NY-Long Island-4 bodies on Beach-Possible Serial Killer-Dec 2010 #2

[Salem]

Please continue here.

Link to [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122551"]Thread 1[/ame]

Salem

 

[Salem]

Reposting this here:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/12/13/cops-bodies-found-in-gilgo-beach/

The search for a missing woman has uncovered four bodies, hidden on a remote Long Island beach.

And investigators fear this may just be the beginning.

I saw this report tonight on our local 11pm news...I hope I posted this correctly and in the right area as this is the first thread I started!

Ruthi - I am stepping all over your first post here so that we can put the young ladies up front in this thread. Salem
Posted 1/24/2011; 3:05 p.m.

Meaghan Waterman_________________________Maureen Branard-Barnes

Melissa Barthelemy_________________________Amber Lynn Costello

 

[svpernin]

Any new developments? It's been so quiet...

 

[internetgirl101]

I was wondering if this thread was working..Where is everyone's thoughts?

I read that Suffolk County recently arrested six men for failing to register as sex offenders. I can sort of see a sex offender not registering themselves to maybe pass the embarrassment..but maybe, it's possible that one could be connected, and didn't register because they had more to hide.

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/02/20/6-sex-offenders-accused-of-failing-to-register/


On a good note, it seems to me as if SCPD and LE in LI are stepping up their game and really cracking down on sex related crimes, missing persons cases, and other things sort of related...hopefully.


Then again, one story sticks in the back of my head. This man was charged after a craigslist date gone wrong. LE says he wasnt smart enough to pull off the Gilgo Beach killings. But the article says, "Fishbein is an account executive at Mrevolution, who's interests include New Internet technologies, fishing, boating and scuba diving." He doesn't sound that stupid to me....

http://eastbxnews.blogspot.com/2011/02/hes-not-smart-enough-to-be-serial.html

 

[svpernin]

I was wondering if this thread was working..Where is everyone's thoughts?

I read that Suffolk County recently arrested six men for failing to register as sex offenders. I can sort of see a sex offender not registering themselves to maybe pass the embarrassment..but maybe, it's possible that one could be connected, and didn't register because they had more to hide.

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/02/20/6-sex-offenders-accused-of-failing-to-register/


On a good note, it seems to me as if SCPD and LE in LI are stepping up their game and really cracking down on sex related crimes, missing persons cases, and other things sort of related...hopefully.


Then again, one story sticks in the back of my head. This man was charged after a craigslist date gone wrong. LE says he wasnt smart enough to pull off the Gilgo Beach killings. But the article says, "Fishbein is an account executive at Mrevolution, who's interests include New Internet technologies, fishing, boating and scuba diving." He doesn't sound that stupid to me....

http://eastbxnews.blogspot.com/2011/02/hes-not-smart-enough-to-be-serial.html

"Not smart enough" That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I really hope they had a more concrete basis for their decision to rule him out as a suspect... sounds like he would be capable of killing these women and the "new internet technologies" thing likely means that he is computer savvy which is exactly what we have been theorizing about the Gilgo beach killer. Let's see... Involved with Craigslist escorts+ lives in NY+ internet savvy+ attempted to strangle a women he met on CL+ raped that women= warrants a MUCH closer look, no matter how "not smart" he may appear. LE concerns me when they say things like that... then again, maybe the reporter didn't have all the information. The typos in the article (I'm sort of a grammar fanatic) lead me to believe the author isn't very professional. :twocents:

Anyway, thanks for the articles Internetgirl, let's keep this thread alive and active!

 

[chemcopout]

it's ridiculous for le to say a person "isn't smart enough" to have committed a crime, if you look through past history of crimes; murders, you'll see a whole various spectrum of iqs who have committed them.

they need to think outside the box sometimes.

on the doenetwork.org there's a whole ton of unsolved homicides in ny and all over and the victims aren't identified as well. it's very sad

 

[chemcopout]

le usually knows things about these cases that is not released to the public, it's possible and likely they already ruled out this wack job fishbein.
sometimes unfortunately, they have to wait for more bodies to turn up in order to catch the killer.

the sex offenders that didn't register is very disturbing, as 2 of them are level 3, high rate of redicism. (imo they all have a high rate of reoffending).

these type of serial murder cases can be hard, as we really don't know half of what le does. they can't release it to the public, as half of the nuts in nyc may confess to them murders for whatever crazy reasons they may have.

we only have to have faith in le and that they will catch this guy, hopefully without more bodies turning up.

 

[Pinkhammer]

Not much news on this case.

Now that we're getting warmer weather, and the snow has melted, and the rains have fallen hard, maybe they will resume the beach searches.

 

[svpernin]

Not much news on this case.

Now that we're getting warmer weather, and the snow has melted, and the rains have fallen hard, maybe they will resume the beach searches.

Yeah, it's in the 70s here today... LE said they were waiting for better weather conditions to resume the search, hope they got out there today but I haven't heard anything.

