Jonas_Klein
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Hi. I missed the info about the BPV. When was it revealed? Do you have a link please?
She also listened in on their plans to seek revenge against LE and did nothing to stop them. That's pretty serious.
BBM
Thanks, rsd1200!!! I'm still somewhat surprised they let her out on bond knowing that.
So, yes, she was there and heard the conversations. JMO/IANAL, she could be charged with other crimes, possibly conspiracy. Didn't she realize by then that her son and his family had committed the murders? Were they discussing that fact with her? How much did she know and when?
She didn't call LE, instead she went on to lie to the Grand Jury, resulting in a charge of Obstruction of Justice. In spite of the "no contact" order, she's still probably trying to control her family members in jail and doing her utmost that they avoid conviction. JMO, she wants these people back out in the community, posing a risk to the lives of other innocent people.
Maybe because they had no reason to have bullet poof vests? I can't recall...I was distracted during the hearing..did they say 2 vests?
Yes. Why would they have no reason to have vests?
I think they said they were found in the bedroom of her son. Not sure. Poor audio, for me.
Hi. I missed the info about the BPV. When was it revealed? Do you have a link please?
She also listened in on their plans to seek revenge against LE and did nothing to stop them. That's pretty serious.
BBM
Because they are not law enforcement and cannot legally purchase or own a Kevlar vest.
Soooo why did they want them? So someone they were shooting at could not kill them if they shot back?
I am pretty certain that a Kevlar vest would have absolutely no value during hunting because the deer they are shooting at does not own a gun.
JMO
They did not object to the "no contact" order. They objected to the gag order and stated they wanted to make a statement to the press refuting the accusations against their client.Rhoden family massacre: Fredericka Wagner argues for access to church, workplace
Wagner matriarch in Rhoden murder case wants bail modified
Pike County Murders: Fredericka Wagner's defense requests testimony
Catching up. Been busy and missed FW's hearing
ETA: Anyone recall what reason her defense gave for objecting to the "no contact" order? She really wants to keep control of this case. JMO.
NBC -Columbus, OH has a good article, too
Grandmothers of Rhoden family murder suspects to be in court Thursday
According to Trudie's article above, its legal everywhere except Connecticut. It's considered reasonable if someone works in a high risk type job, like managing a jewelry store, liquor store, etc.
The bigger question seems to be why Fredericka lied to the GJ about her son and grandson owning them, or that she bought them? LE must have found the receipts where she purchased them, so they caught her in a lie. That's obstruction of justice, likely because Billy and GW4 used them during the murders. JMO. I'm guessing GW4 is the grandson being referred to. He seems the more likely of the two brothers to want / need one. I wonder when the vests were purchased? Did FW buy anything else for them?
I just questioned some LE relatives of mine re these vests, body armor, and yes you can now purchase them. Apparently some execs use them. I know for a fact that I had to wait in a coffee shop, not even in the car, when m friend purchased one in PA.That is not true in my state. I know because I bought one. I purchased it from a tactical store that caters to law enforcement. Hubby had to show identification in order to get fitted for it and to pick it up.
According to Trudie's article above, its legal everywhere except Connecticut. It's considered reasonable if someone works in a high risk type job, like managing a jewelry store, liquor store, etc.
The bigger question seems to be why Fredericka lied to the GJ about her son and grandson owning them, or that she bought them? LE must have found the receipts where she purchased them, so they caught her in a lie. That's obstruction of justice, likely because Billy and GW4 used them during the murders. JMO. I'm guessing GW4 is the grandson being referred to. He seems the more likely of the two brothers to want / need one. I wonder when the vests were purchased? Did FW buy anything else for them?
I just questioned some LE relatives of mine re these vests, body armor, and yes you can now purchase them. Apparently some execs use them. I know for a fact that I had to wait in a coffee shop, not even in the car, when m friend purchased one in PA.
Thank you, Raisin. That explains it for me.The bulletproof vests in her article stops all handguns up to a .44 mag. Those would be less than useless in LE. Hubby's protects against all guns except armor piercing bullets. It also protects against stab wounds from a knife or other sharp object. A vest like the one in her article would only serve to get him killed.
I don't know if the law has changed here in the last few years regarding the purchase or owning them, I just know what I was told when I bought it.
JMO
I just questioned some LE relatives of mine re these vests, body armor, and yes you can now purchase them. Apparently some execs use them. I know for a fact that I had to wait in a coffee shop, not even in the car, when m friend purchased one in PA.
They did not object to the "no contact" order. They objected to the gag order and stated they wanted to make a statement to the press refuting the accusations against their client.