OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #8

[CharlestonGal]

In the Olten case, the reporters were asked to not report (can't remember why). The reporters respected that.

It could be that whatever they report would hurt him, and reporters would agree and would not want to do that no matter what.

It could be they know who it is and want the person to give up info, like with the Olten case. They might not want to scare the person off.

Hence, not saying it's criminal. Don't worry, it's not that big of a deal. You can tell us because it's not criminal.

So, either it's a minor who did this that would believe that, or some really disturbed person who would buy that.

That's true to a point. The reporters did not report who the perp was because she was 15, but they reported the story. When and where and by whom the victim was last seen, where and with whom she'd spent the evening, what time she left the neighbors house. The police did reserve comment about the identity of the juvenile perpetrator, but they did not say "no comment" to every - or any really - questions the reporters asked about those hours before Elizabeth went missing.

 

[cluciano63]

I'm still not ready to blame the school until a lot of things are cleared up. We don't know for sure anything about when Kyron was actually last seen or with whom, there has been too much conflicting information. I'm totally not buying the story from the kid reported last night, until LE says it is true. Or any of the other alleged sightings, unless LE clarifies and confirms. JMO

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

Gates (or Sgt or both) said they were going to search areas they'd already searched. I would think they'd be using the new people---fresh eyes, ya know.

It is very common in SAR work to re-search areas already searched, as well as to bring in fresh resources and manpower. It is surprisingly easy to miss things the first go around.

 

[Emma Peel]

I would hope they've already had cadaver dogs all over that school & the adjacent grounds last weekend. I really do. RIP Annie Le.

 

[suzet]

*snipped*

It looks to me as though LE is worried about not having searched these areas properly sooner...and it is getting to the almost-too-late stage.

It's with a sinking heart I comment.... since it is getting to the almost too late stage, I wonder if LE/FBI will remove the kid gloves now and let the POI, if there is one, know they pretty much have a good idea what happened and it really is time to cut the pretense and lead them to this poor little boy.

I can understand LE/FBI tiptoeing around a possible POI during the time frame where, if Kyron was intentionally left out in the wilderness to fend for himself (one of my theories), he might actually be found alive, but we are getting down to the wire here as far as survival and I feel like a bold move is going to be made soon on the part of LE as far as extracting info from a possible POI. Just have a feeling.

They are determined to find this little boy. I am comforted by the professional way they are going about the search. I think if it is Intel financing some of the search efforts, (I missed that info if it was provided), they are committed to helping their employee, Kyron's dad, and for that I am sure we are all grateful.

I don't want this to turn into a Haleigh case. This little guy deserves so much more, as she did too. Here's hoping for good news.

 

[Kimster]

I'm way, way behind but is anyone talking about the perp who tried to kidnap an 11 year old recently in the area and who was arrested, I think Tuesday?

Just heard on KUGN AM radio that there is an investigation being done on this guy to see if he could possibly be involved.

http://www.kugn.com/

 

[Jules71]

Someone yesterday (I think) was talking about the railroad tracks and I think mentioned a tunnel. I have attached a picture of the tracks and highlighted them yellow. Could someone walk in this tunnel? Have they searched the tunnel? Anyone know more about the tunnel? Does the train still run through there?

 

[Ms Suzanne]

I would hope they've already had cadaver dogs all over that school & the adjacent grounds last weekend. I really do. RIP Annie Le.

I really hope they had cadaver dogs last weekend and now too.I strongly feel they really should bring them in early in all cases.

 

[TGIRecovered]

I am getting to be more curious about the teacher.

1. The teacher reportedly told the parents that Tyron was not at school when class started, and that she had marked him absent that day.

2. Kyron's seat-mate told police that a substitute teacher who was about to be left with the class, noticed that Kyron was not with the class and pointed this out to the teacher, who told the sub that Kyron must be in the bathroom or getting a drink of water.

HuH?

Why did they need a sub if the teacher was there? Why was the teacher leaving? Was it a last-minute thing...did she leave the school, or did she just leave the classroom to work elsewhere in the building? Did she return to school that day?

Everyone has been asked not to speak to the media, and even this little boy did not speak publicly at first. It was only after the school's story of Kyron being absent was publicized that this boy's family decided to speak out anyway.

