NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

[Ambitioned]

Does anybody have any idea what the blue tube thingy in this and also this article was about?

I thought a tube to gerry rig some gas mask

 

[CARIIS]

Yes, that's been repeated numerous times in the news media. Both Campos and Schuck were alerted about something going on with a door/alarm on the 32nd Floor. It may have been when Paddock was bolting the fire door closed.




Schuck mentions in his interview that he could hear the sound of someone drilling when he got to the floor. He was called when someone alerted him about a fire door not opening.

[video=youtube;khtcXWpetTQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khtcXWpetTQ[/video]

they have reported the issue for response at one point as locked door they then changed that to door ajar

they are opposites

which was it

 

[kittythehare]

I think i do understand how so many got to the conclusion that there is one shooter .

We always consider sources -- in this instance however, the source has been caught dozens of times not telling the truth with what is known , coming up with conclusions that way to fast.

The same holds true for folks that say the investigation takes time imo his adamant conclusion that it was sole shooter instantly ought to fall under the same amount of scrutiny

it gets really bad if you go back to his presser when he was out in the street the first time -- horrible

it does not help that he is dense -- and cant process a question that is a complex question with two notions in one breath

dozens of times he had to have questions repeated , had to have questions broke down into little bites - so my faith in him to come to conclusions is really pretty shot

he ain't imo all that bright looks for simple answers to very complex things

the size of the area in and of itself should have prevented him (if he was sharp) to avoid solving the whole thing within 24 hours

I'm still with the one shooter theory, but I have no clue, actually whether there were 1 or a dozen..
I DID think they declared the single shooter proclamation earlier than they could have been sure..
Sure they could identify him fast, he was a known guest and not disfigured into unrecognisable post mortem. Not rocket science..
But they had not had time to fully check out either his devices or contacts before they stated that.
I dont recall the time or the interval but recall feeling quite astounded at the time..
then ISIS claimed.

BUT at the outset it did appear to be a massive terror attack.
Look back on the footage of orlando, London Bridge, London mosque- this was a much tinier response in terms of manpower, choppers, anti terror police feds etc etc etc..
they're always buzzing around the periphery when emt staff, forensics people and bomb squads are doing the rounds inside..

I am writing this and I do read all your posts.. and I am feeling a massive resistance to the words I am writing.. Even though they're the truth

Many bizarre events occur following a major event
- the Mateens' home an open exhibition for all the journalists..
-the dredging of the lake several months later looking for a Mateen hard drive
- the open appleiphone saga..
The event itself is sickening, even for observers like us
The absurd nonsense that follows is equally sickening, if not more so..

I have been in this storm before, flailing, bUT seeking salvation in the answers I felt sure and certain were forthcoming.

They never arrived.
It hardens one.

This will play out the way they choose to play it out.
We are all victims.

 

[CARIIS]

I'm sure it did look like Swiss cheese in the area he shot through. Have you ever shot a gun? I have. Unless my target is throughout the entire door, I'm not going to shoot out the entire door. Have you ever seen a movie where people are shooting automatic weapons? They brace the weapon, at the waist or on the shoulder, and they may swing side to side, but they aren't swinging the gun up and down unless they have targets up above and below (which would be a really rare position to be in). I'm simply explaining how the door would look if I or anyone I know who shoots would have shot at someone through it.

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Then we are left with the door only being gone on the top

why would they make the door where they would have to crawl over the bottom part

??

 

[bears10]

If there were shooters in other hotels, wouldn’t those hotels have windows blown out and evidence of shootings in the rooms?

 

[kittythehare]

they have reported the issue for response at one point as locked door they then changed that to door ajar

they are opposites

which was it

True,
Betty, that would mean that dude was drilling, shot campos or as, and resumed drilling??
Surely not?

 

[CARIIS]

This thread is moving so fast and I was distracted for a bit, but yes I thought the staircase was drilled shut at some point in time. I have 3 questions about this.

1 - How in the world could he have done this without making a ton of noise??? Those big heavy doors are likely fire/metal type door. Drilling into that would attract a lot of attention and create a huge mess. Apparently the SG 1 and 2 were both responding to the the noise of drilling in his room, so there were two separate drilling incidents?

2 - What is the point of drilling the emergency exit shut when the Police have full access through the elevators?

3 - This seems inconsistent with LE's original comment that SP had an escape plan. Certainly his escape plan was not to hop on the elevator and ride down to the main lobby and walk right out?

Our sheriff stated that the drilling project was not completed

 

[kittythehare]

Then we are left with the door only being gone on the top

why would they make the door where they would have to crawl over the bottom part

??

For photographs of the bullet entries or exits.. probably kicked in top half it was probably smashed from drilling shooting and peeking out..or in.

