you did not for some reason pick them up do they vanish.

global tv was crawling all over the place

where did these 1000 of bullets go to

its like socks in dryers -- where do they go

In the mayhem they lost what one cop ? Any paramedics

any cop cars damaged

no food service entities looked bullet riden>

how can this being keep so little datapte

 

[rsd1200]

A couple quotes from the link I posted before

Employees at the car dealership tell CBS News Mary Lou was "extremely complimentary" of her boyfriend, adding that he "saved her" from an abusive relationship with her former husband. One employee at the car dealership called Danley kind and caring, an "extremely nice customer."

The car was undoubtedly for Mary Lou, the employee confirms.


http://www.ktvn.com/story/36533966/stephen-paddock-bought-hyundai-from-dealership-near-atlantis


If true, that’s a very awkward convo to have with your car salesman

She felt she was a bit of a "kept" woman. I have felt that that she possibly was too.

On a side note, is there not any other pictures of this man? It's that same photo with his eyes closed. I mean, in the world of cell phones with cameras on them surely to goodness someone has taken other pictures of the couple, or someone's taken a couple shots of him when they visited family or friends.

 

[verbonica]

Of course all those bullets were fired. I'm not denying that. I could hear them with my own ears. But 3,000 - 4,000 empty bullet casings would leave a HUGE mess. They'd be all over the carpet. You'd be lucky to see the carpet. There would be piles of them. All I see in the photos are random bullet casings scattered on the floor next to the body and the guns. What happened to the rest of them? That's a valid question as far as I'm concerned. All those bullet casings are evidence and they're no where to be found. They're missing. If the authorities took them, why didn't they take all of them. Did someone throw them out? I doubt it. Nobody in law enforcement will address that question. That's strange and makes me suspicious. Did anyone check the other floors to see if someone was shooting from there? That would account for the missing bullet casings. Things just don't disappear into thin air. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means but when I see something like this that that needs to be addressed, and everyone refuses to answer or ignores it, I have to bring it up. If it angers some people, so be it. I could care less because I'm trying to find the truth, not please the people who already have their mind made up.

There is this article:
http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/inside-the-hotel-room-of-the-las-vegas-shooter/

"By the time the 64-year-old *retired accountant’s rampage ended Sunday night, the floor of Room 32-135 at the Mandalay Bay hotel was littered with spent high-caliber shell casings...

“You couldn’t step anywhere without stepping on dozens of shells,” a law-enforcement source told The Post. “The room was full of brass shells.”


The photos of the room really don't show the entire area around the two shooting windows.

 

[bbbd4u]

has anyone seen any bullets on the ground outside ? Where do 1000s of shiney bullets go

lots of folks that like guns here - if you fired two thousand bullets in your background would your yard look different than before you did that

Might your wife direct you to a serious cleanup !

if you did not for some reason pick them up do they vanish.

global tv was crawling all over the place

where did these 1000 of bullets go to

its like socks in dryers -- where do they go

In the mayhem they lost what one cop ? Any paramedics

any cop cars damaged

no food service entities looked bullet riden>

how can this being keep so little datapte

I don't know much of anything about guns. I have never had one never seen one shot besides on some kind of screen tv/phone/computer.

Anyways my question.. is there enough power for a bullet to do into the ground?

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[Whiteorchids]

There is this article:
http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/inside-the-hotel-room-of-the-las-vegas-shooter/

"By the time the 64-year-old *retired accountant’s rampage ended Sunday night, the floor of Room 32-135 at the Mandalay Bay hotel was littered with spent high-caliber shell casings...

“You couldn’t step anywhere without stepping on dozens of shells,” a law-enforcement source told The Post. “The room was full of brass shells.”


The photos of the room really don't show the entire area around the two shooting windows.

I'm sorry but the decor in that hotel room is ugly. What is that pole thing on top of his leg. Wouldn't he have fallen on it? and it looks like he's holding a gun.

 

[Spice]

I'm confused by the way they stated this. I know we might not have the total count on all of his firearms yet. However, 14 guns over the course of 35 years is hardly what I would call stockpiling.

Amassed a stockpile over the last year would be more accurate wouldn't it?

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He purchased 33 of his 47 guns in the past 11 months.

 

[Manterro]

There is this article:
http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/inside-the-hotel-room-of-the-las-vegas-shooter/

"By the time the 64-year-old *retired accountant’s rampage ended Sunday night, the floor of Room 32-135 at the Mandalay Bay hotel was littered with spent high-caliber shell casings...

“You couldn’t step anywhere without stepping on dozens of shells,” a law-enforcement source told The Post. “The room was full of brass shells.”


The photos of the room really don't show the entire area around the two shooting windows.

My mistake then. I can only go by the pictures that MSM puts out. The pictures I saw showed very few bullet casings on the floor. At least now I know they're accounted for.

 

[verbonica]

I'm sorry but the decor in that hotel room is ugly. What is that pole thing on top of his leg. Wouldn't he have fallen on it? and it looks like he's holding a gun.

That "pole thing" is one of the bi-pod stands (like a tri-pod) that holds the rifle steady when firing it (steadier?, can't imagine "steady").

Yep, ugly decor in the room, IMO too.

 

[Msskeptic]

I'm sorry but the decor in that hotel room is ugly. What is that pole thing on top of his leg. Wouldn't he have fallen on it? and it looks like he's holding a gun.

It's a rifle on a bipod over his leg. Also looks like another rifle under his left hand and body. He would have shot himself with a handgun.

