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Laugh all you want, it does cause kids to stop having sex. No, of course, not all of them but among the group that would use abortion as a last ditch effort, it certainly prevents sexual exposure.
Cal
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Oh what absolute BS.....a father's rights don't start until birth?
Laughable feminism at its worst.
I would submit that the opposite would happen.....the children would either be born and adopted out or given to the father or perhaps, PERHAPS, the kids will stop having sex because they know that abortion is no longer an option.
At the end of this life, women who had abortions will have to answer for that. There will be no Supreme Court justices standing there....there will be no ACLU....the will be no case law. Just a really angry God proclaiming the woman a murderer. Don't believe that? Gooooood luck.
JMHO
Cal
That one confuses me. The life I am pro is the unborn child, how can you share that stance and still be pro taking that life?:waitasec:As are we all, I believe! I am pro life and pro choice all the way. :blowkiss:
So the wome's body is held hostage by a man. Well lets look at this scene. College student becomes pregnant, well she has to get the man's "CONSENT" to have the baby or not. Well he decides. I am going to make her have my child. Yes I am. She says: I don't want to be a Mom, I still have my whole life ahead of me, school, career, marriage.
Well he says: IT IS MY CHOICE and you have to do what I say. No abortion for you. What I say goes.
Well she drops out of school, medical expenses, doctors appointments, etc. He is no where to be found. He has taken up with someone else.
She has the baby. She phones him. She is glad it is over, medical complications, insurance issues. Now she can return to school, get a degree, a career and have a life. She then asks him to sign "adoption" papers.
Not so fast, he says: I HAVE decided that you are not ALLOWED to adopt the baby out. After all, you spent 9 months pregnant, and I did not force you to have my baby, just to adopt it out.
Child support, what child support, good luck in getting that from me. Day care expenses, no way, you will have to support the baby. You know I may give you a buck here or there and maybe buy a crib. Go ahead , get an order for child support, I will pay child support when the Government "catches up with me and garnishes my wages", then I will quit my job and then you will have to find me again.
You are not getting a dime from me, no way. I have all the power and control.
What you and the child live in poverty. So what, you see, I have ruined your life, you horrible person. It is your fault you became pregnant. You will never go back to college, never find a suitable husband, never get a degree, get a career. You will of course have to work, pay child care, and all the expenses for the child, but hey I get to "enjoy" that I am a Dad.
I really don't care about you or "your" baby, I just enjoyed having all of the power and control over your life, your future, you well being.
So now she is a single Mom, poor, desperate, and Daddy is no where to be found in the last 17 years, because after the 1st year, the novelty of being a Dad wore thin. Well Daddy says: I am moving to California, and you again need my permission to adopt out. I am not going to do that, because lets just say in 5 years, I want to see "my child", well I know where he/she will be.
How about a provision of this bill: If a man does not consent to an abortion, he will be forced by law to "hire" the women as a surrogate mother. Then when he child is born, he will legally have to have full custody of the baby, and the mother is given visiting rights. So now she has to pay him child support, he has to quit his job, he has to put his career on hold, struggle financially, day in day out.
Let Daddy play the role of Mommy, I put money, that he will not find being a Daddy, a real Daddy all fun and games. After 6 months, he wants her to consent to adoption, she says no. Why should I. You have all the work to do, I only have access and visitation. Why the heck should I consent to adoption, heck, I go to school, I am getting my degree, my career is great and I play Mommy from time to time. Oh by the way, am I behind in my child support. Well the cheque is in the mail.
I think this only sound fair...........if Daddy wants the baby, he can assume full care and expenses for that baby. The women should not be held hostage, her life held hostage to the "whims" of a Daddy.
In a perfect world, women would be paid equal to men, in a perfect world, daycare will be provided free, in a perfect world, men adhere to their legal responsibility, in a perfect world men are "involved" in their child's life, in a perfect world, men pay child support. Too bad we do not live in a perfect world.
Uh-oh. Are you trying to get yet another thread pulledWritten by a seething man hater, it would almost seem....
Cal
JMHO.
Separation of church and state.
It is the woman's body. Yes, the man obviously helped create the child but he will not be carrying that child. He will not be going through the 9 months of pregnancy, his life is not going to be turned upside down for those 9 months, his health is not going to be changing, career affected, many, many things happen to a woman's body during this time, emotional, career, health, sometimes they have to miss a lot of work, doctor bills...the father goes on life as normal. His only decision would be to say 'no, I don't want her to have an abortion'???? Then what?
