NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[CARIIS]

It took YEARS for authorities to release the footage of the shooters shooting in Columbine. What is your insinuation? Why do you think that the public is owed "video footage" before the investigation is completed, and all possible legal actions taken by victims and survivors adjudicated.

What is it that you think LE or authorities gain by lying to you or covering something up. For what? What would be their secondary gain in doing so?

I think the global response is it it is what can only be considered a basic fact .

What time did the XXXX start.

Its nomrative to have some concerns, if that can not be handled properly.


When a doctor chops off the wrong foot ppts get concerned!

 

[CARIIS]

-True, that is funny in *light* of everything!

Catchy indeed!

 

[Spice]

BBM

So we should toe the line? Whatever authorities tell us, that is the truth, no questions asked?

This says it all and is extreme . If allowing LE to do their job without accusing them of lying is "towing the line" ...okay.

I'm sorry. When the "official version" doesn't add up. I question it.
Again, I am sorry that offends you. It offends me when folks don't consider all possibilities.

The official version is not final , it is an ongoing investigation.

If you want to call it a "conspiracy theory" in order to discredit my viewpoint, that is fine. I am sorry you feel that way. I am only in search of truth.

The tone is very "Alex Jones" in nature. And the spread of rumor and innuendo about a national tragedy does offend me. It is absolutely disrespectful to the victims, survivors, and families as well as first responders and civilians that placed their lives on the line that day. This whole attitude of MSM being the "enemy" and fake news and paranoia being the go to attitude can end up being the downfall of the fabric of our society. It's tedious, its tiresome, and its dangerous.

Please link to your information and sources and videos that are leading you to believe that LE is lying and not telling the truth in this situation. Otherwise I will assume that posts like these have their own agenda, and that agenda is not allowed here.

 

[CoolJ]

Does LE have a duty of care to the public?
I'm pretty sure they would have been in bags or suitcases so you will never see them.
Multi agency cases may never see the light of day.. could be sealed forever, for the common good.

Well then let's see the numerous and quite large bags or suitcases.

Is the truth not for the common good?

 

[CARIIS]

Napolitano said that, at that point, Mandalay Bay "KNEW of the existence and presence of automatic[-type] weapons six minutes before he started killing people."

“KNEW” of the existence...

It wigged me out when there computers discovered that his car had been taken out and his room key indicated that someone entered his room

Gave me the chills

That is the question the female was asking about it when he went off , cut her off , and never came back to her...................

 

[bears10]

Whoa whoa. Nobody said anything about releasing anything before the investigation is complete. I am merely asking to keep an open mind because what is being sold to us right now does not add up.

I posted on the first page of thread 1 for this tragedy. I have since been intensely studying this case from a variety of sources and I am just telling you what makes sense to me. Why are you trying to discredit my opinion?

I mean you literally said

Where are the videos of Paddock inside Mandalay?

and...


All I want is to see are videos of him bringing dozens of rifles and hundreds of pounds of ammunition into Mandalay.

Does LE owe the public the truth?

 

[CoolJ]

Of course ask questions. But it’s been a week. To say SP is a pasty bc LE isn’t releasing footage of the movements of the most deadly mass shooter in US history is unreasonable

Then, at this point in time, it is also unreasonable to say he is the perp.

 

[CARIIS]

Well then let's see the numerous and quite large bags or suitcases.

Is the truth not for the common good?

That is actually a very good idea Cool!

I still wish I could get some idea how heavy machine guns tripods and a haul of ammunition that troops over there are envious of !!

 

[Ambitioned]

Of course ask questions. But it’s been a week. To say SP is a pasty bc LE isn’t releasing footage of the movements of the most deadly mass shooter in US history is unreasonable

I didn't say he was a patsy but I'm not going to attack another poster for wondering it. I think it's an elitist attitude to tell them they have to gobble up whatever the media spoonfeeds them.

 

[m00c0w]

To me a conspiracy is having alien lizards beam down and shoot then beam back up.

The way I see it, we just don't have all the information yet. So to wonder if someone is a lone shooter or patsy is not out of the realm of discussion what with the information and timeline changing. Not to mention the FBI guy breathing down the Sheriff's neck.

After all, There have been many books and documentaries on whether Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone shooter or patsy.

JMO.

The FBI has been goading individuals for years now to commit terrorist acts against civilians and then swooping in to save the day, and arresting the individual for terrorist acts. Sometimes they're not successful in the second part to that, and the people manage to slip by and cause actual harm. We just learned earlier this year that this very thing happened in Garland, TX, two years ago. It would have never been discovered if court records weren't made available to the public and a MSM source caught wind of it.

If you said "I feel like the Garland shooters were put up to this by the feds, and I bet a fed was even there with them right before the shooting and bailed when he got the first chance", at any point before the court records came out, you'd be a "conspiracy theorist". Except, you'd have also been right. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

 

[bears10]

Well then let's see the numerous and quite large bags or suitcases.

Is the truth not for the common good?

You just said you don’t expect LE to release anything before the investigation is complete. Why are you now demanding to see bags or whatever SP used to carry the weapons?

