NY – Ex POTUS Donald Trump, sued by E. Jean Carroll, DT found liable re sexual assault, $5M award, countersuit dismissed, appeal rejected, 2023

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"It didn't happen," Trump said in the deposition, which was taken at his Florida home, Mar-a-Lago, in October.

Trump, who appeared uncharacteristically dour, went on to say that "if it did happen, it would have been reported in minutes" because Bergdorf Goodman — where he admitted he shopped "rarely" — is a "very busy store." The luxury department store is located just a block from Trump Tower.

"It's the most ridiculous, disgusting story. It's just made up," Trump said.

The bulk of the video deposition will be played Thursday morning, and Carroll's lawyers are expected to rest their case later in the day.

Carroll is asking for Trump to retract his statements calling her a liar, and for the jury to award her unspecified damages.

 
… the court heard emotional testimony from Natasha Stoynoff, a writer who has also accused Trump of sexual misconduct. Stoynoff told the jury that Trump forcibly kissed her and pinned her against the wall while she visited him at Mar-a-Lago in 2005 to interview Trump and his then-pregnant third-wife Melania.

Stoynoff at times struggled to answer questions about the incident, choking back tears and grabbing tissues. She said after a butler walked in on the two of them alone in a room at Mar-a-Lago, Trump backed off her. However, as they were returning to another part of the estate to conduct an interview with Melania, she says Trump told her: "You know we're going to have an affair, don't you? Don't forget what Marla Maples said — best sex of her life. We're going to have steak, we're going to go to Peter Luger's."

Maples was Trump's second wife and during part of his video deposition, he failed to recall what dates he was married to her.

Stoynoff said that after the incident, she went on "auto-pilot" and proceeded to interview Trump and his wife together, before returning to New York the next day. She said she told several people about the incident but didn't go public with the story until a video was leaked during the 2016 presidential campaign, in which Trump bragged about groping women. The so-called "Access Hollywood tape" was also played for the jury on Wednesday.

When the "Access Hollywood" tape came out, Stoynoff said she was a little "relieved" because it made her feel less alone to know that he treated other women this way. But on the flip side, it also made her feel guilty.

"I worried that because I didn't say anything at the time, other women were hurt, so I had some regret there," Stoynoff said, getting emotional.

After the tape came out, she said she was contacted by People to write an essay about what happened to her at Mar-a-Lago, but she says she held off, instead waiting to see how he answered questions about the tape at a debate shortly after. When Anderson Cooper asked Trump at the debate if he had ever forcibly kissed any woman, and Trump denied it, Stoynoff said she agreed to write the story for People.

"I thought, 'You liar.'" Stoynoff recalled thinking at the time. "I was just really upset that he was lying to the American people."

 
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Lebowitz said that Carroll did meet some of the criteria for post-traumatic stress disorder, including exhibiting signs of memories affected by trauma. She described a moment during her evaluation when Carroll "began to squirm in her seat" because she appeared to be "re-experiencing" elements of the alleged assault.

Just to add ....

Earlier in the day, a leading clinical psychologist told the trial that Carroll was “doubled over with stomach pain” as she recalled the alleged rape.

 
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NEW: Donald Trump will not put on a defense case in the E. Jean Carroll case. He was expected to present a single witness, an expert, but that witness is facing health issues, his lawyer Joe Tacopina says. Carroll is expected to finish up her case tomorrow.

Apparently, the expert was going to be psychiatrist Edgar Nace.

He is 83 years old, and is listed as an addiction specialist, working from an office in Dallas TX.



 
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Apparently, the expert was going to be psychiatrist Edgar Nace.

He is 83 years old, and listed as an addiction specialist, working from an office in Dallas TX.




I wonder what the defence was intending to say through this witness. Any ideas? He doesn't seem to have any expertise in sexual assault.
 
I wonder what the defence was intending to say through this witness. Any ideas? He doesn't seem to have any expertise in sexual assault.

No, the article I linked doesn't broach on what his testimony may have been.

Edgar Nace also lists forensic psychiatry as one of his areas of practice. Perhaps he was going to testify that DT doesn't exhibit specific criteria. Though, I would wonder if he actually ever consulted with DT in person.


