NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

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Lets say it does not matter if he shot 500 people first or fired 200 rounds down a hotel corridor

The real problem is how credible is it that for minutes LE was not aware that something was happening

Campos said he instantly contacted his control room

what would be a reason those guys wont not 911 instantly

according to him Le was first contacted 8 minutes later

so noone called at 959 to say we just heard a 200 bullets swirling around in the hallway -- lets give LE a ring a dingly!! for 9 minutes

Anyone heard anything from a guest that was startled when they opened their hotel room door and low and behold there are 6 SWat guys there -- that would be memorable !! imo!

just in human behavior terms what could possibly be a reason no one contacted LE ??

My theory is that hotel didn't want to involve the police or didn't take his call seriously, but why?
I cannot tell you how many venues I worked security that would tell us NEVER call the police EVER. cover their *advertiser censored* mode.
 
-I noticed a concerted emphasis on the more recent reports of the wording used in reference to “before LE entered the room SP shot himself and was dead” (paraphrased). Its too far to retrieve but one of my questions was how did they know no one else had entered? And there are no details of who checked his vitals, how long (approx) he was dead, etc.


It becomes even more incredible considering that there was between either 72 90 minutes for just such a thing to happen ....................

From the onset I found it coo coo that there was instnat confirmation that it was one shooter?

If I am following this correctly ( as evidenced by the dispatch recorders) there were reports of bandits (!) all over the city shooting people.

But the often (for hours) the reporting is always LE is attempting to discern if there are other shooters in the area and the public is safe

His first presser in the street he declaratively knew that the only one involved was down and all is fine no worries

no lockdown on a massive scale -- they do it for miles and hours on others ............................

Considering the rampage I would think logic would dictate that they likelihood of more than one would be far more likely with machine guns blazing for 11 minutes
 
[video=youtube;OVDYMnuyUXY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVDYMnuyUXY[/video]
Interesting interview that shows a little bit of a different picture...

Finally some decent pictures of the perpetrator that arent 20 years old.
 
My theory is that hotel didn't want to involve the police or didn't take his call seriously, but why?
I cannot tell you how many venues I worked security that would tell us NEVER call the police EVER. cover their *advertiser censored* mode.


How on earth could they believe that a cop or 452 might not show up!

It rivaled the opening sequence in Saving Private Ryan !!

shh don't tell anyone -- ignore the battlefield outside- if we just keep quiet no one would know shhhhh
 
AFAIK his actual injuries haven’t been disclosed. I’m personally starting to think he accidentally shot himself (ricochet or otherwise), and he could only hold out 10 minutes or so before he became ineffective and decided to end it.
you are making perfect sense!
I'm feeling that to be the truth, and whereas I know feeling is not fact and I do try to be ultra disciplined in that regard, its hard work, but I must.
There he was, all set up for the time of his life, gets a tad over excited or powders his nose more than usual and..BANG..
It really did look like that in the stills, bearing in mind it was Liveleak and theres about several million people peddling the craziest of fear *advertiser censored* and fantasies at the moment, and its highly likely they would have both the skills to set it up and the contacts to make them seem credible.
so, all of what I have written is pure speculation, above, but trying to balance this with so few hard facts and so many conspiracy theories that the truth seems to arise as pure instinct at this point.
I work terrorism and I spend most of my online life following, reading, learning, chasing, deciphering, translating and reading reading reading, learning.
When this broke it looked as if it was Isis flavor , possibly al quaeda..
And it still looked like that for quite a while....maybe it still does..
Their gameplan is changing according to their circumstances.. we wondered whether they would possibly adapt an entirely new modus operandi, possibly hire from outside...
They have not produced a single screed of evidence to that effect, however, not yet.
Just reading so many great posts here today is an absolute joy.. still reading.. great great points, zoning in on details..Its cathartic.. the getaway car, the type of door on a floor that would require a sG to attend..
The getaway car being the diversion to get him out fits perfectly..
Perhaps he was a mercenary, and his gambling a mere cover?
 
