NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #8

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Not being snarky. From day one I could never understand why the media was so concerned
about how he got a military base into whoever was in that room ?

Who cares? Relevance your honor?

Its a resort hotel -- the expectation that someone in resort carrying around suitcase ought to have sent off fireworks is , well just totally befuddling to me.

I dont know maybe if someone was lugging a bunch of suitcases into a Burger King or something..................

IMO its over - the story is dead - unless someone leaks IMO this is where they are leaving it .....................a tale that makes no sense whatsoever ............and never will............because it defies logic on any level

complete mystery to me.

There have been more pressers on NY tragedy already ....

IMO it is also wildly confusing to me that there seems to be an expectation that anyone is investigating anything is peculiar

IMO they're gonna get away with it ...one senior citizen fire thousands of assault bullets and does not accidently hit one thing above ground defies gravity

FBI agents are out in the public "painting"?

its sad actually

and at the end of the day it re-traumatizes all the people who saw people firing at them from places other than some high up place

moo

Thank You, CARIIS. I so agree that it’s a tragedy how these victims that witnessed multiple shooters aren’t being heard, don’t they deserve a little air time? Where is MSM on this, anyway? Why are these witnesses events being covered up? Can you imagine experiencing such a traumatic event, then being told it didn’t happen the way you saw it happen? Outright told, as in, no, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Talk about PTSD..... inexcusable and inhuman, IMO.
 
Well harrahs new orleans also has a resort fee. As does biloxi. It's like airline baggage fees..... they are just pretty standard now. It covers internet, usage of the gym facilities, pool, etc. You used to pay extra for those things and now it's built in. UT guess what.... people like this shooter don't pay the resort fees, so it doesn't even matter. Resort fees are comped with higher level player cards. It's just a mini perk of being loyal to a property.

I get Vegas or Disney or marathons or (insert thing here) isn't for everyone. But it doesn't make it bad. The "perks" I get from Harrahs far exceed anything I put in to them. So, it might seem like a scam to some, but it allows me to travel or take my chikd to a hotel with a pool for free. So, to each his own.

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-It wasn’t listed in the context of having or not having a Resort fee, because that is standard. The guest reviews mentioned it being tagged on at the point of physical check in. “If they want to charge $380 for the room just tell me in advance”. Another mentioned “the pool was closed on a certain date for winter season” and the resort fees in other locations were waived. These are reviews only.
 
Thank You, CARIIS. I so agree that it’s a tragedy how these victims that witnessed multiple shooters aren’t being heard, don’t they deserve a little air time? Where is MSM on this, anyway? Why are these witnesses events being covered up? Can you imagine experiencing such a traumatic event, then being told it didn’t happen the way you saw it happen? Outright told, as in, no, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Talk about PTSD..... inexcusable and inhuman, IMO.

-PTSD whiplash! Being traumatized back to back is inhumane. To not have your trauma recognized is a form of abuse.
 
This is a very long article, but it explains how Trip advisor works. It talks a lot about Mexico, but the point is the expose of Trip Advisor

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...juries-mexico-resorts-tourists-say/820094001/

we were not actually beatifying them.. we were merely reading the reviews in an effort to understand the workings of this apparently sub standard hotel.

But if people do not believe we should discuss the hotel and go to all kinds of lengths to divert the conversation, the work and the sharing perhaps it would be better to state your positions and reasons and we will attempt to accommodate them.
Discussing the inner workings of the hotel is neither a conspiracy, nor a strange thing to be doing at all.
Whats the problem?
 
So essentially the hotel is making their own rules as they see fit and aren't bound to follow any standards? I find that odd in itself. They serve the general public. Moo

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Hotels are not public servants. They are private companies. And yes, they make their own rules outside of what they are absolutely mandated to do by regulations. Guests are free to decide whether to book or not book at a particular hotel for whatever reasons, including perception of "too much" or not enough security. 24 out of 27 major hotels in LV do not monitor their hotel hallways with cameras, there are three that do. It doesn't seem to be hurting the other 24. Maybe after the massacre it will.
 
