I have wondered about Billy a good bit. Some of the things we heard with George I don't feel can be spun the same way. He didn't live at Peterson from what we have learned and it might be easier for the defense to paint a picture of him being slightly more distanced from the "sharing of everything" and casings being on the property where he lived. JMO
Jmo is BW billy? I don’t think he was living at big bear lakeSomething just dawned on me. BW's Discovery (see p.16 on Media & Timeline):
Billy Wagner's Cell Tower Records
March 2016 (1 page)
April 2016 (1 page)
Big Bear Lake (1 excel spreadsheet)
Custody Messages (1 excel sheet with 519 entries)
IMO, BW was living at Big Bear Lake in March and April, thus the 519 custody messages under HIS cell tower records.
Wow.
Thoughts?
Jmo is BW billy? I don’t think he was living at big bear lake
The thing is right now from what I heard, they really don't have a case against George yet. They have casings from his gun, but can't put the gun in his hand, they have shoe prints but can't put the shoes on his feet, they have statements made by him but he could argue he knew about everything afterwards and that's why he said what he did. I know they have a lot more, but if I was on the jury right now, he would walk, on everything but accessory after the fact and obstruction.I have wondered about Billy a good bit. Some of the things we heard with George I don't feel can be spun the same way. He didn't live at Peterson from what we have learned and it might be easier for the defense to paint a picture of him being slightly more distanced from the "sharing of everything" and casings being on the property where he lived. JMO
Maybe working there or if they have a bar as most vacation spots do, hanging out at the bar.Something just dawned on me. BW's Discovery (see p.16 on Media & Timeline):
Billy Wagner's Cell Tower Records
March 2016 (1 page)
April 2016 (1 page)
Big Bear Lake (1 excel spreadsheet)
Custody Messages (1 excel sheet with 519 entries)
IMO, BW was living at Big Bear Lake in March and April, thus the 519 custody messages under HIS cell tower records.
Wow.
Thoughts?
I noticed something interesting that the prosecution said in response to his bond motion:
The court filing also reveals that Billy Wagner’s mother, Fredericka, who had been previously charged with perjury, searched for penalties related to lying to the grand jury the night before she testified in 2018.
I was wondering why is what Fred looks up on-line relative to Billy's bond request?
I'm still not sure, but it made me realize that Billy was likely living with Fred and that means he was probably using her computer, at least using her router.
Point is, I wouldn't be surprised if they have found searches and purchases that would tie Billy into the murders.
We know he was part of the texts and phone calls between the 4 of them, and part of the incriminating calls GW4 made.
8,000 total recordings and texts. So they could have some very incriminating conversations from him.
You bring up a very good point. The maglite silencer was in the well and casings were on and buried in the ground at 260 Peterson Rd. and Angela, GW4 and Jake are tied into that because they lived there.
The big question is, did Billy ever live there? And if so, when?
Something just dawned on me. BW's Discovery (see p.16 on Media & Timeline):
Billy Wagner's Cell Tower Records
March 2016 (1 page)
April 2016 (1 page)
Big Bear Lake (1 excel spreadsheet)
Custody Messages (1 excel sheet with 519 entries)
IMO, BW was living at Big Bear Lake in March and April, thus the 519 custody messages under HIS cell tower records.
Wow.
Thoughts?
Hey, CC, can you please post a copy or link to that document? TIA
Billy isn't the only one with the BBL in his discovery or the custody messages (I'm sure but will double check) so I don't think he lived there at BBL.
As far as what we know, Billy was on disability, broke, and working for Fred and I think he would be living with Fred because it was free. I remember it came out during Fred's pre trial somewhere that Billy had been staying in his old room at Freds helping care for his dad.
I think most of those custody messages will be on Angela's laptop, the laptop in Jake's name that they think both Angela and Jake used.
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I noticed something interesting that the prosecution said in response to his bond motion:
The court filing also reveals that Billy Wagner’s mother, Fredericka, who had been previously charged with perjury, searched for penalties related to lying to the grand jury the night before she testified in 2018.
I was wondering why is what Fred looks up on-line relative to Billy's bond request?
I'm still not sure, but it made me realize that Billy was likely living with Fred and that means he was probably using her computer, at least using her router.
Point is, I wouldn't be surprised if they have found searches and purchases that would tie Billy into the murders.
We know he was part of the texts and phone calls between the 4 of them, and part of the incriminating calls GW4 made.
8,000 total recordings and texts. So they could have some very incriminating conversations from him.
You bring up a very good point. The maglite silencer was in the well and casings were on and buried in the ground at 260 Peterson Rd. and Angela, GW4 and Jake are tied into that because they lived there.
