twocuriouscats
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Just a reminder for us to be thoughtful about what we post as the family may read here. I am personally hurt by the "should have" type discussions.
Mari and her daughters did appear on 48hrs. Her daughter Shannan was missing. The search for her lead to the discovery of a serial killers dumping ground. One of the victims was Melissa Barthlemy. The killer used her phone to call Melissas little sister. You can see it on youtube 48 hrs long island serial killer.This is just too horrifying. I recall seeing Mari and at least one of Shannan's sisters on 48 Hours or a similar show about the Long Island cases. A younger sister at one point was taunted by phone calls from someone claiming to have killed Shannan and offering hideous detail. I don't recall that sister's name. This poor, poor family. It is heartbreaking.
This is just too horrifying. I recall seeing Mari and at least one of Shannan's sisters on 48 Hours or a similar show about the Long Island cases. A younger sister at one point was taunted by phone calls from someone claiming to have killed Shannan and offering hideous detail. I don't recall that sister's name. This poor, poor family. It is heartbreaking.
Just a reminder for us to be thoughtful about what we post as the family may read here. I am personally hurt by the "should have" type discussions.
“I love my family and I’m very sorry . . . ” a handcuffed Gilbert, clad in an orange jailhouse jumpsuit, told reporters...
Sarra Gilbert has schizophrenia and made it clear in a closed-door meeting with Parker before the hearing that she wanted to enter a guilty plea, said Ray, who also attended the meeting...
Ray said Sarra Gilbert, who had been hospitalized in the last year for her mental health issues, was not taking her medication and was “hearing voices” in the days before the killing and had been fighting with family members for custody of her son, now living with his father’s family.
Sarra Gilbert is due back in court Aug. 16.
http://www.newsday.com/news/region-...t-hearing-for-mom-s-fatal-stabbing-1.12096000
I think it's appropriate to ask-- how often was she seen by her doctor prescribing her medication?
Every week, two weeks, every month, every six weeks? Did that doctor also actually talk with her, not just ask a few routine questions? How long was she off her meds? Yes, I do wish this could've been stopped in some way before Mari lost her life.
She either had the wool pulled over Mari's eyes, or mom could have just subconsciously chose not to see it. And I definitely believe there was a lack of communication between Mari and the others who were a part of Sarra's life. Hearing about the arrest in Feb., I think the doc should have been notified immediately! And the ex needs his head examined for allowing his son to be with Sarra unsupervised.
Will the mental health system petition for me?Kendras Law allows families and others to petition the court to place someone in assisted outpatient treatment. But it is easier and less costly if the mental health system, rather than relatives, files the petition. However, New Yorks mental health system is notoriously reluctant to file petitions, so you must be persistent. In case it ever becomes necessary, below are some tips on convincing mental health authorities to file a petition for your loved one.
Hospitals: For a relative who is in a hospital, families should try to convince the hospital to file a petition before the person is discharged. Ask the doctor. If he or she refuses, you should appeal to the director of psychiatry and hospital director. The higher up you go, the more likely you are to get what is needed.
No,family members and caregivers are not expected to know when a person may go off their meds, nor are they expected to recognize the little things that come about when a person first stops their meds. In this case, the judge who arraigned her for killing the puppy should have looked into this a little better, and ordered her to see her counselor and her doc as a stipulation of her being released on bond. But, that didn't happen, and the people in her life didn't see these problems as dangerous as they were. Rarely,if ever, do people with mental illness "get better" after they stop taking their meds. Things escalate, as in Sarra's case, and I cannot imagine why nobody picked up on the signs that something was going on with her emotional and mental state and she had become dangerous. It is very difficult to love somebody you know has mental illness, and try to be objective and help them, because your emotions make you feel guilty if you have to intervene and the person is sent to the hospital. The ill person may think you are mean because you had them hospitalized, the old "if you loved me you wouldn't have done this", and then you feel guilty, even if you know you did the right thing. It can seem like a vicious cycle with no end sometimes. Nobody should blame the family, they can beat themselves up without outside help. It is just a very stressful situation not only for families and caregivers, but also for the person suffering with the disease.
She either had the wool pulled over Mari's eyes, or mom could have just subconsciously chose not to see it. And I definitely believe there was a lack of communication between Mari and the others who were a part of Sarra's life. Hearing about the arrest in Feb., I think the doc should have been notified immediately! And the ex needs his head examined for allowing his son to be with Sarra unsupervised.