NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[CARIIS]

at around 4800 he indicates he is waiting

which is different than Moo the impression that everything was moving along smoothly -- and they were clearing rooms before they can do the next step

some guy in charge is waiting for some team or something

 

[prallypie]

Or maybe to use it if he had a *visitor* IYKWIM

Good point. That way he doesnt have to worry about someone seeing his 10 suitcases and their content if he has company.

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[m00c0w]

I will ask again - WHAT would the motive be for denying a second shooter - if in fact there was one? What would it change?

From a non-conspiratorial standpoint - tracking down the second shooter without them getting spooked.

 

[Gooddeeds]

After looking through more shaky youtube videos than I care to, I can't find any obvious cameras in the hallways of Mandalay Bay. There are definitely a ton in the casino itself, but I'm not sure how monitored the hotel's hallways really are.

-Thanks for looking! In the hallways... and off the elevators...are where there are usually no or few witnesses. You would think that is VIP! It is for me!

 

[CARIIS]

Or maybe to use it if he had a *visitor* IYKWIM

ah ha that is helpful my conclusions about the black line in the graphic are wrong -- he would need a bed and there is none in the big room -- I had the sense (until graphic) that there were two bedrooms !!

 

[bears10]

Copy and pasting one of posts from a now closed thread. I would not be surprised if there is not surveillance footage from the hotel hallways.

Las Vegas casinos — some of the most closely watched spaces in the world — don’t have video cameras in guest room hallways, an absence that hotel workers like Patrick, patrons and prosecutors say can act as a green light for crime.

Casino bosses say there is no need for extra security: America’s playground boasts more cameras per square foot than any airport or sports arena in the country, with thousands of high-tech lenses watching the gambling floors, lobbies and elevators.

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Yet The Associated Press found that 23 of the 27 major Strip casinos have no surveillance in hotel hallways or elevator landings. All but four of the 27 hotels are owned by MGM Resorts International, Caesars Entertainment Corp., Las Vegas Sands Corp. or Wynn Resorts Ltd.


http://www.mercurynews.com/2013/10/1...-surveillance/

That's from an incident in 2013 when a maid was attacked in the hallway. I don't think surveillance in the hotel hallways is nearly as important to the hotels as it is in the casinos. They care about protecting their money and making sure things are running smooth on the casino floor. They probably don't care too much what goes on in the hallways of the hotel. Well maybe now they do, but I don't think it was that much of a concern before this. JMO

The below link has some pics of the inside of a Vegas surveillance room. I only skimmed the article bc it's long, but it's interesting.

https://www.theverge.com/2013/1/14/3...ing-technology

 

[CARIIS]

From a non-conspiratorial standpoint - tracking down the second shooter without them getting spooked.

imo he had a fine view , as it relates to h is arsenal to do what he wanted from either ONE of the windows broken

I am just hung up on loss of time -- he planned stuff so ya get a bunch of machine guns all lined up by one window , loaded.

One overheats or runs out you bend down ( bend down time (!) approx 0.23 a sec!) pick up the next one and fire --rinse and repeat

putting one down running across the suite , , in the dark , with guns and stuff all over the floor , (trip hazard?) picking up another one , get aimed , and starting again is def a loss of time

 

[rsd1200]

If he wanted to sell his guns, he would have sold his guns. As far as i can tell, there is nothing illegal about him selling his guns.

I don't think he was there to sell guns either, but, there are folks who will obtain firearms legally/illegally, for the sole purpose of selling them to people who are unable to buy them legally. That's breaking a federal law. Can I buy a firearm off of a stranger, in a Vegas hotel room? Yes, probably. Would I? Nope.

 

[CARIIS]

Copy and pasting one of posts from a now closed thread. I would not be surprised if there is not surveillance footage from the hotel hallways.

Las Vegas casinos — some of the most closely watched spaces in the world — don’t have video cameras in guest room hallways, an absence that hotel workers like Patrick, patrons and prosecutors say can act as a green light for crime.