I don't mean to sound horrible about it but I don't think it should be as simple as that, and I DO think it should be the woman's choice, and I say this with heavy sympathy for men because my husband has an ex-wife that is a pain to deal with. I see what he goes through and how many times he just keeps his mouth shut for the sake of his daughter. I know the plight of fathers.
Now that I've said that I do support the pro-choice stand, I will also say that I do not agree with abortion when it is oft used as a birth control method. This makes me sad.
As for the facing an angry God part, lest we forget that our God is a forgiving, merciful God. (that is if we worship the same God :innocent: ).
Uh-oh. Are you trying to get yet another thread pulled![]()
Oh what absolute BS.....a father's rights don't start until birth?
Laughable feminism at its worst.
I would submit that the opposite would happen.....the children would either be born and adopted out or given to the father or perhaps, PERHAPS, the kids will stop having sex because they know that abortion is no longer an option.
At the end of this life, women who had abortions will have to answer for that. There will be no Supreme Court justices standing there....there will be no ACLU....the will be no case law. Just a really angry God proclaiming the woman a murderer. Don't believe that? Gooooood luck.
JMHO
Cal
When a man can carry and birth a baby in HIS body, he'll then get the right to say whether or not a baby should be born... until then, it's the woman's right to have a baby or not. No man should tell a woman she HAS to carry and birth a baby in HER body, Period.
And if you actually think this'll stop kids from having sex... HA! Get real... this'll just cause more baby dumping/killing.
I guess that if you have sex with a man and get pregnant by that man, you give him a say so in the life of the child within you.
Cal
Twist all you want... When a MAN can actually CARRY and BIRTH a baby, he'll get the right to determine a child's life... When a man has sex with a girl/woman it's just as much HIS responsiblity as hers to make sure that a baby isn't conceived, unless they are a couple and desire to have a child together. If it's an "accident" then the woman has a right to decide whether she wants to carry, birth and raise this child... NOT the man.
You seem to think that a girl/woman will just accept a man's dictate that she must have his child. What about ILLEGAL abortion? What about having the baby to just dump it in the trash because she never wanted it? What about abandoning all these unwanted children? This proposed law doesn't solve anything... it creates MORE problems, more unwanted children and more murders...
Hey, I understand that it is inconvenient. No doubt.
Think about this ladies...I am a lone voice in the forest here. You ladies are all up in arms over the government or even worse A MAN telling you what you can do with your bodies. Yet you have no qualms about telling the Dad of that baby to scew off, I am ripping that child out of my womb. You talk about your rights to not be inconvenienced, what about his rights not to have his child killed. Yeah, I know...not until birth but explain that to the Dad who believes that is his child.
As for God, God is not mocked by the modern day feminism. I don't know which God you speak of but my bible says the body is a temple. My bible says that God gives life and takes life. My bible says that God knew you before you were even conceived. My bible says that if a man kills a woman who is pregant, he has killed TWO people. My bible says that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was great with CHILD...not fetus. Yes, God is forgiving for those who ask (I may, perhaps be pushing the boundaries of that edict myself!:innocent: ) but despite that we will still give an account of deeds done in the body, I believe. Not casting the first religious stone but todays feminism that says "it is a woman's body and a woman's fetus" flies in the face of God.
I guess that by a couple of the arguments I have disputed today, if Jesus had waited to be born until 2007 instead of when he was born, he would have been aborted. Mary suffered humiliation...abort him. Mary surely wanted to marry Joesph....abort him. Mary surely might have wanted an education...abort him. Mary has airline tickets to France next spring...abort abort abort. Sad commentary folks.
Cal
I was under the impression that those who believe abortion is a valid choice also did not believe a baby is involved.Twist all you want... When a MAN can actually CARRY and BIRTH a baby, he'll get the right to determine a child's life... When a man has sex with a girl/woman it's just as much HIS responsiblity as hers to make sure that a baby isn't conceived, unless they are a couple and desire to have a child together. If it's an "accident" then the woman has a right to decide whether she wants to carry, birth and raise this child... NOT the man.
You seem to think that a girl/woman will just accept a man's dictate that she must have his child. What about ILLEGAL abortion? What about having the baby to just dump it in the trash because she never wanted it? What about abandoning all these unwanted children? This proposed law doesn't solve anything... it creates MORE problems, more unwanted children and more murders...
I was under the impression that those who believe abortion is a valid choice also did not believe a baby is involved.
I was under the impression that those who believe abortion is a valid choice also did not believe a baby is involved.