Thank You, CARIIS. I so agree that it’s a tragedy how these victims that witnessed multiple shooters aren’t being heard, don’t they deserve a little air time? Where is MSM on this, anyway? Why are these witnesses events being covered up? Can you imagine experiencing such a traumatic event, then being told it didn’t happen the way you saw it happen? Outright told, as in, no, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Talk about PTSD..... inexcusable and inhuman, IMO.

BBM:

How do we know they want to be interviewed? Was a victim that wanted to tell their story actually denied an interview by MSM?
 
“We do know a lot more (about Paddock) than when we started,” Rouse told the Las Vegas Sun Wednesday afternoon. “I feel like we are going in the correct direction to understand why this happened.”

Asked if investigators have pinpointed a possible motive, Rouse said he believes that, “When we’re done, we’ll have as close to an answer on the why as you’re going to be able to come to without talking with (Paddock).”

But before that conclusion is made and publicly announced, investigators need to ensure that determination comes from evidence and facts and not from speculation or assumption, Rouse said, asking for patience from the public. "It won't be as fast as people would want it to be. This isn't a TV show."

The current timeline remains consistent, Rouse said.

As with other modern mass-casualty events, conspiracy theories have been rampant online. Was there a second shooter; was it a false-flag operation, is there a government cover-up?

All evidence points to Paddock being the only shooter and "we're too busy to pay attention" to online conspiracy theorists, Rouse said.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/nov/02/fbi-closer-drawing-conclusion-motive-vegas-shootin/

When was it announced that the FBI was the lead on this investigation? I must have missed that somewhere. It was my understanding they were only assisting.
 
we were not actually beatifying them.. we were merely reading the reviews in an effort to understand the workings of this apparently sub standard hotel.

But if people do not believe we should discuss the hotel and go to all kinds of lengths to divert the conversation, the work and the sharing perhaps it would be better to state your positions and reasons and we will attempt to accommodate them.
Discussing the inner workings of the hotel is neither a conspiracy, nor a strange thing to be doing at all.
Whats the problem?

Where is human saying you should not discuss the hotel? How is s/he diverting the conversation or saying that this discussion is a conspiracy? What am I missing in this post?

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The reference to the 200 sightings of him on CCTv referred to sightings in LV, not necessarily the hotel.
It was first mentioned in an LA times article approx Oct 16 (not sure re date).
200 seems to be a common trend I've noticed with nothing to back it up lol moo

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Thank You, CARIIS. I so agree that it’s a tragedy how these victims that witnessed multiple shooters aren’t being heard, don’t they deserve a little air time? Where is MSM on this, anyway? Why are these witnesses events being covered up? Can you imagine experiencing such a traumatic event, then being told it didn’t happen the way you saw it happen? Outright told, as in, no, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Talk about PTSD..... inexcusable and inhuman, IMO.
This is exactly my problem with it as well.. Witnesses that say they saw multiple shooters, the FBI and MSM arent returning their calls they have said. Rocky Palermo did a CNN interview. He later did a follow up post that said, he was running and shot horizontally in the pelvis. How does someone from the 32nd floor shoot a man horizontally? It's a vertical drop. His story sticks with me.