 

[2Hope4]

Of course all those bullets were fired. I'm not denying that. I could hear them with my own ears. But 3,000 - 4,000 empty bullet casings would leave a HUGE mess. They'd be all over the carpet. You'd be lucky to see the carpet. There would be piles of them. All I see in the photos are random bullet casings scattered on the floor next to the body and the guns. What happened to the rest of them? That's a valid question as far as I'm concerned. All those bullet casings are evidence and they're no where to be found. They're missing. If the authorities took them, why didn't they take all of them. Did someone throw them out? I doubt it. Nobody in law enforcement will address that question. That's strange and makes me suspicious. Did anyone check the other floors to see if someone was shooting from there? That would account for the missing bullet casings. Things just don't disappear into thin air. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means but when I see something like this that that needs to be addressed, and everyone refuses to answer or ignores it, I have to bring it up. If it angers some people, so be it. I could care less because I'm trying to find the truth, not please the people who already have their mind made up.

We've seen limited crime scene photos. We have not seen every inch of that room. Nor have we seen all of the area near the windows. Explain this to me, "IF" shots were fired from any other room besides the one Stephen was in, then HOW did they go through the windows and not shatter the glass? Not one other window in that casino is showing damage. So please, explain to me how someone was shooting from this floor, and that floor, without leaving any evidence of a single bullet going through a window, much less thousands of bullets as I heard those gun shots with my own ears. There were many of them.

 

[RANCH]

It's been reported that Paddock might have had some sort of plan to escape. I can't even imagine what that would have been. He was 6'4" tall, and casinos have lots of security cameras. I just can't come up with any plausible ways he thought he might have been able to escape, without some kind of help.

I can't think of a plausible escape from the situation he put himself in either. I'm not sure how anyone could have helped him escape even with a large contingent of armed men.

They would eventually run into an equally large or larger force of armed law enforcement officers.

 

[Msskeptic]

There is this article:
http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/inside-the-hotel-room-of-the-las-vegas-shooter/

"By the time the 64-year-old *retired accountant’s rampage ended Sunday night, the floor of Room 32-135 at the Mandalay Bay hotel was littered with spent high-caliber shell casings...

“You couldn’t step anywhere without stepping on dozens of shells,” a law-enforcement source told The Post. “The room was full of brass shells.”


The photos of the room really don't show the entire area around the two shooting windows.

I just noticed what looks like a piece of pink notepaper, a pen and green tape on the end table in this photo. Is this the note that the Las Vegas Sheriff reported?

 

[Spice]

Of course all those bullets were fired. I'm not denying that. I could hear them with my own ears. But 3,000 - 4,000 empty bullet casings would leave a HUGE mess. They'd be all over the carpet. You'd be lucky to see the carpet. There would be piles of them. All I see in the photos are random bullet casings scattered on the floor next to the body and the guns. What happened to the rest of them? That's a valid question as far as I'm concerned. All those bullet casings are evidence and they're no where to be found. They're missing. If the authorities took them, why didn't they take all of them. Did someone throw them out? I doubt it. Nobody in law enforcement will address that question. That's strange and makes me suspicious. Did anyone check the other floors to see if someone was shooting from there? That would account for the missing bullet casings. Things just don't disappear into thin air. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means but when I see something like this that that needs to be addressed, and everyone refuses to answer or ignores it, I have to bring it up. If it angers some people, so be it. I could care less because I'm trying to find the truth, not please the people who already have their mind made up.

We have seen literally ONE leaked photo of ONE area of one room. He was shooting from two rooms and we have not seen pictures of the entire crime scene. It is difficult not to hear the insinuation in the post. I don't see anything "strange or suspicious" because I know that I am not seeing the entire photo of the crime scene and the public does not have all of the information as it has not been released. Almost 700 people were shot during almost 11 minutes of continuous fire from a weapon modified to fully automatic capacity. . I have no doubt there were thousands of bullets shot from those two windows. The only two damaged windows facing the crowd, or anywhere else on the entire building.

Also, Webslueths does not engage with or allow Conspiracy theories as the moderators keep pointing out.

 

[2Hope4]

There is this article:
http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/inside-the-hotel-room-of-the-las-vegas-shooter/

"By the time the 64-year-old *retired accountant’s rampage ended Sunday night, the floor of Room 32-135 at the Mandalay Bay hotel was littered with spent high-caliber shell casings...

“You couldn’t step anywhere without stepping on dozens of shells,” a law-enforcement source told The Post. “The room was full of brass shells.”


The photos of the room really don't show the entire area around the two shooting windows.

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[RANCH]

Do we have a reliable source for the number of how many people were shot and how many people were injured trying to escape the shooting?

 

[Whiteorchids]

That "pole thing" is one of the bi-pod stands (like a tri-pod) that holds the rifle steady when firing it (steadier?, can't imagine "steady").

Yep, ugly decor in the room, IMO too.

Thanks but if he killed himself how did it end up on top of him? Is that a gun in his hand?

 

[Manterro]

We've seen limited crime scene photos. We have not seen every inch of that room. Nor have we seen all of the area near the windows. Explain this to me, "IF" shots were fired from any other room besides the one Stephen was in, then HOW did they go through the windows and not shatter the glass? Not one other window in that casino is showing damage. So please, explain to me how someone was shooting from this floor, and that floor, without leaving any evidence of a single bullet going through a window, much less thousands of bullets as I heard those gun shots with my own ears. There were many of them.

The windows do open sideways on the lower floors of the Mandalay Bay Hotel.

 

[Spice]

Thanks but if he killed himself how did it end up on top of him? Is that a gun in his hand?

Does this mean that you do not believe LE reports that he killed himself?