NY NY - NY, 201 W 24th St, WhtMale 20-40, UP6896, box on sdwlk, Tatts: Libra, Oct 3, butterfly, Feb'96

[Bit of hope]

wait so the Doe is 5'7 then where the heck did I get 6 feet from.. now I am confused!.. You ARE so useful always Daisychains!! Oh noooooo Nampan is not working anymore? what happened.. I noticed CharleyProject all different and confusing now too I cant find anything on it.. I think I am just stupid haha!

Hi Madamx, you are not stupid at all. In namus this john doe is 72 inches measured...so 6'

 

[FindHG]

Oh DaisyChains Funny you mention this because its another thought I had since the Limelight was not so far from where this guy was found.. The UID was found on west 24th st and Limelight was on 20th and so was this bar club called Wonderbar we used to go to. I met Angel when he first came around before he wore the angel wings he was punk rock with a mohawk he dated a friend of mine back then briefly. I have photos from prob 1995 of him and my friend at limelight. Those days were a bit insane if I did not have photos I probably would not remember them at all. I thought that maybe he could of been another one of the kids that came out from the outer boroughs and had an OD at someones house and was dumped and someone set him on fire.There are so many people my friends and I met from that time that we would just never end up talking to again..times were so different then. I wish we had a bit more info on this UID..

That is great that you submitted Ribiero because honestly you never know.. it does say that the guy had curly hair..Ribiero could of lightened it. Did it mention exactly where his care was found? yes I know the only thing is his birthday does not match.

its kind of like the Owen guy I posted that supposedly went missing a month later.. he went missing not to far from when this UID was found.. but there is no birthday or mention of tattoos.

yes you are correct the murder of angel happened in 1996 actually in March of 1996.. pretty much a month after the UID.. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15539321/andre-melendez

This was a year after Twilo got going on W 27th, as you mentioned the Limelight. You may have the right idea.

From the here: originally posted by madamx

his tattoo reminded me of a song

"My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?"

 

[Baudelaire]

IMO this was likely a homicide and body dump. A quick dump. Less people outside when it is very cold in those nice areas of NY where this doe was discovered - less chances of transient or tourists to see who dropped the body in that area as well. Seems like the area is so nice that a homeless guy couldn't park himself infront of a mini city castle long before getting the shove. That is why I thought Ribiero having disappeared from CT two days before this doe being found and Ribiero's car being left in NYC after disappearing seems rather coincidental. I hate to also mention that LISK was murdering by this time and we know at least 2 of his victims were from the CT area (i doubt it was LISK, but who knows).

In my mind and working theory (maybe Ribiero was visiting someone in NYC from CT and when he was murdered they had to hide his car) whoever murdered Ribiero did so outside of NYC in CT and wanted to drop his car/body far from the crime scene and area of his murderer's geographic awareness. many times it isn't coincidence when it comes to investigating these things. But again, Ribiero doesn't have a birthdate of Oct. 3rd.

Let's say John Doe had a secret lifestyle in which he had a boyfriend/courtship that ended in homicide: He could have gotten into a fight with a man/interest and been fatally wounded in the incident. Might also explain was he was never reported missing or claimed - his family may have outcast him long before he died.

The namus report and other reports I have found so far have not mentioned whether or not the death was self caused or homicide, but the UID is referred to as a "victim" in most narratives and not "decedent".

Im considering sending him in as a match just for good measure.

Didn't LISK kill female escorts?

 

[Baudelaire]

can you guys check and see if nampn.org is up and running (north american missing persons network)? It isn't coming up for me now of course

The entire internet wasn't working in my part of the world yesterday. The namus log for John says his fingerprints are available 'elsewhere' where could that be?

 

[Baudelaire]

Yup I’m sure it wasn’t him. I need to get back in practice again with my Doe identifications. I’ve been rusty this past month bc I took a break for nearly a year.

Hm so this Doe 5’7” and NamUs report says his hair was kind of ginger? Who the heck was this person?! I need nampn to get back online so I can search those Oct 3 birthdates. Make myself useful for once lol

Namus says his hair was brown

 

[Bit of hope]

http://www.nampn.org/cases/ribeiro_edivano.html Ribeiro Edivano went missing from CT two days before the body was found and his car was recovered 2 years later in NYC.

though Ribeiro's bday is not listed on nampn as oct. 3 and no mention of Ribeiro having tattoos (but this UIDs tats are so amature and small they could have gone unnoticed when he was alive maybe). I also want to mention that a light skinned African American UID might also be a hispanic with afro american admixture like you find with many folks from caribbean islands and south america. Additionally this UID was burned severely so determining race might have been quite difficult.

edit: was confused about some prior posts showing light skinned african males. Sorry if I am way off on race. I do think this man's circumstances are interesting coincidence with this case though.

