Omaha double murder

[NSC]

That would be motive if someone blamed the hospital or a Dr, or a committee for a child not receiving a heart or other organ due to a decision on their part. Just throwing things out there. A place to look into, and it could go back a few years.

I think you make an interesting point Bern. Eye for an Eye. What IF there was a decision or a surgery gone wrong of some sort that affected a family and they lost a loved one. And the revenge was to take out this Dr's loved one, her/his son. I know we have thrown out a surgery gone wrong before but the decison making ability hasn't been brought up before.

Snick, don't worry I don't get responses from Crimestoppers either :waitasec: :blowkiss:

 

[Skully]

thanks NSC

I didn't think a kidnapping because, it would seem that would be for ransom. They could have taken out the housekeeper and took the boy and called with demands. Or they could have taken him maybe while he was outside; coming or going somewhere. So I felt revenge. Eye for an Eye came to mind last week when I was thinking about the case. But they would want the parents to know that, in some way, could be that is not released to the public as not to scare them off. They may be working that angle.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

The murderer left the knives behind. Could this have been some type of 'calling card', so to speak? That is how it seems to me. No doubt these murders were committed with intent and malice.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

Could it possibly be retribution from a family member of someone who died during or after surgery?

The information about the car tag being unusual definitely suggests either a stolen car, a rental car or someone from out of state.

Could it be a hardcore drug addict who thought he could find narcotics there? He could
have picked any doctor from the telephone book.

It's very strange that it has been kept so quiet.

...I was going to ask something similiar just now, after seeing the pictured of the house keeper and the house itself............seems she knew the person, knew s meaning she knew this man knew the parents....just as been there before or perhaps he said, ask if they were home, and she let them in to wait on the parents to arrive, knowing there schedule perhaps in advance, but not sure of the house.......now that i think of it, perhaps if was more asking if they were home, for business talk.....and she let him in to wait, not knowing he had other motives, perhaps he thought they were home, and was caught by surprise when she answered, but already being there, he took his anger out on them............My question anyways........were the doctors also treating patents also.......besides at the school.............im asking if the angle of a son or husband, but more like son whom parent loved one, like a mother, was being treated by the doctor or both doctors, and had died......and this man, believed that these two, or one or the other were responsible, as if they didnot treat this mans dying love one with the care and compassion he thought they deserved, and seeked his revenge for his love one dieing.........it seems he was taking out some hostility towards them, by commiting this crrime in such a personal and methodical process......and im thinking perhaps the boy heard a disturbance upstairs, and he paused his game and went upstairs to see what was occuring, and he witness the house keeper being attacked, and being the doctors sons.........he took his revenge out on the boy which represented the parents......................Im assuming, the other grown boys have been checked into, to make sure they had not offended someone in someway, that this attack was in some kind of payback for something they were involved in, and im thinking/assuming they were not with someone to the extent this man would kill there young brother....................ALL JUST MOO, NOTHING FACTUAL OR FOR CERTAIN......JUST SPECULATION ON MY PART.

 

[Snick1946]

Mr TT:

The police claim to have checked out more than a dozen past patients of Claire Hunter- William Hunter is a teachng Dr in Pathology, so I doubt if he had any patients. When I read this my first thought was 'only a dozen?' I wonder if this was someone off the radar of the cops and the parents as well- someone the doctors have no idea they made so angry, who just held it all in until it exploded.
The knives are strange. It is almost like a signature or calling card, at least in the perp's mind. Would this suggest surgery maybe? As in surgery gone wrong or something?

 

[waltzingmatilda]

.....Or perhaps to show off ones' skills.

Hi Mr TT! It's good to 'see' you!