"Forensic psychiatry is the discipline at the heart of the interaction between mental disorder and criminal behavior."

 
I wonder what the defence was intending to say through this witness. Any ideas? He doesn't seem to have any expertise in sexual assault.

Maybe he was going to say that DT is not a sex addict, so it’s unlikely these incidents actually happened. Only sort of kidding. ;-) I think I'd have "health issues" too if I had to risk my professional reputation and testify about DT.
 

When asked why he was here (in Ireland), instead of facing in person the rape allegation made by accuser E Jean Carroll, he said: "We've had a long-standing agreement to come here. We've had a tremendous reception, a beautiful reception.

"The people of Ireland have been great, and we've had tremendous success, and I hear we're doing very well in New York."
 

When asked why he was here (in Ireland), instead of facing in person the rape allegation made by accuser E Jean Carroll, he said: "We've had a long-standing agreement to come here. We've had a tremendous reception, a beautiful reception.

"The people of Ireland have been great, and we've had tremendous success, and I hear we're doing very well in New York."
He’s unbelievable. No words.
 
Thursday, May 4th:
*Trial continues (Day 7) (@ 9am ET) - New YorkE. Jean Carrol’s battery (sexual assault/rape), emotional distress & a 2nd act of defamation (for Trump's comments on Truth Social in October) lawsuit against Donald John Trump.
The lawsuit for defamation & under a New York law which allows alleged victims of sexual assault to sue over alleged crimes outside the usual statute of limitations.
Trump lawyers: Joseph Tacopina, Alina Habba & W. Perry Brandt. U.S. District of Manhattan / U.S. District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan.
Carroll has sued Trump for defamation & for rape, saying Trump turned a friendly encounter at a luxury Manhattan department store in late 1995 or early 1996 into a violent rape.
Trial began on 4/25/23 with jury selection. 9 jurors (6 jurors & 3 alternates) (3 women & 6 men). (see post #108 page 6 for jury info).
Trial expected to last 5 to 10 days.
Defamation charges postponed by Judge Lewis Kaplan on 3/30/23. Carroll's first defamation lawsuit against Trump was filed in November 2019. But that case has been put on hold while Trump argues that a federal law protects him from being sued for defamation for comments he made while president.

Case info from 2/15/23 thru 4/23/23 & Trial Day 1-5 (4/25-5/2/23) reference post #344 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...d-defamation-trial-25-apr-2023.673736/page-18

5/2/23 Update on Plaintiff witnesses: Robert Salerno, who was a VP at Bergdorf Goodman. Dr. Leslie Lebowitz, a clinical psychologist, a trauma specialist.
5/3/23 Wednesday, Trial Day 6: Plaintiff witness: Dr. Leslie Lebowitz back on stand.
for more info see posts #348 & 350 [pg 18] & 364 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...-for-battery-trial-25-apr-2023.673736/page-19
Plaintiff witnesses: Former stockbroker Jessica Leeds. Natasha Stoynoff, a former writer for People magazine.
for more info see posts #353 to 357 [pg 18] & 363 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...-for-battery-trial-25-apr-2023.673736/page-19
Lawyers for Carroll played about 30 minutes of excerpts from the former president’s deposition, including his emphatic denial of the longtime advice columnist’s accusation that he attacked her in the mid-1990s in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room.
Trump’s attorneys said they would not call any witnesses & the judge said closing arguments would likely happen Monday before the jury begins deliberations on Tuesday, 5/9/23. Jurors are expected to hear more of Trump’s deposition Thursday, followed by three more witnesses being called to the stand by Carroll’s lawyers.
Judge Kaplan: He will have the draft charge at 8am Monday, 5/8/23 & a charge conference at 9am. Then summations at 10am Monday, with a shorten lunch & get them done before we are done for the day. The charge will be an hour on Tuesday, 5/9/23 & then the jury will begin deliberations.
Trial continues on Thursday, 5/4/23. Carroll’s lawyers said they could finish their case by Thursday.
 
