NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #6

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So no idea what their motive would be for lying. I want to know what the supposed agenda would be here.

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You are asking us to make assumptions. That is what a conspiracy theory is. All that is being pointed out is that things are not adding up and haven't since day 1. If you cannot see that, I am sorry.

Like i said, what this is about is some believe what is said by authorities without question and some do not. Some of us question things when they are not making sense.
 
I read it and clearly there's a disconnect somewhere.
Are their cameras or not? Pretty simple but even that is unclear here

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I don't recall MB ever saying there don't have security cameras. The thing about security is no hotel or business publishes or announces the exact location of security cameras that are most often their hidden. Doing so would counter the purpose of security cameras including the function of security surveillance which is to monitor their premises, unseen. The resort remains open for business.
 
Breaking in here to say that those who are following Sherin Mathew disappearance need to check the thread. It appears there is some serious activity on this case at the moment.

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And here, once again, is the link i provided which led me to believe it is POSSIBLE there COULD be cameras in the hallways at MBay:

"Surveillance footage shows that she and Gonzalez shared an elevator; both exited on the eighth floor. Anderson entered her room, shut the door behind her, and went to sleep."

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/nv-supreme-court/1715975.html

"Surveillance footage shows that she and Gonzalez shared an elevator; both exited on the eighth floor."

This is where the surveillance stopped, when the elevator doors closed. The next sequence of events were not recorded, unless one believes her room was also equipped with cameras, in which case defendant's guilt would have been without question.

"Anderson entered her room, shut the door behind her, and went to sleep.

"Later, Anderson woke up vomiting and felt someone wiping her face with a washcloth. She realized a uniformed man, later identified as Gonzalez, was in her room. Gonzalez raped Anderson. He immediately left the room when Anderson oriented herself. Anderson called the front desk, and Mandalay security interviewed Gonzalez after finding him on the eighth floor. He admitted to entering room 8916 but claimed he only entered to sweep up broken glass that was in the hallway and underneath the room's door. "

The cameras only recorded them getting on and off the elevator via camera inside the elevator and in lobby.
IMO BEM
 
You are asking us to make assumptions. That is what a conspiracy theory is. All that is being pointed out is that things are not adding up and haven't since day 1. If you cannot see that, I am sorry.

Like i said, what this is about is some believe what is said by authorities without question and some do not. Some of us question things when they are not making sense.

I don't see it that way. Assuming that LE is lying and or covering up i.e.; "things are not adding up" to outright deceive the public and victims, survivors, and their families, is a wild assumption in and of itself and is exactly what conspiracy theories are rooted in.

vmmking is asking what those that believe "things are just not adding up" mean by that, and in turn, what LE's motivation would be to purposefully engage in a coverup or a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public?

So to piggyback on VMMKING's question to the insinuation that things are just not right...What would their motivation be?
 
You are asking us to make assumptions. That is what a conspiracy theory is. All that is being pointed out is that things are not adding up and haven't since day 1. If you cannot see that, I am sorry.

Like i said, what this is about is some believe what is said by authorities without question and some do not. Some of us question things when they are not making sense.

Last news conference we were informed the investigation is still ongoing.

Prior to the conclusion, there's going to huge pieces missing. It'd be like reading only the first and last chapter of a book, wondering why the ending doesn't make sense. Patience is a virtue.
 
I've said this before.. It is a well known fact LE lies for their own agenda in investigations. Whether it be to bring out someone in hiding, whatever the case. They are not always forthcoming and skew facts for their own agenda. Jmo

ETA. We will keep you safe, tell us what you know lol

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I disagree that "it's a well known fact LE lies for their own agenda in investigations". They've been known to drop red herrings that only the perp has the ability to detect, but blatantly misinform the public, that's lite years away. I have seen this type of statement made over and over, yet not one person can give an example. Can you?
 
The reality is if they want to find out the truth they can. The notion that sound wave analysis, speed of bullets, and speed of sound, and speed of light are all these CT things are silly.

How did we get to the moon? How are jetliners designed> Rockets .

this is no different the notion that one two or eight shooters cant be determined is not fact.

They have been able to determine where a shooter or shooters were for some time . Its math

Well what is different is they probably wont do it !!

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http://assets.nydailynews.com/polop...en/derivatives/article_750/laser12n-9-web.jpg
 
The reality is if they want to find out the truth they can. The notion that sound wave analysis, speed of bullets, and speed of sound, and speed of light are formulas .

This is no different

Well what is different is they probably wont do it !!

laser12n-9-web.jpg


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polop...en/derivatives/article_750/laser12n-9-web.jpg
We don't know that they won't do it, so WHY are we zinging them on something "they probably won't do" when we have no evidence that they probably won't do it?

By the way, I never saw your answer to my question about whether or not the video you referenced is allowed to be discussed here per WS rules and TOS.

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Last news conference we were informed the investigation is still ongoing.

Prior to the conclusion, there's going to huge pieces missing. It'd be like reading only the first and last chapter of a book, wondering why the ending doesn't make sense. Patience is a virtue.

So if we go with this notion - investigation is still ongoing. - it then becomes we certainly can not state that there was only one shooter.

investigation is still ongoing.
 
So if we go with this notion - investigation is still ongoing. - it then becomes we certainly can not state that there was only one shooter.

investigation is still ongoing.

Exactly. Only one shooter is an assumption made not based on fact, but what authorities are telling us. We get to choose what we believe. And if it doesn't add up, i choose not to believe it yet. Don't know why folks are so adamant to try and discredit that viewpoint.
 