How on earth could they believe that a cop or 452 might not show up!

It rivaled the opening sequence in Saving Private Ryan !!

shh don't tell anyone -- ignore the battlefield outside- if we just keep quiet no one would know shhhhh

The first shooting not the massacre.
Why wouldn't they call the police?! It's all so bizarre, makes my head hurt.
 
I don't think he was there to sell guns either, but, there are folks who will obtain firearms legally/illegally, for the sole purpose of selling them to people who are unable to buy them legally. That's breaking a federal law. Can I buy a firearm off of a stranger, in a Vegas hotel room? Yes, probably. Would I? Nope.

I think if we are talking about a single gun .
This could be !

But if there is anything more conclusive about his machine gun stuff -- we do have to acknowledge that schelping around machine guns and bombs while one is off to do some gambling -------

Hey if he liked fashion tons of clothes..

If he has some problems bags of viagra!

If he likes to drink and does not like tipping bottles of booze!

I have forgotten my toothbrush on occasion

apparently he did not forget to load his car up with guns, enough ammo to help out in Iraq pounds of bombs -- ?

We gotta remember all this stuff had to be loaded , by a 64 year old out of shape into his car!

Personally- I would prefer to leave my machine guns and ammo behind -- too much work to load !!

Gun people - can you find us a pic of the big things of ammo for this exact kind of machine gun tia
 
Lets say it does not matter if he shot 500 people first or fired 200 rounds down a hotel corridor

The real problem is how credible is it that for minutes LE was not aware that something was happening

Campos said he instantly contacted his control room

what would be a reason those guys wont not 911 instantly

according to him Le was first contacted 8 minutes later

so noone called at 959 to say we just heard a 200 bullets swirling around in the hallway -- lets give LE a ring a dingly!! for 9 minutes

Anyone heard anything from a guest that was startled when they opened their hotel room door and low and behold there are 6 SWat guys there -- that would be memorable !! imo!

just in human behavior terms what could possibly be a reason no one contacted LE ??

-that’s an excellent question! Brings to mind ‘who was in the control room’?
That person who received the notice from Campos should be on the radar. IMO, they are no different than a 911 receiver. Calls coming in that are vital for *speed*. Minutes, seconds...they matter.
Those calls are typically always logged & referenced in timelined detail for all officials and the general public. I’m confused as to why they are not focusing on the Starter. You can’t skip over the starter in a timeline. Within the hotel that would be Campos right? He is the one who first discovered something gone awry at the hotel. The control room being the next connecting dot...then....??

Hmmm-he may have to be quiet right now in order to protect himself. Who responded to him and was it an adequate protocol response?
 
My theory is that hotel didn't want to involve the police or didn't take his call seriously, but why?
I cannot tell you how many venues I worked security that would tell us NEVER call the police EVER. cover their *advertiser censored* mode.

I agree with you!!! It seems to me Hotel Security Office dropped the ball. LE is tippy toeing around this huge error
and not wanting the public to see the egregious mistake the Hotel Security Office dispatcher made. Can we say
LIABILITY???

Also I figure competition amongst the major strip hotels must be really fierce and Steve Wynn was getting in his digs
to knock the Mandalay. Cut throat businessman, yesirree.
 
-that’s an excellent question! Brings to mind ‘who was in the control room’?
That person who received the notice from Campos should be on the radar. IMO, they are no different than a 911 receiver. Calls coming in that are vital for *speed*. Minutes, seconds...they matter.
Those calls are typically always logged & referenced in timelined detail for all officials and the general public. I’m confused as to why they are not focusing on the Starter. You can’t skip over the starter in a timeline. Within the hotel that would be Campos right? He is the one who first discovered something gone awry at the hotel. The control room being the next connecting dot...then....??

Hmmm-he may have to be quiet right now in order to protect himself. Who responded to him and was it an adequate protocol response?

exactly!
They dropped the ball. Accident or?
 