The big question is, did Billy ever live there? And if so, when?
I thought the Bethel Rd. trailer burned down. I know a trailer burned down but can't remember the details.If he lived there, maybe it could have been related to questions around if he was home all night?
It's hard to say what specific question(s) she anticipated she would be asked, but it clearly shows at a minimum she weighed her options around lying about something the night before her testimony to the grand jury.
As for where he lived, I have wondered if it was with his mother or on Bethel Hill Rd. Maybe Angela and the boys were the only 3 that moved from Bethel to Peterson. I have no idea, and it's only speculation on my part.
Most of us use certain "general" words with locations sometimes, such as, "Wanna come over?" "Why don't you come up this weekend?" "Don't come DOWN here now, we have company." (Latter is what GW4 told GW3 on the phone, according to Scheiderer.)
Would 260 Peterson Rd. be "down" from BBL? Thanks.
JMO
I thought the Bethel Rd. trailer burned down. I know a trailer burned down but can't remember the details.
So if that was the case then Billy either went to Peterson or FWFs.
You mention questions about Billy being home all night.
So this brings up something interesting. It was said at Billy's bond hearing that Billy was staying the night on Peterson Rd, as opposed to staying that night with Fred which is where I think he was living.
It was said that Billy was not living with Jake and GW4.
So why would Billy just happen to stay on Peterson Rd. on the night of the murders?
Why not stay where he was living, with Fred? (My opinion he lived with Fred).
Why not leave Fred's, commit the murders, then go back to Freds?
Because he didn't want Fred or Robin to see he was gone. (If Robin lives there).
To have to get them both to lie for him was too complicated so he had to say he was staying on Peterson Rd which is circumstantial evidence.
So Billy was able to tell Fred he stayed all night over with Angie and that's why Fred told the press:
"None of us was anywhere near that place that night."
Billy couldn't count on Fred and maybe Robin to be his alibi, which is what they would be if they said he was sleeping in his old bedroom at FWFs all night.
But very interesting that he did seem to count on her to lie to the GJ for him, why else was she looking up the night before her GJ testimony how to lie to a GJ? Plus Billy was living with her at that time and likely was involved with her search, or he himself did the searching.
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If they were text messages or e-mail type messages, They could have anyone added to the address list and would get all messages. In fact,I would wager that is how JW monitored Hanna's messaging. All he had to do was get hold of her cell for a couple of minutes and he could have every thing she did bcc (Blind Carbon Copy) to him and the family. MOOSomething just dawned on me. BW's Discovery (see p.16 on Media & Timeline):
Billy Wagner's Cell Tower Records
March 2016 (1 page)
April 2016 (1 page)
Big Bear Lake (1 excel spreadsheet)
Custody Messages (1 excel sheet with 519 entries)
IMO, BW was living at Big Bear Lake in March and April, thus the 519 custody messages under HIS cell tower records.
Wow.
Thoughts?
Jmo if you south on st rt 104 (a main road) you go past the road big bear lake is on. In order to go to Lucasville from Wagner’s you more than likely go past the road that big bear lake is on. The lake is very close to st rt 104. Or you can go down big bear to get to Lucasville from Wagner’s farm. Jmo I am sure my phone pings the tower near BBL a lotIt might be "down" from Flying W Farm, which sits on one of the higher hills in the area.
I thought the Bethel Rd. trailer burned down. I know a trailer burned down but can't remember the details.
So if that was the case then Billy either went to Peterson or FWFs.
You mention questions about Billy being home all night.
So this brings up something interesting. It was said at Billy's bond hearing that Billy was staying the night on Peterson Rd, as opposed to staying that night with Fred which is where I think he was living.
It was said that Billy was not living with Jake and GW4.
So why would Billy just happen to stay on Peterson Rd. on the night of the murders?
Why not stay where he was living, with Fred? (My opinion he lived with Fred).
Why not leave Fred's, commit the murders, then go back to Freds?
Because he didn't want Fred or Robin to see he was gone. (If Robin lives there).
To have to get them both to lie for him was too complicated so he had to say he was staying on Peterson Rd which is circumstantial evidence.
So Billy was able to tell Fred he stayed all night over with Angie and that's why Fred told the press:
"None of us was anywhere near that place that night."
Billy couldn't count on Fred and maybe Robin to be his alibi, which is what they would be if they said he was sleeping in his old bedroom at FWFs all night.
But very interesting that he did seem to count on her to lie to the GJ for him, why else was she looking up the night before her GJ testimony how to lie to a GJ? Plus Billy was living with her at that time and likely was involved with her search, or he himself did the searching.
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