So if we go with this notion - investigation is still ongoing. - it then becomes we certainly can not state that there was only one shooter.

investigation is still ongoing.
We cannot discuss evidence not verified by LE or reported by MSM.

I don't understand why this is so hard.

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So if we go with this notion - investigation is still ongoing. - it then becomes we certainly can not state that there was only one shooter.

investigation is still ongoing.

The investigation will be ongoing for some time. As of right now, LE has repeatedly asserted that based on the evidence that they have, they believe that there was one shooter. So right now, we can certainly state that based on the facts and not conspiratorial theories, there is one shooter. If that changes, and I doubt it will, and it is stated as fact by MSM and LE , then I guess we can then discuss the second shooter.

Until then, discussing a second shooter, is the equivalent of discussing a Unicorn.
 
I don't understand what's going on in this thread. In other threads, when someone is reminded of the rules and told "you can't sleuth this person," or "that's off limits," people apologize for not knowing or not remembering and move on. Here, no many how many times it's mentioned by members and mods, within a few hours it starts happening again.

Just a suggestion here - maybe we should all read through the rules and TOS again before posting. I did so a couple of nights ago. I am sure I will still make mistakes from time to time, but I will try to be gracious about it when reminded and attempt to abide by the rules and move on.

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We cannot discuss evidence not verified by LE or reported by MSM.

I don't understand why this is so hard.

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Its hard because some of us legitimately believe we are not being told the full story. It is extremely frustrating for some of the victims as well, because they feel like they're being told a narrative that is something very different than what was their actual experience.

It doesn't have to be an argument. I respect and understand your viewpoint. Can you return that favour?
 
Its hard because some of us legitimately believe we are not being told the full story. It is extremely frustrating for some of the victims as well because they feel like their being told the truth is something different that what was their actual experience.

It doesn't have to be an argument. I respect and understand your viewpoint. Can you return that favour?

Have you spoken to actual victims of this national tragedy?
 
Its hard because some of us legitimately believe we are not being told the full story. It is extremely frustrating for some of the victims as well, because they feel like they're being told a narrative that is something very different than what was their actual experience.

It doesn't have to be an argument. I respect and understand your viewpoint. Can you return that favour?
Yes, but I am simply asking others to abide by the rules so we don't waste our time arguing about things that are only going to be deleted anyway. Plus, it's just not respectful to the mods and other members when people repeatedly break the rules.

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I don't see it that way. Assuming that LE is lying and or covering up i.e.; "things are not adding up" to outright deceive the public and victims, survivors, and their families, is a wild assumption in and of itself and is exactly what conspiracy theories are rooted in.

vmmking is asking what those that believe "things are just not adding up" mean by that, and in turn, what LE's motivation would be to purposefully engage in a coverup or a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public?

So to piggyback on VMMKING's question to the insinuation that things are just not right...What would their motivation be?


money money and then money followed by money because of money

follow the money and all ones questions will be answered!

Thus far zip

The dudes net worth can be determined in half a month by 100 FBI agents

The dept of Treasury has its own department of forensic money trials

IMo they can never reveal this.

Pure speculation -- he was laundering money from illegal gun sales .

It is perfect. The hotel receives a dash of money for facilitating the operation , Janet Air is right across the street.

I just don't think mass killers arrange their magazines of ammunition in nice little pretty presentation piles.

Marketing is everything.

Mass shooters are putting two chairs together to make a nice little pretty cradles for weapons that kill.

Speculating - I think it might have been a sting that went very wrong, moo speculating like we do here.

But after entertaining the possibility (it isonly a possibility -- speculation ) that a group of of bad people immersed themselves in an active shooter exercise that makes it all the more confusing .

Buy some little bright yellow vests and yor in.

But with just that possibility then it gets realy complicated.

We all certainly know that our govt engages in lots of black op stuff -- that is not some crazy CT-- that fact.

The Patriot act stuff.

All of this tho is just a willingness to explore other options than what was thrown out in the first 24 hours and have pretty well gone nowhere.

I think it is just some of us , its much to early in this investigation , to say if it was a 64 year old dude , or a planned event.

At this point one thing has been established that whatever it was it was a very very organized , planned, mapped out event.

Which jmo tends to make me lean more toward an organization as opposed to a 64 year old , unfit, dude with a valium RX, who has spent hours sitting in a chair .

The only pic we have is some old dude , clearly blasted out of his mind , attempting to get a shot of booze up to his mouth.

Obviously if it was only him then we do have to say this old dude did everything all by himself.

I think it is somewhat odd that the only thing the sheriff will confirm
is that he was in the casino for hours the night before .

he won't discuss anything after that.

I would have to conclude that the final hours would be getting everything all set up by himself .

RIgging food carts with cameras and running wires etc might be seen on video .

I would think there would be cameras in emergency exit stairwells to help in emergency.

He must be pretty strong with lots of endurance to do this all by himself

moo
 
There is also the fact that the belief that the full story isn't being told is true. The investigation is very much ongoing.

The difference is, accepting that all of the facts are still being collected and under review, therefore you cannot, and will not, have the full story within 16 days (We have NEVER had the "full story" or an attack /mass shooting that fast ever in our history) as being logical and part and parcel of the process.

We can discuss the facts as we know them and wait for more to come out, as they always do.

Or one can choose to believe it's a conspiracy.

That is the difference.
 
So if we go with this notion - investigation is still ongoing. - it then becomes we certainly can not state that there was only one shooter.

investigation is still ongoing.

Because the investigation is ongoing because LE hasn't released all the details to the public. What was SPs motive remains a huge question mark.

That it's already been stated there's no evidence of a second shooter is not proof of a second shooter.
 
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