Casino bosses say there is no need for extra security: America’s playground boasts more cameras per square foot than any airport or sports arena in the country, with thousands of high-tech lenses watching the gambling floors, lobbies and elevators.

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Yet The Associated Press found that 23 of the 27 major Strip casinos have no surveillance in hotel hallways or elevator landings. All but four of the 27 hotels are owned by MGM Resorts International, Caesars Entertainment Corp., Las Vegas Sands Corp. or Wynn Resorts Ltd.


http://www.mercurynews.com/2013/10/1...-surveillance/

That's from an incident in 2013 when a maid was attacked in the hallway. I don't think surveillance in the hotel hallways is nearly as important to the hotels as it is in the casinos. They care about protecting their money and making sure things are running smooth on the casino floor. They probably don't care too much what goes on in the hallways of the hotel. Well maybe now they do, but I don't think it was that much of a concern before this. JMO

The below link has some pics of the inside of a Vegas surveillance room. I only skimmed the article bc it's long, but it's interesting.

https://www.theverge.com/2013/1/14/3...ing-technology

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[Gooddeeds]

You're correct. 60 Minutes interviewed some of the officers, who said he was dead when they breached/entered his suite.


[emoji202]MOO

-I noticed a concerted emphasis on the more recent reports of the wording used in reference to “before LE entered the room SP shot himself and was dead” (paraphrased). Its too far to retrieve but one of my questions was how did they know no one else had entered? And there are no details of who checked his vitals, how long (approx) he was dead, etc.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

They have to have data on if someone is wnning or losing. He had to have some major losses to keep getting perks.

Obviously he had money cuz he paid cadh for lots of stuff. I wonder how much he lost in relation to wins

There are such varying reports of his drinking. He sure couldn’t be sharp drinking.

From the way Steve Wynn explained it concerning his casino or casinos comps are not based on wins or losses but are given based on the amount of playing time each player plays at one time consistently. He said they didn't care how much money anyone spent or lost. Their main objective is to have players sitting there who spend hours playing whatever is their choice...whether slots, video poker or cards or other table games.

That makes sense to me even though I have never really given it much thought until now. My husband and I do gamble at the card tables when we go to the casinos four or five times a year staying 7-8 days at time. We have been consistently lucky more than unlucky and usually walk away with much more than we spent yet we are given comps for suites, spas, food, and even given cash. But when we do play we play for hours at a time and the pit bosses are constantly tracking the time spent at the poker table at one time.

Many times we play up to 10 hours if the cards are going our way. I am sure they do notate which section each of the players are in and they would know the high roller section players would be given higher comps than those who play table games with a minimum $10 bet with a $25 maximum bet like the tables we play.

When we go we never have to pay for our suite on the upper floors, or any food. and the drinks whether water, soft drink or alcohol are always comped. We have had wine in our room and chocolates upon arriving at times and even gifts from their gift shops. We are not high rollers by any stretch of the imagination but we do usually windup bringing much of the money we took back home with us and played on house money for the majority of the time.

We wont be home a week until they are sending us more freebies or comps.

IMO

 

[CARIIS]

Good point. That way he doesnt have to worry about someone seeing his 10 suitcases and their content if he has company.

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I have never thought that 10 15 suitcases 20 22 whatever should trigger anything for anyone.

Its a hotel- there are suitcases - for all anyone knows or cares he had 12 kids !!!!

 

[Gooddeeds]

-As of today:
Do we know anything more about the Security guard, other than the big surprise from yesterday?

-Ive had no firsthand experience with security guards, though i’ve noticed when there has been a chain of command discrepancy in other cases.
If they are part of a union what is the protocol for there participation, in substance and form?