Here is his CNN interview. Proof of MSM interview
Notice Erin Burnett keeps trying to say he's laying down. He corrected her and said standing still. The entire interview is just over a minute and spliced. He told her he's a hunter so that leads me to believe he has a fairly good idea about guns
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/10/04/rocky-palermo-las-vegas-shooting-survivor-bts-ebof.cnn


Here is the same man again talking about his FBI statement etc
Rocky Palermo Las Vegas testimony: [video=youtu;TLdWJV9XtaM]http://youtu.be/TLdWJV9XtaM[/video]

This is just my observation and I wasnt there. I feel for people like Rocky. Moo

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BBM:

How do we know they want to be interviewed? Was a victim that wanted to tell their story actually denied an interview by MSM?
Yep. If you do some research outside MSM many have said they aren't getting calls back from MSM or FBI for that matter

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-PTSD whiplash! Being traumatized back to back is inhumane. To not have your trauma recognized is a form of abuse.

total it has similar dynamics to rape victims and having on a short dress kind of thing..it is invalidating

what is the biggest craving a person has after a traumatic event in there lives

validation understanding etc

I was never even thinking about being interviewed

I was thinking about a victim who knows where a bullet entered there body and where they were and the logical conclusions one draws from that and turning on the news and seeing everyone saying all bullets came from the 32 floor.

I know that is not true - i have a wound injury in my back.

It is identical as saying your were not really raped.

And there were postings of anguished victims experiences being buried.

When one is told they were not really raped that is pretty damaging stuff mentally.

We can do all the eyewitness reliability questioning of eyewitnesses

that may matter when we are discussing if he the perp was 6 2 or 5 11

but in conjunction with all the other things that make no sense


In this tragedy we are not even talking about eye witnesses

We are talking sensory data --noises pressures lights visuals

we are talking about walking in a direction and seeing a muzzle fire up

we are talking about swishes as bullets go by

we are talking about - sorry to be gross the sounds of a bullet entering a body

there sensory

if you and I were standing there watching the show and the person ahead of us falls to the ground there is a swish an impact a blood splatter

if we clearly saw the back of said persons head go it is not eyewitness confussion -- it is reasonable to conclude that they bullet flew past us all from the rear which means from the back etc etc

What is most stunning however, is this being instantly perceived as a valid scenario.

Poof

The dude has repeatedly lied yet his version makes no sense

They have stuck to the identical version from 4 hours in to this second

that is impossible - look how many things are gotten wrong
in the first 24 hours of any event like this.

everytime

but for some reason this guy (who has imo not been impressive in the intellect department from first minute on) was able to determine sole shooter in hour two

ok fine (well not fine but roll with me here!) and then without further ado that is how it stands today with not one explanation as to how that conclusion was made or has been supported since.

the overhyped notion that every person alive is a CT is actually a huge problem in our society.

Some of the forensic trajectory posts on you tube are amazing

but.......for some who think everyone on YT are nuts they instantly rule them out

there is an incredible trajectory analysis on there

the dude knows his stuff

this isn't like looking through a telescope thing

these are scientific formulas that use sound waves . Movement makes noises . Things travel at a known speed , so figuring out where some object started from and ended up at is not a wild ct

It is a formula - aviation does it millions of a times a day if an object is going to be going this far at this speed it will end up here at X time.

bullets, muzzle flashes, sound at the trigger pull results in the resultant sound wave to take x to be heard and analyzed by sound waves

that is why it is called acoustic sound wave analysis

it is not like drawing some line on a map

the data is run through formulas

like x= 4.2 etc etc

although way above my head the presenter clearly outlined and explained and showed the formulas , the premises for those proven facts in terms of how sound travels , times when echos ought to be reaching there location

The scientific fact
put in a dumb person like myself paraphrase is that the noises being recording on cell phones , from all different locations within the area in question clearly indicate that starting point and ending points clearly indicate there was not

one place of origin. the only conclusion therefore , since in this instance we are talking bullets - there had to be more than one shooter. Its science -

it is the same kind of stuff as landing on the moon -- there are formulas.

Authorities got thrown off IMO -- they did anticipate that there are folks in the public that have the skill set to do the calculations.

At a very quite level the notion that a viewer can not determine if the presenter is a whack job or a knowledgeable presenter aides in one having the capability, most of the time, to come to the conclusion that the presenter does know what they are talking about

know what they are doing

are capable of explaining how it works how it is done and what the resultant data indicates

facilitate the conclusion that what the presenter discovered is valid.