 

[CoolJ]

BBM



The tone is very "Alex Jones" in nature. And the spread of rumor and innuendo about a national tragedy does offend me. It is absolutely disrespectful to the victims, survivors, and families as well as first responders and civilians that placed their lives on the line that day. This whole attitude of MSM being the "enemy" and fake news and paranoia being the go to attitude can end up being the downfall of the fabric of our society. It's tedious, its tiresome, and its dangerous.

Please link to your information and sources and videos that are leading you to believe that LE is lying and not telling the truth in this situation. Otherwise I will assume that posts like these have their own agenda, and that agenda is not allowed here.

My agenda is finding out the truth. How about me and you, we just agree to disagree. I ain't opening your mind.

 

[CoolJ]

You just said you don’t expect LE to release anything before the investigation is complete. Why are you now demanding to see bags or whatever SP used to carry the weapons?

Demanding? Wowzers.
I am offering a viewpoint.

 

[ohreally]

Jason Aldean, Eric Church, Sam Hunt, Lauren Alaina, Big & Rich, Lee Brice, Maren Morris and Jake Owen were all on the bill for the three-day, sold-out festival at Las Vegas Village, which attracted 25,000 guests a day to the same event last year.
The 15-acre plot near Luxor and Mandalay Bay is one of two open-air venues on the Strip owned by MGM Resorts International.

Country fans are these big acts??

In its inaugural year, when Aldean, Blake Shelton and Miranda Lambert headlined, the event lured 30,000 fans to a parking lot that had been converted into a festival space.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...e-shooting-festival-1506963143-htmlstory.html

Yes these are some of the biggest current names in country music.

 

[fred&edna]

Now there's Campos and a "maintenance man" on the 32nd floor


He told KNPR, a local NPR affiliate, that Campos went up to the 32nd floor to investigate a door alarm. While on the 32nd floor, he found that a stairwell door was jammed and radioed down to maintenance.

Campos heard a drilling sound and thought it was odd. A maintenance worker came up to the 32nd floor. As the pair started talking, Paddock began firing through the door of his room, first with a single-fire gun and then with a rapid-fire rifle.

http://www.newsweek.com/who-jose-campos-mysterious-las-vegas-guard-center-timeline-mishap-681898

 

[Ambitioned]

That is actually a very good idea Cool!

I still wish I could get some idea how heavy machine guns tripods and a haul of ammunition that troops over there are envious of !!

Well I don't know what all was used but an Armalite AR-15 is 7 pounds. The tripod would be heaver

 

[Spice]

I didn't say he was a patsy but I'm not going to attack another poster for wondering it. I think it's an elitist attitude to tell them they have to gobble up whatever the media spoonfeeds them.

Elitist.

Gobble up whatever the media spoonfeeds.

Just wow.

Reliable sources are important. Those with credibility will retract any errors in reporting. And I am not spoonfed. I believe in letting facts come out and because I do not make ridiculous assumptions and demands 7 days into an investigation and approach every change with a lens of paranoia does not make me spoonfed, nor does it make me Elitist. It just makes me wary of the constant stream of fake news, hoaxes, and unreasonable distrust in mainstream media that tends to go along with it. I prefer to be informed.

 

[kiddynamitephilly]

I’ve followed a few recent cases on this site. All have been filled with speculation and hypothetical theories. People on the web trying to figure it out. When things dont add up we ask questions. I dont think any of this is conspiracy driven. No one is calling false flag or crisis actor or deep state. It is completely plausible that LE is under intense pressure from the ultra weathy powers that be who run las vegas to make sure whats becoming clear case of ball dropping by MB is presented in a certain way. That is not a conspiracy that is being realistic. Narratives are shaped.

 

[Ambitioned]

I’ve followed a few recent cases on this site. All have been filled with speculation and hypothetical theories. People on the web trying to figure it out. When things dont add up we ask questions. I dont think any of this is conspiracy driven. No one is calling false flag or crisis actor or deep state. It is completely plausible that LE is under intense pressure from the ultra weathy powers that be who run las vegas to make sure whats becoming clear case of ball dropping by MB is presented in a certain way. That is not a conspiracy that is being realistic. Narratives are shaped.

BBM -- Completely agree!

 

[bears10]

I’ve followed a few recent cases on this site. All have been filled with speculation and hypothetical theories. People on the web trying to figure it out. When things dont add up we ask questions. I dont think any of this is conspiracy driven. No one is calling false flag or crisis actor or deep state. It is completely plausible that LE is under intense pressure from the ultra weathy powers that be who run las vegas to make sure whats becoming clear case of ball dropping by MB is presented in a certain way. That is not a conspiracy that is being realistic. Narratives are shaped.

IMO if they were under a lot of pressure from
The wealthy powers and they were concerned about friction, they wouldn’t have released the info about the security guard being shot before the massacre.

If the FBI is under pressure to present in a certain way the narrative of the worst mass shooting in the US, bc of the wealthy Las Vegas casino owners, then we have much bigger problems than just a mass shooting.