NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[bluesneakers]

It would not have made any difference to the outcome.. there was nothing that could be done any faster..

I'm not suggesting I agree with this line of thinking, it's just my best guess at their implications he's helping MGM.

What do you think people think he's covering?

 

[zencompass]

These stories, such as the following from the article (below) keep highlighting our natural instinct of humanity to immediately come to the aid of others.

We will never know how many dozens or perhaps a hundred gunshot victims were saved by men and women who just starting helping. Some were off duty police officers and some were ordinary citizens with great humanity.

"After helping his family members to safety, Smith went back onto the concert lawn to help save more than two dozen people before a bullet struck him in the left side of the neck."

"An off-duty San Diego police officer named Tom McGrath may have saved Smith’s life by stemming the flow of blood and escorting Smith to a pickup truck that carried him and several other victims to a hospital."


"Asked on Friday what prompted him to risk his life to save others, Smith said, “I honestly don’t know. I guess you don’t really think about it. I didn’t think about it at all. Once I got my nephews and nieces to safety, I feel like it’s the right thing to do, to go back and help your fellow man and woman."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/chargers/la-sp-chargers-jonathan-smith-20171020-story.html

 

[kittythehare]

I'm not suggesting I agree with this line of thinking, it's just my best guess at their implications he's helping MGM.

What do you think people think he's covering?

I dont know anymore..


we dont actually have the emergency protocols for MB hotel.. so its impossible to determine whether or not they were observed.

I imagine there is a protocol for an active shooter event.
I imagine it goes something like first responder immediately notifies head of security who immediately notifies LE.

So if Campos did actually immediately alert his head of security, he's off the hook regarding anomalies.

The problem appears to be a denial by LE or that house security were negligent in notifying LE immediately.

I dont imagine nutjobs with guns is a particularly rare occurrence in LV. I imagine many such events are de-escalated and armed security are most likely trained in these skills.
There is no way Campos could have known that whoever shot him was also in the course of a mass killing of all the people at the concert.
So, I think the problem for the hotel, if there is one, may be due to a delay in notifying lE contra to stated policy and protocol.

By fudging time of alert, Sherrif appears to be complicit.

BUT, even if head of security had immediately notified LE, certain restrictions apply to dealing with terrorists.
When police arrived, they expected 'shooters', plural.

Other anomalies probably arose from insurance requisites that were not fulfilled concerning security at the concert itself.
Something like pro rata security people, emergency response people on standby etc..
This could possibly have prevented crush injuries or other undocumented as yet injuries that occurred in the course of a mass panic.
I'm only guessing..

Other incidentals could possibly arise due to a member of staff having noticed something suspicious about Paddock and informed management who did not take action.. thats just a loose speculation. Campos could possibly be aware of this.. We dont know what the politics were within the security dept of the MB.

Its very strange head of security did not step up to the breach and do what needed to be done to reassure guests and victims.
Also peculiar that MB decided to lawyer up and shut up almost immediately- it suggests they are hiding something.
They are in any case contributing to the conspiracies as is the Sheriff by refusing to report the time his dept was first alerted.
Only other possibility is that Campos was still present when door was breached and saw something.. this seems unlikely because of his injury.

 

[everybodhi]

These stories, such as the following from the article (below) keep highlighting our natural instinct of humanity to immediately come to the aid of others.

We will never know how many dozens or perhaps a hundred gunshot victims were saved by men and women who just starting helping. Some were off duty police officers and some were ordinary citizens with great humanity.

"After helping his family members to safety, Smith went back onto the concert lawn to help save more than two dozen people before a bullet struck him in the left side of the neck."

"An off-duty San Diego police officer named Tom McGrath may have saved Smith’s life by stemming the flow of blood and escorting Smith to a pickup truck that carried him and several other victims to a hospital."