I agree, this man is interesting in relation to this case.

 

[Bit of hope]

I went through the doe network and porchlight (sometimes additional info) from 1991 until 1996 and although I saw some possibility's, nobody made me jump up. Especially when you take a possible birth date on October 3th into consideration. I had almost everybody rule out because off estimated age, existing tattoos, bones broken, screws, plates and stuff like that. I tried to look through my eyelashes in relation to the height, not to far off...and the race mentioned. Still no solid YES!

 

[DaisyChains]

Didn't LISK kill female escorts?

Dont forget the Asian male found in women’s clothing very close to the four “in burlap”. But I don’t think he killed this Doe anymore. I think looking the drug/lgbt club route might help though!

 

[DaisyChains]

Why the heck was I thinking all of that? I had height and hair color wrong. I think I have a brain tumor no joke. Dang!

I have so many windows open sometimes I guess I probably referenced the wrong report. Sorry for any confusion! How embarrassing! I’m better than this I promise you guys lol. :blushing:

 

[DaisyChains]

Xmadamx I also am wondering how exactly this Doe died. Was it an overdose? Were there drugs in his system? It seems like his head was more burnt than his other parts - which might indicate an attempt to obscure his identity - problem is the drugged out people thought the box wouldn’t need to burn long to destroy his skin/tattoos. When dealing with ppl who are already high and they are trying to dispose of a body - not much makes sense.

also xmadamx - so sad about Angel. I’m glad you are a good source for what was going on in that area at the time though! You are so valuable - in more ways than one!

 

[Baudelaire]

Xmadamx I also am wondering how exactly this Doe died. Was it an overdose? Were there drugs in his system? It seems like his head was more burnt than his other parts - which might indicate an attempt to obscure his identity - problem is the drugged out people thought the box wouldn’t need to burn long to destroy his skin/tattoos. When dealing with ppl who are already high and they are trying to dispose of a body - not much makes sense.

also xmadamx - so sad about Angel. I’m glad you are a good source for what was going on in that area at the time though! You are so valuable - in more ways than one!

Yes the ME doesn't give a cause of death but also does not indicate any other injury than 'charring of body'.

Madamx says it was bitterly cold when he was found and he had no clothes on. Might indicate death from exposure.

Smoking a cigarette can lead to your scarf or jacket, which is near your face, to catch alight.

This happened in front of the fashion institute. I don't see them letting him continue to shelter in his box right out side the institute. They would more likely chase him away.

1) His fingerprints are on file elsewhere according to Namus entry. Where is elsewhere?
2) Someone at the fashion institute may or may not have set the box alight. Almost certainly someone from the institute called the fire station.
3) He's not on Interpol, the doe network or the charley project. Although I must still go through one file from doe.

And the search continues.

 

[madamx]

Bauldaire, This is the best I found pertaining to the weather for Feb of 1996 (see info and link below)..
There was snow on the ground and if it had snowed a lot, the city usually suspends garbage pick up. That could be why the cardboard box was there already. But there would be more Garbage on the curb also, if that was the case.

He was found Feb 12 1996.. I have not found a time anywhere though. But it was a Monday. He could of been placed there on Monday in the wee hours of the morning or on Monday night before midnight. With the school being there across the street closed at night and with the cold and snow I think it would be pretty desolate and easy to dump without getting noticed.

Also it was the weekend before Valentines What If this guy was having a fling with someone that he was not supposed to and someone walked in on him, he was killed, dragged to the curb and dumped in the box.. this could be why he had no clothing?? again just thoughts


http://thestarryeye.typepad.com/weather/2014/11/each-winters-snowstorms-1970-2014.html
Feb. 3, 1996 - 7.5" of snow, which was over by daybreak, fell in advance of the coldest air of the winter.* This was the the third snowfall of six+ inches this winter (with one more of that magnitude two weeks later).* I had flown down to Key West for vacation the day before thinking I had escaped, but a few days later the Arctic cold penetrated all the way down to the Keys and it felt like more like fall.