On Stoynoff's testimony from @lawofruby,

CARROLL, day 6: Natasha Stoynoff was a staff writer at People for more than ten years, during which she largely covered entertainment stories. Her beats included Sex and the City . . . and a newly minted reality star (and erstwhile real estate tycoon) named Donald Trump. 1/

As a result, she was no stranger to the Trump family. By the time of her alleged assault at Mar a Lago in December 2005, she estimates she had interviewed him “8, 9, 10 times,” and in locations from Trump Tower to the set of the Apprentice. 2/

But as much as her Trump origin story, so to speak, differs substantially from that of E. Jean Carroll, the elements of the alleged assaults did not. On a combined photo shoot/interview in the backyard at MaL, Melania left to change for the next shoot. Trump pounced. 3/

He told Stoynoff he wanted to show her a “special room.” And after taking her inside & down a hall, he showed her into a beautiful ball room, she said. And as she was wondering what exactly he wanted to show her, the door slammed. She spun around. He was on her immediately. 4/

She remembers he pushed her up against a wall, kissing her. His shoulder pressed into her. She shoved back, and he was undeterred, continuing to kiss her and press himself against her. The head butler then walked in and told them Melania was ready to resume. 5/

Stoynoff doesn’t know whether the butler, who had been her point of contact for her trip, saw the attempted assault. But she recalls giving him a look like, “Help me!” and thinking he recognized it. 6/

As they left, the attempted assault turned even more sickening: Trump turned to Stoynoff and said, “You know we’re going to have an affair. You know what Marla said,” referencing the infamous New York Post cover. “Best sex I ever had.” 7/

Stoynoff being physically unable to get any words out. Nonetheless, knowing she had to return to New York with her reporting complete, she went on “autopilot” and finished the interview of Mr. & Mrs. Trump. The story — celebrating their first anniversary — ran the next month. 8/

By that time, however, Stoynoff had long before confided in a journalism professor, a friend in Los Angeles, and most importantly, her immediate supervisor at People. She was taken off that beat in a heartbeat. 9/

Still, she struggled with feeling “ashamed and humiliated,” and questioned whether she was to blame because her interviewing style was more Canadian nice than American interrogator. For years after, she said the smiley, friendly Natasha disappeared from her work persona. 10/

When the Access Hollywood tape was released 10-plus years later, Stoynoff recalls seeing it almost immediately. Her reaction was one of physical disgust; relief that she had not been his only victim; and regret that by not speaking up, she had allowed him to victimize others. 11/

Still, she hesitated when higher-ups at People, who by then had learned her story, invited her to publish it. He would have to deal with the tape at a presidential debate days later, after all. She vowed to see what he said before she wrote. 12/

But when, at that debate, he denied having ever kissed a woman without her consent, Stoynoff took People up on their invitation. The American public had a right to know who he was, she reasoned.
Attacked by Donald Trump — a PEOPLE Writer's Story

Stoynoff is not, unlike some of the other witnesses in this case, politically active. She believes she’s voted only in 3 presidential elections—and did not vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016. 14/

She was also eminently credible. Days ago, asked whether she tried to influence Stoynoff’s story during an interview for the Atlantic, Carroll drily remarked, “You can’t influence Natasha Stoynoff.” Today, I understood why. Stoynoff was grounded and sure even when she wept. 15/

Her testimony was, in fact, so powerful that the long-winded Tacopina asked her only a single question on cross examination: Do you have any claim against Donald Trump before this jury? In other words, her story may be compelling, but it’s largely irrelevant. 16/

Except they know how significant it really is; it helps demonstrate that what happened to Carroll is just a piece of a pattern that spans decades. 17/

In fact, that’s why they repeatedly (and unsuccessfully) have asked to exclude her testimony. They even argued that because Trump was interrupted as he forcibly kissed her, Stoynoff was not the victim of an attempted assault—and therefore, her testimony is inadmissible. 18/

If a former American president is held liable for assaulting and defaming a quintessentially American woman, mark my words: An indefatigable Canadian will be one key reason why. FIN
 
Reports of Tuesday's testimony.



 

Donald Trump has said he will "probably" attend an ongoing civil trial in New York where he is accused of rape and defamation, repeating his denials of the allegations during a visit to his Irish golf resort.

"I will probably attend (the trial) and I think it's a disgrace that it's allowed to happen, false accusations against a rich guy, or in my case against a famous, rich and political person," the former US president told reporters while he played golf at the Doonbeg resort in Co Clare.


