NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #3

[RANCH]

But he bought 33 guns last year. It would have stopped that.

True. Do we now how many guns SP fired? Was it more than 5?

 

[Bravo]

Sorry if someone has asked before, but I just dont get the financial aspect of this guy.
Four brothers raised without father, read somewhere they were poor, he is a mailman and an accountant and then suddenly becomes an estate mogul or something with planes and a high roller in casinos. Has anyone figured that part out where this became a rags to riches story.
Is this a typical American life story or am I as a non-american missing something here?

:welcome:

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I don't think it would be possible in a single engine plane except by hugging the coast of Canada, Alaska, Russia etc etc. According to this:

https://www.quora.com/How-far-can-a-single-engine-airplane-fly

Maximum range would be 2,000 miles.

LA to Hawai'i is 2,500 miles.

Even if he hopped all the way to Ecuador, he couldn't get further across the Pacific than the Galapagos Islands.

My guess is that he planned on being able to get to Mexico and beyond and then pick up a scheduled flight to Asia, probably taking a roundabout route to wherever he wanted to end up. Maybe even backtrack to one of the Pacific nations/archipelagos and try to disappear from sight.

I don't think he had any illusion that he would ever leave that hotel alive.

 

[human]

The brother claimed they had millions of miles while the gfriend is describing him finding a cheap ticket -- incongruence alert!!

Miles are a huge hassle

 

[Hiandmighty]

True. Do we now how many guns SP fired? Was it more than 5?

Last I read, he had about 18 guns in the room? Has that been updated or expanded. He would have had to change guns often as the barrels would have heated up, too hot to handle, etc.

ETA: daily mail says 23 guns in the room.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Thanks for posting this
I came here to see what this news was about. I wonder if security was too tight for him? Although I didn't go, my husband and friends were down there.

OMG!!!! Lots and lots of teenagers attend!!

How the heck would he get all that ammo and guns there???

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Because in a hallway one can take cover, whereas being shot from unknown direction people couldn't.

Being able to take cover doesn't have anything to do with it. The point is, he seemingly would have been able to make a lethal shot to the security guard, but hit only his leg. The implication is either he wasn't a very good shooter, or he intentionally didn't kill the guard.

 

[human]

This is the myth of the exploding gas tank.

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/mythbusters-database/shooting-gas-tank/

 

[Hiandmighty]

This is the myth of the exploding gas tank.

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/mythbusters-database/shooting-gas-tank/

Was his car with the ammo in it near the tank?

ETA: is Jet fuel more unstable than gasoline? Is a jet fuel tank different than a car gas tank?

 

[CARIIS]

I wonder if he was really that good a shot - it seems like he could just pull the trigger and let it roll.

We need to find out what was happening before he started obtaining weapons in Cot of 2016

 

[zencompass]

Dear Hiandmighty,

I see what you mean about the barrel "heating up".

From article (below) : The more rounds you fire from a gun, the hotter the barrel gets and the more likely that parts of it will melt. At about 600 rounds per minute, the gas tube on an AR-15, which enables it to fire as a semi-automatic, will melt -- that could explain why Paddock used multiple guns. Since an automatic weapon like the AR-15 can fire 400 rounds per minute, this happens pretty quickly.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bump-fire-stock-ar-15-stephen-paddock-guns-deadlier/

 

[KaaBoom]

I don't think he had any illusion that he would ever leave that hotel alive.

I agree. Even if he had somehow or other managed to escape from the hotel and fly out of the country, he still wouldn't have gotten away. Every country in the world would have been looking for him. Except maybe North Korea, and I doubt even they would want him there. This was a typical lone wolf suicide mission. He knew he was not going to leave there alive.

 

[CARIIS]

Was his car with the ammo in it near the tank?

IIRC the type of fertilizer he had in his car was what Oklahoma CIty used and needed preparation.

But that tendrite stuff can be blown up from like being shot -- I think this is what was in the car and house

Tannerite is the brand name of a patented[SUP][1][/SUP]exploding target used for firearms practice, sold in kit form and containing the components of a binary explosive.[SUP][2][/SUP] The explosive comprises a combination of ammonium nitrate and/or ammonium perchlorate (oxidizers), and a fuel - primarily aluminum powder - that is supplied as two separate powders that are mixed by the user. The combination is relatively stable when subjected to forces less severe than a high-velocity bulletimpact, such as a hammer blow, being dropped, or impact from a low-velocity bullet or shotgun blast.[SUP][1][/SUP]It is also not flammable – an explosion cannot be created by a burning fuse or electricity.[SUP][3][/SUP] Because it is sold as two separate powders, it can be transported and sold in many places without the legal restrictions that would otherwise apply to explosives.[SUP][4][/SUP] The target system as a whole is the patented, trademarked product called Tannerite, although the term is often used to refer to the explosive mixture itself, and other combination explosives are often generically referred to as Tannerite.[SUP][4]

[/SUP]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite

 

[mrsu]

The questions I have surrounding the security guard are that it was initially reported that he was alerted to area by a silent “door ajar” alarm and kind of happened upon the incident. (looking for link)

If this is the case, why would the door be ajar? Most hotel doors are heavy and close almost on their own. Wouldn’t SP make a point to be sure the door was closed before he began? Did he go between rooms? Were the rooms connected without needing to leave the room? If the door was ajar (just reported again on CNN now) why did the swat team need to blow down the door?

 

[Hiandmighty]

The questions I have surrounding the security guard are that it was initially reported that he was alerted to area by a silent “door ajar” alarm and kind of happened upon the incident. (looking for link)

If this is the case, why would the door be ajar? Most hotel doors are heavy and close almost on their own. Wouldn’t SP make a point to be sure the door was closed before he began? Did he go between rooms? Were the rooms connected without needing to leave the room? If the door was ajar (just reported again on CNN now) why did the swat team need to blow down the door?

Maybe concerns rhe door was booby trapped?

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Is this a typical American life story or am I as a non-american missing something here?

I don't know about a typical American life story but it's the American Dream, surely?

 

[Dogface]

There is absolutely no difference between a fully automatic assault weapon, and a semi automatic assault weapon. They are the exact same weapons. A child could watch YouTube and learn how to turn a semi automatic into a fully automatic weapon.

In all fairness almost anyone could learn to make a bomb on the internet as well.


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[mrsu]

I wonder if he was really that good a shot - it seems like he could just pull the trigger and let it roll.

We need to find out what was happening before he started obtaining weapons in Cot of 2016

There was an article posted that stated mathematics of it all and that he had to be somewhat precise based on how the bullets would travel and fall once fired and that even moving an inch and he would have missed significantly.

 

[x_files]

OMG!!!! Lots and lots of teenagers attend!!

How the heck would he get all that ammo and guns there???

Easy in luggage. It wouldn't be hard at all.

 

[KaaBoom]

Was his car with the ammo in it near the tank?

ETA: is Jet fuel more unstable than gasoline? Is a jet fuel tank different than a car gas tank?

No, his car was in the hotel parking garage.