 

[Mia]

Hi everyone! I was directed to this thread from another WS member, who thought I may be of assistance to you guys in some small way. I am around the age of the murdered girls, live in NYC (Manhattan), and in the past did independent 'escorting' through CL, so know quite a bit about the 'scene' and am not shy about answering any questions you may have LOL. I also have a few girlfriends who do or did the same thing - we're all white, middle class, educated (we all have advanced degrees), upwardly mobile individuals. None of us, as far as I know, were sexually abused as children, and none of us were coerced into it - it is a choice we all made on our own.
Anyway, since i now have a more socially accepted, 'regular' job I'm pretty busy these days but will try to check in and answer any questions anyone has, if you have any.

Surprisingly I know very little about this case but am going to go back and read the first thread to get caught up, but from a cursory read of the information available I feel this is definitely a john who killed these girls, not a pimp, and he is one of the types who hates prostitutes, for whatever reason. I came across a couple of these types during the 3 years I was an escort, and ran far away fast but to this day am continually harassed by one of them through e-mail - what he has written to me through email (I never actually met this guy, thank goodness, only talked to him on the phone and corresponded briefly through e-mail) reminds me of the way the killer harassed Melissa's family.

Anyway, it's a wonderful thing you all are doing to help get justice for these young girls, which they certainly deserve, and again, I'd love to help in any way if I can.

 

[chemcopout]

Hi everyone! I was directed to this thread from another WS member, who thought I may be of assistance to you guys in some small way. I am around the age of the murdered girls, live in NYC (Manhattan), and in the past did independent 'escorting' through CL, so know quite a bit about the 'scene' and am not shy about answering any questions you may have LOL. I also have a few girlfriends who do or did the same thing - we're all white, middle class, educated (we all have advanced degrees), upwardly mobile individuals. None of us, as far as I know, were sexually abused as children, and none of us were coerced into it - it is a choice we all made on our own.
Anyway, since i now have a more socially accepted, 'regular' job I'm pretty busy these days but will try to check in and answer any questions anyone has, if you have any.

Surprisingly I know very little about this case but am going to go back and read the first thread to get caught up, but from a cursory read of the information available I feel this is definitely a john who killed these girls, not a pimp, and he is one of the types who hates prostitutes, for whatever reason. I came across a couple of these types during the 3 years I was an escort, and ran far away fast but to this day am continually harassed by one of them through e-mail - what he has written to me through email (I never actually met this guy, thank goodness, only talked to him on the phone and corresponded briefly through e-mail) reminds me of the way the killer harassed Melissa's family.

Anyway, it's a wonderful thing you all are doing to help get justice for these young girls, which they certainly deserve, and again, I'd love to help in any way if I can.

hi mia, thank you for coming to this thread and sharing your insight with us =)
i agree with you that the killer is likely a john who hates prostitutes ( as evidenced by the harassing calls to barthelemy's family).

mia, you mention a john who is still stalking you via email to this day, did you report him to the police? if he is that obsessed it could be a potentially dangerous situation, and people can find out almost anything on the web.
your situation you describe makes me worried for you.

 

[chemcopout]

we have a friend who used to be a stripper, she had been raped at age 13 and stripped since 17 until only a year or two ago. in her case, being that she had been raped in the past, it seemed that she was possibly feeling that she was "damaged" and thus stripped for several years and did some other things. she is white, middle class etc.

so i think in some cases, sexual abuse does play a factor.

being that this harrassing john you came across 3 years ago is still obsessed, please be careful. you could always report him as a stalking exbf to the police, at the very least the report would be on paper.

these types of individuals seem to hate prostitutes for whatever reasons; and unfortunately working girls and even drug users are not top priority for police when they end up dead or missing. this could be partially the reason serial killers pick them. however if the sk gets too confident and finds a middle class target, i see nothing that will stop him from "evolving" and killing out of his normal confines.

 

[svpernin]

Hi everyone! I was directed to this thread from another WS member, who thought I may be of assistance to you guys in some small way. I am around the age of the murdered girls, live in NYC (Manhattan), and in the past did independent 'escorting' through CL, so know quite a bit about the 'scene' and am not shy about answering any questions you may have LOL. I also have a few girlfriends who do or did the same thing - we're all white, middle class, educated (we all have advanced degrees), upwardly mobile individuals. None of us, as far as I know, were sexually abused as children, and none of us were coerced into it - it is a choice we all made on our own.
Anyway, since i now have a more socially accepted, 'regular' job I'm pretty busy these days but will try to check in and answer any questions anyone has, if you have any.

Surprisingly I know very little about this case but am going to go back and read the first thread to get caught up, but from a cursory read of the information available I feel this is definitely a john who killed these girls, not a pimp, and he is one of the types who hates prostitutes, for whatever reason. I came across a couple of these types during the 3 years I was an escort, and ran far away fast but to this day am continually harassed by one of them through e-mail - what he has written to me through email (I never actually met this guy, thank goodness, only talked to him on the phone and corresponded briefly through e-mail) reminds me of the way the killer harassed Melissa's family.

Anyway, it's a wonderful thing you all are doing to help get justice for these young girls, which they certainly deserve, and again, I'd love to help in any way if I can.