 

[canadiangirl]

According to google the closest parts of the MB and Bellagio properties is two long blocks. Paris hotel is across the street from the Bellagio. Considering I
There were 22,000 people at the concert and those along the way that were effected I would think that there was mass confusion and noises at those hotels.
I would think the gun shots from the MB would of been heard two long blocks away. IMO

Have you been to Vegas? These are not city blocks were talking. Bellagio and Paris are midstrip.. Maps make it all look close. There are miles between them. I'm guessing at least 2 miles and the gunshots were filmed being heard inside these hotels.

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[Iona]

I'm still with the one shooter theory, but I have no clue, actually whether there were 1 or a dozen..
I DID think they declared the single shooter proclamation earlier than they could have been sure..
Sure they could identify him fast, he was a known guest and not disfigured into unrecognisable post mortem. Not rocket science..
But they had not had time to fully check out either his devices or contacts before they stated that.
I dont recall the time or the interval but recall feeling quite astounded at the time..
then ISIS claimed.

BUT at the outset it did appear to be a massive terror attack.
Look back on the footage of orlando, London Bridge, London mosque- this was a much tinier response in terms of manpower, choppers, anti terror police feds etc etc etc..
they're always buzzing around the periphery when emt staff, forensics people and bomb squads are doing the rounds inside..

I am writing this and I do read all your posts.. and I am feeling a massive resistance to the words I am writing.. Even though they're the truth

Many bizarre events occur following a major event
- the Mateens' home an open exhibition for all the journalists..
-the dredging of the lake several months later looking for a Mateen hard drive
- the open appleiphone saga..
The event itself is sickening, even for observers like us
The absurd nonsense that follows is equally sickening, if not more so..

I have been in this storm before, flailing, bUT seeking salvation in the answers I felt sure and certain were forthcoming.

They never arrived.
It hardens one.

This will play out the way they choose to play it out.
We are all victims.

Great Post!!

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[CARIIS]

I believe the in room camera ended up being a baby moniter

I heard that intially they erased that
from the story

the inside camera was never stated again only the two on the cart and the peephole

those were repeated all the time

 

[Betty P]

-A massive property would have a surround-sound (visual) surveillance room, literally. In my opinion it is a LIVE-WIRE nerve center. They can’t depend on one lone SG they can see in just a single frame to check out the kajillion square feet of the massive property. Until we get the info on the “manually” phoned in call by the SG there is little to start with. Whoever the service provider is for the hardwired phone system at MB should be able to give supporting evidence.

Maintenance engineer Stephen Schuck was there within a few minutes of Campos. There is a recording of his communication to his boss about shots being fired. Gives location of the room.

http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-...dress-shifting-timeline-of-1-october-shooting

That should have been enough information.

 

[kittythehare]

I thought a tube to gerry rig some gas mask

wOW.
That makes
sense..
Serious pre planning..
But so much untidiness..

So this dude buys into the tawdry and cheap freebie culture of the casinos.. like a greedy kid, a cheapskate.. why do these rewards please him so much? (Referring to interview with family where they describe being his guest, at a freebie)

He could well afford to buy all that stuff without feeling even a pinch..

I'm kind of foundering here
the meticulous planner
the dishevelled appearance (not cheap clothes, just worn very loosely, like someone who suffered from clothes being in close proximity to his body)
the wealth
the business accumen
the financial training
the hard work when he was earning, flipping properties, being his own landlord, managing tenants etc

Strange creature...

 

[CARIIS]

This just seems ridiculous to me. We have listened to the radio transmissions. So do we believe Mandalay account or the radio transmissions?

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I think the hotel getting out that it has quesions still about the timeleine is identicl to the Sheriff lie about it

murk it up

each thing has an agenda one for LE one for hotel

i am confident the crisis people said lets
get this on the record we can mess it up court

the murkier the water the harder it is to see while trying to see !

 

[bears10]

I heard that intially they erased that
from the story

the inside camera was never stated again only the two on the cart and the peephole

those were repeated all the time

Can you post a source that talks about peephole camera and room service cart camera but excludes the in room camera?

 

[CARIIS]

I do believe that people at the festival or near truly believe that there was more than one shooter because of sounds. On August 27th in Vegas hundreds of people were running away from what they thought was gun fire. There was not a gunshot. Something fell and made the sound of what people thought was gunfire.

Actually the taxi driver tape is what moved me to more than one

one sounds like shots like right on top of her car

the difference in volume is startling

at the same time however you can hear the other one in the background going

 

[bears10]

Maintenance engineer Stephen Schuck was there within a few minutes of Campos. There is a recording of his communication to his boss about shots being fired. Gives location of the room.

http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-...dress-shifting-timeline-of-1-october-shooting

That should have been enough information.

Thanks for this. I rarely get to watch videos or listen to recordings so I’m glad I got to hear this and see the interview this morning

 

[m00c0w]

No more mention of Campos on Hannity... hmmmmmmmmm...

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

No more mention of Campos on Hannity... hmmmmmmmmm...

What m00??
Did he appear on Hann*ty at all?
This was suppose to be a big interview!

What??????

 

[bears10]

What m00??
Did he appear on Hann*ty at all?
This was suppose to be a big interview!

What??????

Not yet. But there’s still 45 min