"Asked on Friday what prompted him to risk his life to save others, Smith said, “I honestly don’t know. I guess you don’t really think about it. I didn’t think about it at all. Once I got my nephews and nieces to safety, I feel like it’s the right thing to do, to go back and help your fellow man and woman."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/chargers/la-sp-chargers-jonathan-smith-20171020-story.html

Thank god for the heroes.
We don't all have the hero instinct, some of us have the "flight" instinct, rather than the "fight" one.
I am embarrassed to admit it, but, I'm such a chicken ****, when I witnessed a bomb and people bleeding all around me, I didn't stop running with my friends and family until we got to the freeway and we couldn't run any further.

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

This is the best graphic I have seen so far of the entire 32nd floor.

Image Source

Yes!! THAT is the one I mentioned seeing and could not find it again.
THANK YOU!!!!

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I actually think no matter which channel or show Campos went on he would have been treated with kindness, and respect by all of them including Hannity which has done great interviews just like Cooper and others have done.

I think at the time of the five other scheduled interviews it was simply too soon for him to be giving any interview....even the one with Ellen. He really wasn't ready even though he may have thought he was ready at the time, but he realized he needed more time before speaking out.

He has no experience in giving interviews to any of the major news channels like the five that were previously lined up. I am sure he was very nervous, and apprehensive no matter which show he was suppose to have appeared on. Not that he had anything to hide, but, imo, Mr. Campos is like many others who are just average citizens who may have anxiety knowing that millions of people would be listening, and watching his every word. Not everyone has the ability to just speak to the media without it causing them anxiety. Even seasoned actors still have stage fright and have spoken out for years or decades. Mr. Campos, was thrust into the media through no fault of his own. He seems to be a timid shy kind of man and at times he didn't even seem comfortable talking out on Ellen's show.

When more time passed, and he had more time to think about it, and even further heal from his wound... he picked a talk show host who he knew would most likely just let him tell his story without asking a lot of questions which would have happened on all 5 news site he was to have appeared on if he had showed up.

It was a totally different type of show than the five other news channels. I don't think he didn't want to go on one more than the other four. He simply did not want to appear on ANY OF THE FIVE news channels that had interviews scheduled for him, and that is why he excluded ALL five.

I wish Mr. Campos well, and hope he fully recovers both mentally, and physically. He knows all too well there is no conspiracy and/or cover up and also knows there was only one shooter. The very same man who shot him.

IMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I think people believe he's helping cover up the amount time between when he called for help and when the message was delivered and help sent.

I don't think the focus of liability lawsuits will become that of "he said/she said" and that Mandalay Bay has no records of security calls, both internal and to LE. LE most certainly has records of calls.

In addition, even minutes wasn't enough time to prevent the shootings before it began because the shooter was known to be firing down a hallway at anyone who approached.

 

[everybodhi]

This is the best graphic I have seen so far of the entire 32nd floor.

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It looks like the elevators are at the far end of the hallway, far from SP's room.

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't think the focus of liability lawsuits will become that of "he said/she said" and that Mandalay Bay has no records of security calls, both internal and to LE. LE most certainly has records of calls.

In addition, even minutes wasn't enough time to prevent the shootings before it began because the shooter was known to be firing down a hallway at anyone who approached.

I agree. That's just what I think people are implying but it's hard to know for sure.

 

[MistyWaters]

It looks like the elevators are at the far end of the hallway, far from SP's room.

Yes, and the doorway of the suite that SP was shooting from was at the end of the hall, with a view directly straight down the hall toward the area of the central elevators.

 

[MistyWaters]

I agree. That's just what I think people are implying but it's hard to know for sure.

Indeed, who knows. I suppose allegations that he's covering something up to protect MGMs liability regarding the timeline is a actually a gigantic leap forward from initial and viciously false SM stories that he was actively involved, then shot himself to appear to be a victim.

 

[everybodhi]

Union_ MGM warned Campos about interviews after Las Vegas shooting – Las Vegas Review-Journal

I take anything from the LVRJ with a grain of salt.
It is owned by Sheldon Aldeson, a competitor of MGM, he purchased it to control the content.

More Journalists Leaving 'Las Vegas Review-Journal' After Sale To Billionaire

A flood of reporters and editors left the newspaper after it was bought by the Adelson family, citing curtailed editorial freedom, murky business dealings and unethical managers. As David reported in April, one veteran columnist, John L. Smith, left the paper because he couldn't write about "two of the state's biggest players, including his newspaper's new owner."