"I have to go back for a woman that made a false accusation about me, and I have a judge who is extremely hostile."
 

Donald Trump has said he will "probably" attend an ongoing civil trial in New York where he is accused of rape and defamation, repeating his denials of the allegations during a visit to his Irish golf resort.

"I will probably attend (the trial) and I think it's a disgrace that it's allowed to happen, false accusations against a rich guy, or in my case against a famous, rich and political person," the former US president told reporters while he played golf at the Doonbeg resort in Co Clare.


"I have to go back for a woman that made a false accusation about me, and I have a judge who is extremely hostile."

... and when the judge tells him that the time for T to have informed the court that he intended to testify has passed, then T will whine that he had massive proof Carroll was lying, the biggest proof in the world, but the court wouldn't even let him testify.
 
... and when the judge tells him that the time for T to have informed the court that he intended to testify has passed, then T will whine that he had massive proof Carroll was lying, the biggest proof in the world, but the court wouldn't even let him testify.
Exactly what I was thinking, offer to attend when it's too late.

Same tactic as offering his DNA past the time it would have been accepted.
 
He better hurry back. He is going to be in Ireland for two days.


"Mr Trump is set to spend two days at his Doonbeg hotel and golf resort, arriving on Wednesday."



And the prosecution thinks it will rest its case Thursday lunchtime.

"They informed the judge that they plan to conclude their case mid-day Thursday."

 

Donald Trump has said he will "probably" attend an ongoing civil trial in New York where he is accused of rape and defamation, repeating his denials of the allegations during a visit to his Irish golf resort.

"I will probably attend (the trial) and I think it's a disgrace that it's allowed to happen, false accusations against a rich guy, or in my case against a famous, rich and political person," the former US president told reporters while he played golf at the Doonbeg resort in Co Clare.


"I have to go back for a woman that made a false accusation about me, and I have a judge who is extremely hostile."

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Asked if this is happening, Trump’s lawyer Joe Tacopina said, “No.”
 
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A vexed Trump told assembled reporters on Thursday that he had to leave Ireland and Scotland early to return to New York to “confront” Carroll, who he called a “disgrace,” and Judge Kaplan, who he called “extremely hostile”:

“I have to leave Ireland and I have to leave Scotland where I have great properties. I have to leave early. I don’t have to, but I choose to. Will you attend the trial? Mr. President, I’m probably attend and I probably will and i think its a disgrace. It’s a disgrace that it’s allowed to happen against a rich guy or in my case, against a famous, rich and political person that’s leading the polls by 40 points. And I have to go back for a woman that made a false accusation about me, and I have a judge who is extremely hostile and I’m going to go back and I’m going to confront this. But this woman is a disgrace and it shouldn’t be allowed to happen in our country. You go to work.”
 

Trump repeated previous assertions that Carroll was a Democrat who invented the story to sell a memoir. “I have no idea who she is; it’s ridiculous. She made a claim, she wrote a book, she made a claim.”

Trump wore a Make America Great Again hat and was accompanied by his son Eric. They are to return to the US on Thursday after a three-day visit to Trump’s golf resorts in Scotland and Ireland.

If Trump is serious about testifying, it would probably have to be on Monday as the last of Carroll’s witnesses are expected to give evidence on Thursday. The court does not sit on Friday and final arguments are scheduled for Monday.

Any such move will not please the judge, Lewis Kaplan, who did not hide his irritation when Trump’s legal team prevaricated last week about whether the former president would attend the trial.

Meanwhile, the jury is expected to continue hearing Trump’s recorded deposition on the rape allegation.

The jurors heard the former president ridicule the accusation in an excerpt played to the court before the session ended on Wednesday.
“It’s the most ridiculous, disgusting story. It’s just made up,” he said.

The former president also said he could not remember when he was married to his various wives, but could find out. Asked if he had affairs while married, Trump replied: “I don’t know.”

The jury had already been shown the Access Hollywood tape of Trump boasting about kissing and groping women without their consent. They are expected to see it again but this time as part of the former president’s deposition, in which he is asked to explain it. The tape was made public shortly before the 2016 presidential election.
 

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