We make those determinations daily.

Car mechanic

doctor

realtor

professor

contractor

etc

IMO this is not at all what they are telling the world

and there is ,if I may, one more astounding thing to this whole mess appears to be a notion that govt is not corrupt.

that LE is not dirty

that greed and money doesn't influence much

while the reality is pretty much on a daily basis we read all the time about corrupt activities by those in power

what we really have IMO is a person who has repeatedly lied , gotten caught, lied some more and is now in hiding!

VS

humans on the ground there

sound wave analysis

As this has gone on with the passage of the time -- its kinda like a ship which is standing upright but slowly starts to take on water , then list, then sink

It certainly is not like I instantly went into there is a coverup in action mode

but am jmo forced to come to the conclusion that "official" narrative is total BS -- know why?

It. Makes.No. Sense. while at the same time there is science that indicates, forgetting all the other insane stuff , there was not one shooter,,,,,,,,,,,,,well IMO my conclusions based on the passage of time .............

When I saw FBI agents using the other end of their paint rollers to slam some object in the area they were at -- that's pretty striking.

It certainly does not indicate a "searching" or hunting for a truth. It reeks , both literally and figuratively of burying.

Imo burying = hiding= to keep from view = to make go away jmo

I reached my end point (!) when , with my own two little eyes! I saw for over 45 minutes slow pans in super close up mode, in bright sunshine not one scuff on anything above ground that pretty well nailed it for me!!

The narrative gives the notion of it raining bullets

-- digress ha --unfortunately, smile please, not the incredible vocals in "Its Raining Men " by the "Weather Girls"- the final 90 seconds is some singin girls! !!!!!!! Dancefloors were smoking afterwards ha ! hey the song just came into my head what can i say!!) --


raining bullets land on stuff everywhere - they can not avoid coming down on anything above ground !!

It honestly is just that simple

moo
 
The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department and the FBI have been tight-lipped in recent weeks amid a mounting outcry from the public for more information on the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

“A full month later, significant questions remain unanswered about the shooter’s actions and the response of public agencies,” the lawsuit says, according to the Los Angeles Times. Authorities’ “blanket refusal to produce any of the records pursuant to the requests is improper, and all requested information and records should be produced without redactions.”

The lawsuit, one of two filed late Wednesday in Clark County, Nev., district court, demands police hand over body camera footage, 911 call recordings, dispatch calls, evidence logs and surveillance footage obtained from the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

“Under Nevada law, all video and audio recordings made by police-worn body cameras are public records subject to inspection,” in addition to 911 call recordings, the lawsuit says.

The second lawsuit asks a judge to unseal records related to more than a dozen search warrants filed in connection to the investigation of shooter Stephen Paddock, the Los Angeles Times reported.​
...
The Los Angeles times reported that Las Vegas Police have denied requests from media to release the records, saying the investigation is ongoing, while ignoring other requests outright.

“The law enforcement authorities in charge of the criminal investigation have publicly declared that the shooter, Stephen Paddock, acted alone,” one of the lawsuits says. “Although aspects of that investigation are still ongoing, law enforcement officials cannot credibly claim that a search for further suspects — the primary reason why investigations are kept confidential — will be harmed if these records are unsealed.”​
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/0...ficials-are-violating-public-records-law.html

Very interesting happenings.
 
1 degree doesn't leave much wiggle room does it? I am a lay person when it comes to guns and shooting, but it sure sounds to me like one would have to be a trained marksman to pull off such an attack. Where would he practice shooting at such an angle. Where would he find the time between his extensive travel and 14 hrs/day 365 days/ yr playing video poker?

It’s simple math for the angle, height, wind, bullet type l, etc. there are even apps than can help calculate this type of stuff.