Sheldon Adelson tightens grip on Review-Journal

It is near impossible to overestimate the depth of the conflict involved in the Adelson ownership. As a major player in the gaming industry in Las Vegas, Macau and Singapore, top donor to Republican Party candidates and now the booster of a “public-private” funded football stadium, Adelson-related stories have appeared in the R-J for years. For years, the paper has “lawyered” each Adelson-related story, given the magnate’s history of litigiousness. Now that review is being done in house, with very different results.

In this case, with journalistic practice already squarely in question – and the question of journalistic malpractice raised — the vanished principles speak to a much-lowered firewall between the new political owner and a newsroom trying to do its job fairly.

For the Review-Journal, then, the act of removing the principles is both symbolic of Adelson’s assertion of control and one with wider, immediate implications. Adelson’s own involvement in reviewing the R-J content has become a constant.

 

[everybodhi]

Yes, and the doorway of the suite that SP was shooting from was at the end of the hall, with a view directly straight down the hall toward the area of the central elevators.

Yes, but only if he opened his door to shoot and shot a straight shot that didn't ricochet off the wall.
I wonder how far the bullets travel after shooting through the heavy door?
The elevator entrances face the opposite direction of his room, so when the Aussie and his party came up, they would have needed to exit the elevator and enter the hallway to be in the line of fire.

 

[KaaBoom]

I take anything from the LVRJ with a grain of salt.
It is owned by Sheldon Aldeson, a competitor of MGM, he purchased it to control the content.

More Journalists Leaving 'Las Vegas Review-Journal' After Sale To Billionaire


Sheldon Adelson tightens grip on Review-Journal

Well, it's been reported by both the Daily Mail, and the LVRJ. People don't like the Daily Mail, people don't like LVRJ. But you have to get the news from some source.

I believe the stories, because they just make sense, and I can't think of any other logical reason why he disappeared just hours before he was scheduled to do five news interviews, and then reappeared a week later for an appearance on a comedy talk show. Something is very strange about that.

 

[kittythehare]

Yes, but only if he opened his door to shoot and shot a straight shot that didn't ricochet off the wall.
I wonder how far the bullets travel after shooting through the heavy door?
The elevator entrances face the opposite direction of his room, so when the Aussie and his party came up, they would have needed to exit the elevator and enter the hallway to be in the line of fire.

Thats a strange aspect
Dailymail has all crime scene photos.
door does not appear to have been very heavy at all.
If you look at it (the photo showing what appears to be a half door), its actually a door off its hinges and lying on its side- the shot part is not visible.. almost as if only a single panel had been shot through.. its possible he had lined up a gun on the door in advance..of his little party for himself..

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes, but only if he opened his door to shoot and shot a straight shot that didn't ricochet off the wall.
I wonder how far the bullets travel after shooting through the heavy door?
The elevator entrances face the opposite direction of his room, so when the Aussie and his party came up, they would have needed to exit the elevator and enter the hallway to be in the line of fire.

The drawing on the previous page doesn't show the doors to suite 32135 as well as others that've been posted on prior pages. They're flush with the end of the hallway, not on either side. So the shooter didn't need to open his door as bullets shoot through the door would continue straight through the hallway. My apologies if I'm misunderstanding what you wrote.

But yes, good point about the Aussie. There's various versions of his story and not all involve him going up to his room. It's possible he began with the female guest version and then began modifying his version as time went on. The other part of his story that's preposterous -- if he stayed in room 32134, that LE gave him the option of collecting his belongings from a major crime scene.

 

[kittythehare]

Well, it's been reported by both the Daily Mail, and the LVRJ. People don't like the Daily Mail, people don't like LVRJ. But you have to get the news from some source.

I believe the stories, because they just make sense, and I can't think of any other logical reason why he disappeared just hours before he was scheduled to do five news interviews, and then reappeared a week later for an appearance on a comedy talk show. Something is very strange about that.