 

[Skully]

I was thinking about the knives being left behind. He knew he was coming to "kill" not kidnap, or why not just bring a gun. He also felt that the knives being left behind would not incriminate him or he would not have left evidence behind as big as the murder weapon. So I have to ask myself; what was it about the knives he wanted the family to see, could they have been specific kind of knives, like surgical knives? He may have left his "message" by leaving the knives behind. the knives may be a clue to the parents as to "why". Were the knives ever shown or described in the news? I could be way off here, they could be kitchen knives, or hunting knives, but I just have this hunch.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I was thinking about the knives being left behind. He knew he was coming to "kill" not kidnap, or why not just bring a gun. He also felt that the knives being left behind would not incriminate him or he would not have left evidence behind as big as the murder weapon. So I have to ask myself; what was it about the knives he wanted the family to see, could they have been specific kind of knives, like surgical knives? He may have left his "message" by leaving the knives behind. the knives may be a clue to the parents as to "why". Were the knives ever shown or described in the news? I could be way off here, they could be kitchen knives, or hunting knives, but I just have this hunch.

I am thinking along these same lines. It seems this perp left the weapons behind for a reason. This seems bold! Why not dispose of them instead so there's less evidence connecting him to the crime? Was this perp taunting someone? If so who?

 

[YellowDog]

What if they were surgical knives? That would open up a whole plethora of new ideas.

 

[Skully]

Doesn't sound like they are releasing much info though.... but I have to wonder why leave them? And why are there more than one? How many knives did he need? So that makes me think that there was some thing special about the knives. I wonder if he left the knives in the bodies?

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Doesn't sound like they are releasing much info though.... but I have to wonder why leave them? And why are there more than one? How many knives did he need? So that makes me think that there was some thing special about the knives. I wonder if he left the knives in the bodies?

This theory would certainly explain the need to bring two knives. Why not just bring one to use? Unless the perp is making a statement by leaving the knives in the bodies and needed one for each. Sounds like the perp was aware he was going after two victims to me.

 

[Skully]

Yep that's what I am thinking. Maybe some one who knows more about the case will weigh in or post.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

Mr TT:

The police claim to have checked out more than a dozen past patients of Claire Hunter- William Hunter is a teachng Dr in Pathology, so I doubt if he had any patients. When I read this my first thought was 'only a dozen?' I wonder if this was someone off the radar of the cops and the parents as well- someone the doctors have no idea they made so angry, who just held it all in until it exploded.
The knives are strange. It is almost like a signature or calling card, at least in the perp's mind. Would this suggest surgery maybe? As in surgery gone wrong or something?

thanks fro adding that.......im assuming there are no crime scene photos available for viewing?.......I would have liked to seen the layout of the home AFTER the bodies were removed, just to get an idea on exactly whom was laying where etc......as far as the knifes being left behind, and as bloody as they were,.....I'm assuming again, that the perp didnot bother to clean them, or did he?.........It would have been best to leave them there, so not to track any blood.DNA outside, WOULD not had to bother about getting rid of them later, so he just left them there at the scene............though, he had to have blood on his clothes, before leaving??or did he changed into something, or wearing something undernearth??..........as usualy not all being released, about what was or wasnt found at the crime scene..........but the knifes, they were certain they were the murder weapons, so I am curous about what position htey were found in, if not left in the persons.......then in what area, position were they found in>>>what i mean by that, is were they laying in a particular position, say on the counter in a shape of a pymied ....like this /\
and the briefcase, i wonder if the knifes were in that, or a camera to take pictures, for someone else ot see??..............this seems like a one hit, one time hit in the area, not random..but selective, so there has to be a connection to the family.........even a relativbe, we maybe unaware of at this time......even LE, may not know yet, I am not sure...........

ALL JUST MOO..NOTHING FACTUAL OR FOR CERTAIN ALL SPECULATIONS.