The first shooting not the massacre.
Why wouldn't they call the police?! It's all so bizarre, makes my head hurt.


!! According to him on more than one occasion he described 200 shots --

But in his changing stuff either way -- the barrage out of the window first or blasting the sec guard 200 times -- whichever is first remains hard to understand how no one contacted anyone who could help for minutes??

I have no idea what I am saying other than stuff does not add up !!
 
The first shooting not the massacre.
Why wouldn't they call the police?! It's all so bizarre, makes my head hurt.

-What is the protocol for a Security Guard from this Union? I don’t remember the name of the union. I would follow protocol...and...I would also call LE, 911-and for myself I would have also called my family if I had been shot.
 
I think if we are talking about a single gun .
This could be !

But if there is anything more conclusive about his machine gun stuff -- we do have to acknowledge that schelping around machine guns and bombs while one is off to do some gambling -------

Hey if he liked fashion tons of clothes..

If he has some problems bags of viagra!

If he likes to drink and does not like tipping bottles of booze!

I have forgotten my toothbrush on occasion

apparently he did not forget to load his car up with guns, enough ammo to help out in Iraq pounds of bombs -- ?

We gotta remember all this stuff had to be loaded , by a 64 year old out of shape into his car!

Personally- I would prefer to leave my machine guns and ammo behind -- too much work to load !!

Gun people - can you find us a pic of the big things of ammo for this exact kind of machine gun tia

bags of viagra........hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! good one!
 
I can only speculate here - but do any of us really care if he was enjoying ladies of the night -- or gambling the days before.

as it relates to what anyone cares about is what happened in the hours leading up to the tradegy.

If he gambling or ladies of the night ing whatever -- that could be released right?

His adament refusal to discuss what happened in the hours before is interesting.

So if we rule out gambling sex drinking eating or sleeping the only thing I could think of would be who was he interacting with in the hours before ?? just speculating
 
“There was a *reason* for the delay, Lombardo said. Officers actually reached Paddock's hotel room door on the 32nd floor within 12 minutes of the first shots being fired, "which is phenomenal," the sheriff said.

What did he say the *reason was?

This is not believable to me. 12 minutes to arrive at the hotel, get geared up, go up 32 flights of stairs (which seems like a bad plan considering it was a stairwell door alarming, wasn't it?)...nope.
 
-that’s an excellent question! Brings to mind ‘who was in the control room’?
That person who received the notice from Campos should be on the radar. IMO, they are no different than a 911 receiver. Calls coming in that are vital for *speed*. Minutes, seconds...they matter.
Those calls are typically always logged & referenced in timelined detail for all officials and the general public. I’m confused as to why they are not focusing on the Starter. You can’t skip over the starter in a timeline. Within the hotel that would be Campos right? He is the one who first discovered something gone awry at the hotel. The control room being the next connecting dot...then....??

Hmmm-he may have to be quiet right now in order to protect himself. Who responded to him and was it an adequate protocol response?

OK it was a sunday night, 10 pm. Possibly the head honcho Security Mgr. was off and an assistant mgr. was in
the bathroom, and the poor dispatcher who had probably been warned not to ever call LE on her own, was waiting for
someone in authority to respond. There will be a whole lot of squirming in that security office in the coming days.
 
What would someone do if they were shot in the leg by a person? I bet it hurt. I bet he was freaked out. Where do you hide in a hotel hallway?

His key card should have opened any room in the place, right? So he should have gone in the closest room and called the front desk!
 
-What is the protocol for a Security Guard from this Union? I don’t remember the name of the union. I would follow protocol...and...I would also call LE, 911-and for myself I would have also called my family if I had been shot.

-The balls drop where dots are not connecting in most cases, right? Campos has not spoken publicly, or has he? Neither has the Union?
I recall one LE *at some point* dismissing Campos for wound check. If protocol wasn’t followed by hotel, LE or Campos himself then I can see this being a factor for the erratic timeline.
 
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