Hi Mia, thanks so much for coming by and offering your input. I wanted to ask you a few questions. First, did you do "outcalls"? We have found a few ads from these girls and they both said they exclusively did "outcalls." I know one of the victims came to LI from Maine and was staying at a hotel and left, presumably, to meet her john. I believe she was picked up by a cab but I'm not 100% sure if I'm remembering correctly. (Sidenote, fellow WS'ers, if Megan was picked up by a cab, would there be a record kept by the cab company of where she was dropped off?? Does anyone know if this was ever looked into-- maybe when she was initially reported missing?) Anyway, my question is, for "outcalls" do the girls ever get picked up by the john and taken to his house/a motel/wherever or are the girls generally responsible for getting to and from the location where the meeting is taking place? If so, do they usually hire a driver, take a cab, or drive themselves? I'm sure it varies greatly from person to person but I'm just asking what your experience has been and what you have heard from your friends.

Also, when an escort is working independently, does she usually have a safety plan set up? Like does she call a friend before to tell them the location of the meeting and to say something like "if you don't hear from me by such and such a time, something is wrong"? Or do most independent girls, especially when they've been in the business for a while and feel like they have a handle on it, just wing it and bring only a cell phone and maybe a can of pepper spray?

Do you think a girl would leave her cell phone behind intentionally when going to meet a client that she maybe knows and trusts or do you think some johns may even ASK that a girl show up without a cell phone (and offer to pay extra for this detail) to keep them from becoming distracted during the rendezvous?

I hope you take a moment to answer my questions, I would greatly appreciate it. Also, I agree with chem, the thing you said about that guy still constantly emailing you sets off alarm bells to me. The cops can't do anything about it at this point and I'm sure you don't want to reveal your history as an escort to LE but you should save all the emails and keep a log of the harassment, so you can built a case against him if it escalates. I had an incident with a stalker last year and that's what I was told to do. Unfortunately, LE can't do anything unless a direct threat is made or if you can demonstrate a pattern of harassment that is disrupting your every day life.

Thanks again for your time. These women deserve justice!!

 

[RIGHTEOUS1]

That part of LI seems isoltated, Ive been to Atlantic Beach, Lido Beach not Gildo{sp} seems like you have to know that area very well to leave Bodies. That week was very cold in NY, when they found them.

 

[chemcopout]

That part of LI seems isoltated, Ive been to Atlantic Beach, Lido Beach not Gildo{sp} seems like you have to know that area very well to leave Bodies. That week was very cold in NY, when they found them.

welcome to websleuths righteous! :Welcome1:

how did you pick your handle? are you one of the faith?

do you know if lido is near gildo beach? i've never been to the beaches on the island... or atlantic city.

i do believe that there are 2 different killers between this case and atlantic city.
they found the bodies in the cold, yet they had been there awhile.

my guess would be you'd have to know an area well enough to know when it's not busy and you won't be seen if you want to body dump there.

 

[nao]

JMO
I think - maybe- it was personal. Someone who new Melissa Barthelemy - the family that got the phone calls. Thats weird the phone calls, it made her a person of importance.

The other girls were dark haired, if she was a natural blonde that blows my theory. Is there a list of who died first? 3 of the girls have names starting with M.

Maybe it was hunting her, it's probably a male --but. JMO MOO

 

[Reannan]

@ Mia, I am SO glad you are on this thread now!!! Your input will be VERY helpful! I am also worried about you and the person sending you emails, etc. I agree that you need to keep these messages and if necessary, report them to LE!!! You have a great resource here at WS's who is willing to help in any way possible also!!! @ Rightous1, welcome to WS's!!! New insight is always SO helpful!!! Your observations about the locations of the bodies is intriguing! I had not noticed the fact that it was really cold when LE found the bodies. That brings up a good point, do we know when each of the bodies was placed there??? I would love to have a time-line of when each murder is thought to have happened. I guess I need to dig back through the pages and media links to find the last date each victim was seen. I am beginning to think we could use a forum for this case.... please??? Pretty please?? Information needs to be organized.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

There's a case archive album here, it includes all 4 women:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Ocean%20Parkway%20Murders%20-NY-/

 

[RIGHTEOUS1]

Hi, no Faith related just digging the name and being righteous and fair. Atlantic City is in NJ about 150 miles away I know the case your thinking of, I think. They found 4 bodies in AC a year before I don't know if its related. Lido Beach is a strip on LI a Township there are a bunch of them Townships, strips Private Beach Clubs at least what I know which is Atlantic Beach not Atlantic City about a mile long House's right off the beach 30 minutes to NYC. the place these girls were found is further down the Island but I think it might be similar, it would be next to impossible to do a real search in the winter, and it's been a Cold one in the City.

 

[RIGHTEOUS1]

The problem with Craigslist is you get all kind of nuts not just some people who want Sex. Look at that Dr who killed the girl in {Chicago} she was from NYC or lived in the City when it happened she traveled to another State to hookup with him. If a woman or man want to make Money that's fine but you have to protect yourself which would be kinda hard to do under those circumstances.