 

[PoppyH]

I know right, my sons school has cameras. I recieved an email once from his school with a video pic of a guy in a suit and tie, that had been going around to all the elementary schools, he hit everyone we have asking about something (of course I cant remember now) and was. told he had to go to the main office for the info from every school, anyhow it wasnt good the sheriff was called in trying to track him down and they also showed a pic of his truck, not real sure what happened with that but I remember he was from Wyoming and we are in Colorado

Security cameras in a school setting, daycare etc should be a TOP priority, too many child snatchers/ molesters , out there not too boy Im sure glad I got my 3 girls raised safetly , now I worry about my grandbabies, I would die if anything bad happened, and NUTTIN would keep this gramma from getting out there and pounding pavement to try and find them, I mean nothing, I would be in front of every camera I could beggin to get them back. I couldn't just sit and wait know what I mean?? Kyron where are you, and I don't get just searching around the school and local area, he could be anywhere at this point

 

[pdx]

"Intel funding the search" is a rumor started here as a suggestion; there's nothing to indicate they've funded anything.

I think the reason the funding question may have been raised relative to the search is when these same people (I was going to say 'folks'! ) go up Mt Hood after climbers, there is usually an outcry about why the collective 'we' should pay for the foolishness of some climber. Clearly no one's got the huevos to say that about a search for a 7 y/o boy. Perhaps any comment made about that by the Sheriff's office is to reassure people that this search is funded within their mission. ?

 

[CharlestonGal]

I'm still not ready to blame the school until a lot of things are cleared up. We don't know for sure anything about when Kyron was actually last seen or with whom, there has been too much conflicting information. I'm totally not buying the story from the kid reported last night, until LE says it is true. Or any of the other alleged sightings, unless LE clarifies and confirms. JMO

I'm not ready to blame the school either, or to accuse the teacher of dereliction of duty (or worse). In my mind the possibility that the teacher stared at Kyron's empty seat for hours and didn't bother to check it out, is remote. I believe she did check it out and whatever information she ferreted out was enough to reassure her he was legitimately absent.

The information I believe she had is outside the TOS discussion guidelines, but I do believe she had valid reason to think his absence was OK. Until the sheriff allows the story to be reported properly I'm letting the school off the hook.

 

[Kimster]

I just got back from visiting with my brother and his fiance. His fiance has been listening to KEX in Portland and hearing updates on Kyron's case.

She said that they are stating the FBI is considering making more information in Kyron's case public very soon. It is because of the time that has elapsed since he went missing.

She also stated that the "talking heads" on the radio are saying they believe someone who Kyron knew came to the school and took him after SM left. They think this way because no one heard a commotion when Kyron disappeared.

I haven't looked to see if this station can be heard over the internet yet, but if it can, we might want to listen. She said they discuss the case often.

http://www.1190kex.com/main.html

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

I would hope they've already had cadaver dogs all over that school & the adjacent grounds last weekend. I really do. RIP Annie Le.

I would think they have.

 

[scandi]

I believe if the school had security cameras this would have been solved by now, JMO, you wudda thunk that would be part of the school burgler alarm system JMO

I'm calling them tomoz as I sell CCTV systems for a local Beaverton security co. We have done several schools like in Newberg. I am curious as to what they will say !

 

[Dee10]

1. Why don't kids sit in the front in car? Because they can be decapitated by the air bag if it deploys.

This law was started by a Doctor that I knew because his infant grandchild was decapitated by an air bag with a 5 mile an hour "crash".

2. Although we have no info, we do have info that there was a sub there.

If and only if the regular teacher did say that about no worries about Kyron not there at head count, then there is something huge wrong.

3. In the Somer T case, the Sheriff said that it was felt it was an isolated incident as well and played down the danger to other children.

It turned out not to be true. Probably the perp didn't kidnap anyone else, he did abuse others. And LE at that time had no clue who the perp was. They thought it was someone else.

4. I see no point on the family coming on the media. It would be a cold day in he** before I would grovel to a perp who cares not one whit about what I want.

5. Even if he could survive eating whatever and drinking whatever, the chances are that he would succumb to hypothermia.

6. My daughter, who worked for years with Sex Offenders with the last stint working with the Civilly C omitted ones, says that if an SO wants a child, s/he will take her/him out of your kitchen if you are sitting in your living room.

7. The problem with putting a first, "non-violent" (I feel it's all violent, but I think you know what I mean) SO's in prison forever is that they then have no reason to keep their vics alive.

SO's don't kill the children because they want to kill; they kill them to destroy any evidence.

Give them a nice island like Alcatraz to live on or something. I don't know what the answer is.