If you scroll back through the thread here, on the morning following the non appearance, somebody shared a tweet from CBS news stating that union people had stated that MB people would not permit the interview. That was the afternoon of the day that MB contradicted the police timeline and announced it publicly. Following that, they allegedly stopped Campos from attending the interviews, it was not that he stopped himself.

 

[CARIIS]

zoned out i think some of u are still following -- some questions :

Any update on number of injured still in hospitals

Any reports on their wounds?

Any reports on prognosis?

any more first responders narratives?

any dispute of police dispatch in quotes about shooters hours after he was dead>

Anything more about the roommate/friend?

Any word on cop injuries?

any word on how he got a bunch of machine guns in his room?

Any explanation about anyone related to this has no SM presence?

Any follow up on him his owning two aircraft?

Do we know anything more about the siblings?

any explanation about why MSM left the story within 72 hours when there was not a big huge override?

Any interview with staff in the 3000 room hotel that night?

any explanation why the guy who was guarding him had a towel over his license plate -- its on video ?

just some questions

any reason why the airport was not closed down right away --hours afterward??

any information about his two airplanes?

Any confirmation of his amazing wealth?

any information - outside of his purchasing 6 guns from 4 states - any reports on how he got the other 39 machine guns?

in tim mckay they tracked down the bomb stuff - any traces about where he obtained the substance that has been used in past terrorist attacks


Is there a date and time for the next presser?

what is the actual location of the girlfriend or roommate

any information on the 100 thousand bucks?

any information of about victims being hit by what caliber stuff any difference in wound


Clarification on the Australian?

How have the hotels bookings been impacted??

Anymore on the maintenance mans life -- where he lives education marital status income

any info about first responders being offered ptsd intervention

how are first responds doing -- there were understandable first responds that were having a horrolbe time

explanation about why the airport was shut down really long afr ater?

Has LE explained how he obtained the other 39 machine guns?

Any breakdown on how many and which facilities received injures ?

FBi said anything -- in Pulse FBI guy did good?

Washington address any of this?

Anyone _know about how Eric is doing?

Is the room sti_ll closed off?

Some of you are still following any info??

 

[KaaBoom]

Yes, but only if he opened his door to shoot and shot a straight shot that didn't ricochet off the wall.
I wonder how far the bullets travel after shooting through the heavy door?
The elevator entrances face the opposite direction of his room, so when the Aussie and his party came up, they would have needed to exit the elevator and enter the hallway to be in the line of fire.

Was the Australian in the hallway? I have read the stories of his account and all I can get out of it was that he was on his way back to his room. Was he even on that floor at the time of the shooting? I can't tell from the articles I have read.

OK, I went and watched the video of his interview. It sounds like he just got off the elevator when a woman warned him. So I doubt he was ever in the line of fire. He would have been at the other end of the hallway, and around the corner.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

In my experience, almost all newspaper publishers have some influence on content, but that usually doesn't conflate with the wholesale abandonment of ethics and standards by newsroom reporters. Most print newsrooms operate on too short of a deadline cycle for the latter to be realistic.

And the warnings given to Campos about speaking to media are realistic and to be expected, especially when given to a non-media savvy "layperson" like he is. All this is meo, of course. I smell nothing fishy here at all.

From the referenced link:

Officials with MGM Resorts International warned Oct. 1 shooting hero Jesus Campos that he could be facing difficult interviews just hours before he was set to make five TV appearances last week, the international president of the union representing Mandalay Bay security guards said Friday.

“One of the MGM officials voiced her concern to Jesus that [Fox News’ Sean] Hannity was a very difficult interview, he would interrupt him, etc.” said David Hickey, international president of the International Union, Security, Police and Fire Professionals of America. “That’s one of the reasons I asked to have a private meeting with them because I was concerned about how or if it would affect Jesus’ confidence in completing the interviews that we had already scheduled.”

I take anything from the LVRJ with a grain of salt.
It is owned by Sheldon Aldeson, a competitor of MGM, he purchased it to control the content.

More Journalists Leaving 'Las Vegas Review-Journal' After Sale To Billionaire


Sheldon Adelson tightens grip on Review-Journal