 

[CARIIS]

-I would have to verify before saying ‘firmly’ that in order to have the adequate and appropriate insured coverage, camera surveillance is a must for Hotels and other types of businesses as well. I would think there has to be a base regulation of sorts, combined with the personal choice of what the proprietor wants or needs.
*Liability*

Humm interesting apparently there is truth in that most do not have cameras on hallways

https://www.dlgteam.com/las-vegas-hotel-safety/

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTop...ith_cameras_in_hallways-Las_Vegas_Nevada.html

 

[Rallibella]

Slate has an article up today that says the delay of police on getting up to that floor & entering were two things:

1) The stairwell door was blocked
2) They thought the room service cart was rigged with explosives

Okay, I can buy that. They didn't hear active shots and thought that there could be bombs.

I still don't get why the security guard didn't call someone immediately, or if he did, they never told police. Police are still saying they had no idea he was shot until they got to the floor. So what was he doing?

 

[Gooddeeds]

In this day and age what would be a reason not to have cameras!

I think a lot of this started with that CEO of MGM interview came out -- which most of us (were good!) found to basically be BS talking to potential future guests!

On another angle law abiding LV visitors would probably prefer there be cameras!!

Can you imagine a website:

Relax at our facilities
Its a free for all for every guest!
We could care less what happens
We are not monitoring your safety as your stroll our hallways
Next time your thinking about visiting LV-- think of us-- the most insecure facility on the strip !

Make your reservation today

Anu guests who would like to feel secure you may sleep in any one of our casinos -- you are safe there

It ludicrous and funnyt imo

-that’s hilarious!
And “forget about the Do Not Disturb sign. If you see one toss it out the broken window. We don’t use them here, they don’t apply. Too bad if your room service meal was eaten off the cart before you wheeled it in. Stay with your valet at all times, do not turn away from their sight. Jump in the service elevator if you have to”

Thanks for the chuckles, we need those touches🙃

 

[m00c0w]

Slate has an article up today that says the delay of police on getting up to that floor & entering were two things:

1) The stairwell door was blocked
2) They thought the room service cart was rigged with explosives

Okay, I can buy that. They didn't hear active shots and thought that there could be bombs.

I still don't get why the security guard didn't call someone immediately, or if he did, they never told police. Police are still saying they had no idea he was shot until they got to the floor. So what was he doing?

Slate defending police response? That's about as bizarre as the event itself.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Humm interesting apparently there is truth in that most do not have cameras on hallways

https://www.dlgteam.com/las-vegas-hotel-safety/

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTop...ith_cameras_in_hallways-Las_Vegas_Nevada.html

-I think in some instances, a few owners have sporadically put up some cheap cams just for their own personal use.

-Some high quality systems are on a timed out cycle. When they say we have to go back to review film for evidence, that can mean as little as 7 days only. This happened to a friend with a storage unit. The property was stellar in advertising 24 hour camera surveillance throughout, including entering and exiting. It didn’t help her when her unit was broken in to because she was outside of the 7 day window. Sad!

 

[CARIIS]

Lets say it does not matter if he shot 500 people first or fired 200 rounds down a hotel corridor

The real problem is how credible is it that for minutes LE was not aware that something was happening

Campos said he instantly contacted his control room

what would be a reason those guys wont not 911 instantly

according to him Le was first contacted 8 minutes later

so noone called at 959 to say we just heard a 200 bullets swirling around in the hallway -- lets give LE a ring a dingly!! for 9 minutes

Anyone heard anything from a guest that was startled when they opened their hotel room door and low and behold there are 6 SWat guys there -- that would be memorable !! imo!

just in human behavior terms what could possibly be a reason no one contacted LE ??

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I recall, thinking it was strange that the sheriff initially said the security guard hung around to help direct SWAT to
the correct room. I figured the guard must have just been minorly grazed if that were the case. Wonder if he wasn't hit at all??

Pretty sure SWAT would have been able to discern that the door with 200 bullet holes in it was the one they were looking for.

?? Why all this inconsistency??!!