..............just a comment...the main problem i have on these cases.........there are no validations coming from LE on the information posted, to let one know what path one is traveling on......i do not know if anything i posted is accurate or not.......for there is no one in LE letting me know yes or no to what has been posted......so all i can do at times, is post things, different scenes etc........ and wait and see through updates if anything can be validated, to let me know that i am on the correct path or if i am traveling down the wrong path, or perhaps posting for a case up or below this one...........i just don't know for sure.
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[colette]

To me the knives and leaving them at the scene speaks of someone not sophisticated in criminal activities. Since he brought them to the scene I believe he was there to murder, not steal (nothing taken) Since he was seen looking at a paper and then at the homes addresses, he was someone probably not close to the victims. This brings me back to the revenge motive.

 

[YellowDog]

Has it ever even been published that the knives did not come from the kitchen in the home? Just wondering......

 

[Snick1946]

Well, maybe we need to rethink this- check out what I posted in #9, a paste from the local newspaper article stating that 'police recovered knives from the crime scene'
I ran a quick check of other posts and cannot find where it says the knives weren't some the perp would have found in the kitchen etc. The wording is that they were recovered, so this can mean he just left them. This is perhaps another crime scene detail the cops have left intentionally ambigious.
I still have some issue with this being a hit on behalf of someone else, too much anger, even if the perp were told to make it messy this just seems off the charts.
The idea of the perp taking pictures is chilling but possible if it was paid for by someone. Could he have thought the housekeeper was Mrs Hunter?
I wonder what Claire Hunters usual schedule was? Would she have been expected to be at home at between 3 and 3:30 usually, but was out of town that day? Could he have been going after William's wife and son?

 

[colette]

If someone has a paranoid urge for revenge, there could be much violence. The motive might be known only to the killer, such as the murder of Dr Cornbleet in Chicago. The dermatologist was stabbed over 20 times for a prescription he wrote for Accutane years earlier. The killer only took 2 pills but believed those 2 doses had made him impotent for life. The guy flew from NYC for his revenge.

http://drdavidcornbleet.blogspot.com/

 

[Snick1946]

This just in on WOWT news website: a double murder just three blocks or so from this one, two bodies found:

Omaha police confirmed early Monday morning they were not searching for suspects in a homicide that left two people dead near 50th and Dodge Sunday night. By 8:30 Monday morning no names had been released but officers remained at the scene.

Police surrounded the home where the two bodies were found for nearly two hours Sunday night into early Monday morning. It was initially believed a suspect was barricaded inside, but a search of the premises turned up no one.

Firefighters and police officers were dispatched to 112 South 50th Street, just south of 50th and Dodge, at 10:24 p.m. Sunday for a "nature unknown" call.

SWAT team members with assault rifles soon surrounded the house and Dodge Street was closed in both directions as was 50th Street. Residents were told to stay away from windows.

Officers were seen entering the house just before 12:30 a.m. Monday.

Police say the deceased are a man and a woman. Their names and ages were not disclosed. Police would not say if the two were residents of the house or if they were husband and wife.

Douglas County Assessor records indicate the home is owned by a Robert H. Anderson.

Omaha Police Officer Jacob Bettin referred to the case as "a homicide investigation." Early on, he said it was unclear if the case was a double homicide or a murder-suicide. Police later went on to say they were not looking for a suspect.

Neighbors told Channel 6 News there was some sort of domestic dispute, though police would not confirm that. Neighbors said the couple who lived in the house had been there for about 30 years.

 

[tapu]

Whoa, Snick, what is it about Omaha, huh? >;-) It seems second to Florida in strange crime goings-on.

This recent incident, at first look, appears probably not related. A regular, self-contained domestic murder-suicide probably. But the proximity is remarkable.

I look forward to what else you find out about it all. This thread has some of the best reasoning and speculation on it on the whole site. --tap

 

[Snick1946]

Link to article in the Omaha World Herald website, updated a hour or so ago:

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10598515

This is starting to sound like a probable murder suicide. Police say they are not searching for anyone. The coincidences here are striking, however. Will update as needed.

BTW: I had a momentary jolt when googling the name of the man, Robert Anderson as there is a professor at Creighton with the same name. Given the age of this person I doubt it's the same.