Hi human, always enjoy your posts, I somewhat disagree with #4...the Dept. of Justice manual has 2 or 3 pages devoted to the importance of using the media, how to do it, who to call, etc. The way I took it was you put yourself out-there to get tips. In this case, the media is all hot right now even if it perhaps portrays a negatively towards the parents...Kyron's picture is still all over so may this is the reason, to wait if needed? But wouldn't a parent expect each day their child be found? I haven't been able to find a reason where LE do not want you to do this, but I KNOW I HAVE READ there are "rare" circumstances where they don't want the parents out there ~ wish I could find those circumstances! But once again there is another presser the LE say it is the parent's prerogative and not LE's instructions (paraphrasing).

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/publications/fam_surv.pdf

 

[Jules71]

That's true to a point. The reporters did not report who the perp was because she was 15, but they reported the story. When and where and by whom the victim was last seen, where and with whom she'd spent the evening, what time she left the neighbors house. The police did reserve comment about the identity of the juvenile perpetrator, but they did not say "no comment" to every - or any really - questions the reporters asked about those hours before Elizabeth went missing.

Right. They did report when and where and by whom. And remember searchers even searched that area where she was buried and didn't find her initially. It was re-searched iirc.

ETA: Actually AB led them to the site.

 

[suzet]

*snipped*

Interesting. I keep wondering why they are focusing entirely on a two mile radius. If it were an abduction, it seems that would not be the case unless they had reason to believe the perp dumped his body there -- or Kyron did have a cell phone and they got a ping there.

Wow, thanks to liz for the cell phone/2 mile radius info. So if whoever took Kyron had their cell phone with them, and if LE is "on to them," this would help greatly.

Also, if LE is now aware of the activities that day, of a possible POI, it would be easier to pinpoint how much time this person had to get to the second location from the school, get Kyron out of the car, and then travel to the location where, perhaps, someone can verify his/her presence... the home of a friend, a gas station, place of employment, a store, etc.

I really feel like LE/FBI will close in on the guilty party in the very near future. But then again, I thought that about the Haleigh's case too. No, I think these people in Portland are much more on the ball than whoever was running Haleigh's investigation/search efforts, so I will keep the faith for now that they bring little Kyron home to his family.

 

[revampz]

good morning/good night all...

They still havent found him...oh no...poor little fellow....I truly hope he is ok.....If he is still alive he must be so scared.....

I have just caught up again...you've all been busy...

My thoughts today:

First of all there is something major we are not being told....that is very obvious...

Otherwise they would not be saying things like "other kids are not in danger" ie not a sexual predator on the loose....."unique" situation.......to me again means not a stranger/sexual predator abduction...because unfortunately we know this is not unique...

I think that the reason the family got legal reps and are not talking is because they are going to sue the school/education department....

and maybe it is going to cause a bit of a shake up within the education dept/schools security or something like that or maybe by talking too much other parents might be able to sue.......

I think back to Jamie Bulger....I was living in England at the time and it was so awful and unbeleivable.....

Maybe this is something like this......a couple of kids (bullies) lured him into the woods and did something to him....and maybe they are quite young and a few families involved in trying to get these kids to talk...

there would be a huge uproar if a couple of kids were able to just take another boy into the woods during school hours.......the school will be in so much trouble and also the uproar of "what is happening to our kids"....

I do think there is a big pending lawsuit involved here hence the families silence...'

One thing does worry me though.....if kids had taken your child into the woods and maybe harmed them, would you be going to the gym? that behaviour to me makes me think they think he is alive...

or my other theory...well one cant be discussed and the other one is that he took off and hid because he did not want to be in the talent show.....

 

[pinkpuddytat]

1. Why don't kids sit in the front in car? Because they can be decapitated by the air bag if it deploys.

This law was started by a Doctor that I knew because his infant grandchild was decapitated by an air bag with a 5 mile an hour "crash".

O/T, but an important point to spread, IMO: the incidence of fatal "child forgotten in hot car" cases has increased TEN-fold since the "child must be in the back seat" laws started becoming prevalent. An awful lot of children have died unnecessarily, as a result of this plan to protect them from airbags.

Airbag injuries are not usually fatal, much less involve decapitation, and they are a problem for small adults as well as elderly adults with fragile bones. A separate "off" switch for each air bag ought to be required, so that people can make their own decisions about the risk/benefit in any given situation. And child car seats should be designed to take the airbag impact, blocking it from reaching the child, so that parents can keep their child next to them where there's no way to forget they're in the car.