Feb. 16-17, 1996 - Snow fell throughout the day and by the time it came to and end shortly after 1AM 10.7" had piled up (9.9" of it fell on the 16th; the rest after midnight).* This was the third snowstorm this winter of eight-inches or more.* It was a fluffy snow, with just 0.52" of water content.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/12/n...iled-atop-snow-but-pickup-may-start-soon.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/dig-city-shut-snowicy-apple-staggers-back-mons-article-1.722799




Bauldaire I did not realize his it says his fingerprints are elsewhere? I wonder what that means? Oh there is just such little information. It is frustrating.
https://lostandfound.revealnews.org...4&end_date=12/31/1996&unidentifiedperson=6896

 

[madamx]

ok I am so fired from this thread its not funny!...
so the image for this address on google shows the front of those residential buildings (that I posted above) but that is not the actual address.Notice on the link to your left under the blue strip with the address the residential buildings I had posted. https://www.google.com/maps/place/2...d89c7c9850bb64!8m2!3d40.7447898!4d-73.9951896

. the address for 201 is further up on the corner and its now a Wholefoods (which address is actually on 7th ave).. so it would of been it another store or an industrial factory with lofts or apartment above in the 1990s.. I am posting the link..notice right across the street is #200 and you can see in the wholefoods building looks like there could of been an entrance on the side there.. so my point is now.. the guy Yes could of been living in a cardboard box somewhere up on that corner..or the box could of been left in the snow and been a total desolate spot to leave a body..You can scroll up the block to get a bit more of the industrial feel that end of block would of had at the time... I am soooo sorry to all of you for the extra thinking I have caused you all!!

 

[madamx]

Why the heck was I thinking all of that? I had height and hair color wrong. I think I have a brain tumor no joke. Dang!

I have so many windows open sometimes I guess I probably referenced the wrong report. Sorry for any confusion! How embarrassing! I’m better than this I promise you guys lol. :blushing:

no worries..I think I have one too ha!

 

[Baudelaire]

If we can find out from Namus where 'elsewhere' is, we could get a name. It is unlikely for two places to have his prints, both with no name. Does anyone on this thread know anyone from Namus?

Your weather report is interesting madamx, it snowed close to the date he died. That cardboard box would have been wet. Making it an almost impossible task to set alight.

I agree with you that he could have been caught in bed with someone, it would explain the lack of clothes. But then if he was conscious I assume he would have defended himself agsinst his attacker and the body would have defensive wounds. Or if he got blipped over the head, the ME would have listed an abrasion or contusion to the head.

 

[Bit of hope]

Why the heck was I thinking all of that? I had height and hair color wrong. I think I have a brain tumor no joke. Dang!

I have so many windows open sometimes I guess I probably referenced the wrong report. Sorry for any confusion! How embarrassing! I’m better than this I promise you guys lol. :blushing:

Hahaha DC, don't be so hard on yourself. We know you work hard on casus.

 

[Bit of hope]

Namus says his hair was brown

and curly, also a good indicator.

 

[Bit of hope]

I agree, this man is interesting in relation to this case.

Edivano Ribeiro Namus file. https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4412/0

They say his hair is black, of course he is Latino...and his height is less....hmm. My personal opinion is though that I don't want to rule him out immediately at this moment. The dates are too coincidentally and also his car found 2! years later in a New York garage.

His DNA: Sample submitted - Tests complete. For the UID no DNA (yet?).

 

[Baudelaire]

The Doe's DNA is available. I always go back to the tattoos. Surely if one ME takes pictures of the tattoos the ME who did Ribeiro would also have taken pictures of the tattoos?

 

[DaisyChains]

The Doe's DNA is available. I always go back to the tattoos. Surely if one ME takes pictures of the tattoos the ME who did Ribeiro would also have taken pictures of the tattoos?

Tattoos are defo an amazing for a UID and missing match I totally agree!

The libra tat was on this doe's forearm. That should be noticeable. The other two tats maybe not to anyone else unless they saw him shirtless etc. So I agree with you there.

Hopefully we will hear back about Ribeiro and have him ruled out. I haven't sent him in yet, but I think to keep things cohesive for submissions maybe we should continue our possibles list here and then once we feel we have exhausted all possible matches we can send one email with all our submissions to make things more organized for namus!