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The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department and the FBI have been tight-lipped in recent weeks amid a mounting outcry from the public for more information on the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

“A full month later, significant questions remain unanswered about the shooter’s actions and the response of public agencies,” the lawsuit says, according to the Los Angeles Times. Authorities’ “blanket refusal to produce any of the records pursuant to the requests is improper, and all requested information and records should be produced without redactions.”

The lawsuit, one of two filed late Wednesday in Clark County, Nev., district court, demands police hand over body camera footage, 911 call recordings, dispatch calls, evidence logs and surveillance footage obtained from the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

“Under Nevada law, all video and audio recordings made by police-worn body cameras are public records subject to inspection,” in addition to 911 call recordings, the lawsuit says.

The second lawsuit asks a judge to unseal records related to more than a dozen search warrants filed in connection to the investigation of shooter Stephen Paddock, the Los Angeles Times reported.​
...
The Los Angeles times reported that Las Vegas Police have denied requests from media to release the records, saying the investigation is ongoing, while ignoring other requests outright.

“The law enforcement authorities in charge of the criminal investigation have publicly declared that the shooter, Stephen Paddock, acted alone,” one of the lawsuits says. “Although aspects of that investigation are still ongoing, law enforcement officials cannot credibly claim that a search for further suspects — the primary reason why investigations are kept confidential — will be harmed if these records are unsealed.”​
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/0...ficials-are-violating-public-records-law.html

Very interesting happenings.
WOW! Thanks a lot for that..
For one thing it proves we're not all going nutty here.
LE is behaving badly..
and whose bright idea was it to seal evidence at this early stage to begin with?
This is the first real break.. well done findin' it, thanks again.
 
This is exactly my problem with it as well.. Witnesses that say they saw multiple shooters, the FBI and MSM arent returning their calls they have said. Rocky Palermo did a CNN interview. He later did a follow up post that said, he was running and shot horizontally in the pelvis. How does someone from the 32nd floor shoot a man horizontally? It's a vertical drop. His story sticks with me.

Here is his CNN interview. Proof of MSM interview......

Did you notice his page set up by his friend? No surgery required, no mention of a bullet in the pelvis from an alternate shooter whatsoever. Removal of a bullet in the pelvis would most certainly require surgery but he required no surgery. Only had some shrapnel in his back. Big red flags in the contrary versions of his injuries, what's that about?
 
The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department and the FBI have been tight-lipped in recent weeks amid a mounting outcry from the public for more information on the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

“A full month later, significant questions remain unanswered about the shooter’s actions and the response of public agencies,” the lawsuit says, according to the Los Angeles Times. Authorities’ “blanket refusal to produce any of the records pursuant to the requests is improper, and all requested information and records should be produced without redactions.”

The lawsuit, one of two filed late Wednesday in Clark County, Nev., district court, demands police hand over body camera footage, 911 call recordings, dispatch calls, evidence logs and surveillance footage obtained from the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

“Under Nevada law, all video and audio recordings made by police-worn body cameras are public records subject to inspection,” in addition to 911 call recordings, the lawsuit says.

The second lawsuit asks a judge to unseal records related to more than a dozen search warrants filed in connection to the investigation of shooter Stephen Paddock, the Los Angeles Times reported.​
...
The Los Angeles times reported that Las Vegas Police have denied requests from media to release the records, saying the investigation is ongoing, while ignoring other requests outright.

“The law enforcement authorities in charge of the criminal investigation have publicly declared that the shooter, Stephen Paddock, acted alone,” one of the lawsuits says. “Although aspects of that investigation are still ongoing, law enforcement officials cannot credibly claim that a search for further suspects — the primary reason why investigations are kept confidential — will be harmed if these records are unsealed.”​
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/0...ficials-are-violating-public-records-law.html

Very interesting happenings.

-Agree!

-The basic things that are needed to determine timelines have been withheld. 911, and video cams are typically released very quickly.

“LE can not ‘credibly claim...’
“Blanket refusal...”
“Under Nevada law...”

-Good to see some of this outlined.
 
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